Ishagu Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 As it's a LOW, not only will you need to play a 3k game, but you can't even use it to transport a Primarch. It's kind of a dud. Was hoping it would be a Heavy Support or at least a dedicated transport to a specific unit :-/ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320512-disappointed-with-the-mastadon/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuskRaider Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 That thing is way too big and transports way too much to be a Heavy option. We're lucky the Spartan isn't considered a LoW. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320512-disappointed-with-the-mastadon/#findComment-4339239 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted March 18, 2016 Author Share Posted March 18, 2016 But it simply means it won't be taken. Frankly, the appeal is that it's a safe transport. It's not particularly killy, and it takes up a huge chunk of an army. When the Malcador Infernus Super Heavy tank is a Heavy Support for under 300 points, this looks like a misfire. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320512-disappointed-with-the-mastadon/#findComment-4339241 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olis Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 But it simply means it won't be taken. Frankly, the appeal is that it's a safe transport. It's not particularly killy, and it takes up a huge chunk of an army. When the Malcador Infernus Super Heavy tank is a Heavy Support for under 300 points, this looks like a misfire. Not everyone will see it that way, or even reason it that way if they do decide not to take it. So, instead of this thread being purely about griping, what would you propose would be a good fix to the problem you see? Have you taken steps to address the issue (email FW)? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320512-disappointed-with-the-mastadon/#findComment-4339249 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted March 18, 2016 Author Share Posted March 18, 2016 Emailing forgeworld used to yield results but it's no longer the case. The Mastodon should be a heavy support but one that can only be taken once, or a dedicated transport to a Primarch and his unit that doesn't count towards the 25% LoW limitation. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320512-disappointed-with-the-mastadon/#findComment-4339254 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenith Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 But, I thought 30k wasn't about competitiveness and efficiency, but forging the narrative? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320512-disappointed-with-the-mastadon/#findComment-4339269 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Golem Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 But, I thought 30k wasn't about competitiveness and efficiency, but forging the narrative? This doesn't really help there though because I could easily see Perturabo or someone rocking up in one of these with his Iron Circle or some terminators. That's pretty narrative-y. I can see where Ishagu is coming from, Primarchs should be able to ride around in them really, from a narrative perspective. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320512-disappointed-with-the-mastadon/#findComment-4339276 Share on other sites More sharing options...
heshman Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 Agree Primarchs should be able to use them. However as soon as I saw the points cost of this thing I knew it was likely to be more of a showcase piece than anything that actually gets taken in a list. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320512-disappointed-with-the-mastadon/#findComment-4339284 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenith Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 But, I thought 30k wasn't about competitiveness and efficiency, but forging the narrative? This doesn't really help there though because I could easily see Perturabo or someone rocking up in one of these with his Iron Circle or some terminators. That's pretty narrative-y. I can see where Ishagu is coming from, Primarchs should be able to ride around in them really, from a narrative perspective. From the conversation, I'm assuming it doesn't transport bulky, or is it the two lord of war thing? In that case, how is it narrative-y that Perturabo gets into a transport too small for him? That's like putting him in a rhino. He just doesn't fit. Why would he cramp himself in when he has a much larger, roomier spartan with inbuilt pool table, or the Tormentor? Again, the Mastodon is a siege engine, for the initial assaults on teh ramparts, and expected to be destroyed (hence armoured bulkheads) why on earth would a primarch (bar Angron) ever put themselves in that danger? Even Perturabo doesnt join the initial assault on the walls, leaving it to people like Kroeger. I've read he usually teleports onto the battlements once shields have been brought down, etc. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320512-disappointed-with-the-mastadon/#findComment-4339286 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flint13 Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 Or try out the Onslaught chart instead of the standard? Any army that wants to take a Primarch *and* a Mastadon is going to be completely designed around it anyway. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320512-disappointed-with-the-mastadon/#findComment-4339288 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baluc Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 Flint13 has the right of it. FW has given you the option to field both, you just want everything, Primarch, LoW, and RoW. And, FW at least seems to think that isn't in the best interest of their game, I tend to agree. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320512-disappointed-with-the-mastadon/#findComment-4339305 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 But, I thought 30k wasn't about competitiveness and efficiency, but forging the narrative?This doesn't really help there though because I could easily see Perturabo or someone rocking up in one of these with his Iron Circle or some terminators. That's pretty narrative-y. I can see where Ishagu is coming from, Primarchs should be able to ride around in them really, from a narrative perspective. From the conversation, I'm assuming it doesn't transport bulky? In that case, how is it narrative-y that Perturabo gets into a transport too small for him? That's like putting him in a rhino. He just doesn't fit. Why would he cramp himself in when he has a much larger, roomier spartan with inbuilt pool table, or the Tormentor? And a teleporter. There's also a fact to remember that Mastadons seem to be made for the "expendable" troops. punch through the defenses, dump everyone off, and then just sit tight until everyone's dead and the serfs are picking up everything left behind. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320512-disappointed-with-the-mastadon/#findComment-4339306 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 Mastodon rules look awesome. You grt a freight train to carry your deathstar plus dread envoy into the heard of the enemy. That also covers the skies. Plus melta and it can overwatch. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320512-disappointed-with-the-mastadon/#findComment-4339324 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuskRaider Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 Unless you take the new Primarch RoW. In any case, I still see great value with it. I'd love to roll this sucker around flanked by my Spartans and have it filled with more Terminators or Despoilers. The model is awesome and the interior detail is amazing. That alone makes it a great buy. Should Primarchs be able to hitch a ride in one? Yes. Let's hope this gets remedied, because if they're going to truck about in anything, this would be it. The fact that it's a mobile bunker and if destroyed becomes an ACTUAL bunker is cool as well. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320512-disappointed-with-the-mastadon/#findComment-4339328 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flint13 Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 Plus a build-a-bunker when it dies! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320512-disappointed-with-the-mastadon/#findComment-4339329 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frater Cornelius Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 Unless you take the new Primarch RoW. In any case, I still see great value with it. I'd love to roll this sucker around flanked by my Spartans and have it filled with more Terminators or Despoilers. The model is awesome and the interior detail is amazing. That alone makes it a great buy. Should Primarchs be able to hitch a ride in one? Yes. Let's hope this gets remedied, because if they're going to truck about in anything, this would be it. The fact that it's a mobile bunker and if destroyed becomes an ACTUAL bunker is cool as well. The new Primarch RoW prohibits the use of further LoW. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320512-disappointed-with-the-mastadon/#findComment-4339332 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Golem Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 But, I thought 30k wasn't about competitiveness and efficiency, but forging the narrative? This doesn't really help there though because I could easily see Perturabo or someone rocking up in one of these with his Iron Circle or some terminators. That's pretty narrative-y. I can see where Ishagu is coming from, Primarchs should be able to ride around in them really, from a narrative perspective. From the conversation, I'm assuming it doesn't transport bulky, or is it the two lord of war thing? In that case, how is it narrative-y that Perturabo gets into a transport too small for him? That's like putting him in a rhino. He just doesn't fit. Why would he cramp himself in when he has a much larger, roomier spartan with inbuilt pool table, or the Tormentor? Again, the Mastodon is a siege engine, for the initial assaults on teh ramparts, and expected to be destroyed (hence armoured bulkheads) why on earth would a primarch (bar Angron) ever put themselves in that danger? Even Perturabo doesnt join the initial assault on the walls, leaving it to people like Kroeger. I've read he usually teleports onto the battlements once shields have been brought down, etc. It's nothing to do with bulky, the Mastodon is huge. It's a 2 lords of war thing yeah. And Perturabo was just an example. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320512-disappointed-with-the-mastadon/#findComment-4339337 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beaky Brigade Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 · Hidden by Flint13, March 18, 2016 - No reason given Hidden by Flint13, March 18, 2016 - No reason given Doesn't Perturabo have his personal shadowsword as a fluffy transport anyway? ok it's already been said! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320512-disappointed-with-the-mastadon/#findComment-4339339
Runefyre Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 · Hidden by Flint13, March 18, 2016 - No reason given Hidden by Flint13, March 18, 2016 - No reason given Doesn't Perturabo have his personal shadowsword as a fluffy transport anyway? yep Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320512-disappointed-with-the-mastadon/#findComment-4339340
Fire Golem Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 · Hidden by Flint13, March 18, 2016 - No reason given Hidden by Flint13, March 18, 2016 - No reason given Oh my god, he was just an example. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320512-disappointed-with-the-mastadon/#findComment-4339344
Rayray Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 If a game is big enough to warrant the use of the mastadon and a primarch, why not use multiple 30k cads? You're pretty much dedicating an evening as it stands anyway. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320512-disappointed-with-the-mastadon/#findComment-4339354 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Golem Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 Yeah, I hadn't thought about the Leviathan detachment so that solves any issues for me (not that I'll have a big enough army or whatever for probably a few years yet). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320512-disappointed-with-the-mastadon/#findComment-4339359 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted March 18, 2016 Author Share Posted March 18, 2016 The Leviathan doesn't solve anything as it shoehorns you into a SH fest list. the Mastadon should be a dedicated transport for any Primarch. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320512-disappointed-with-the-mastadon/#findComment-4339373 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuskRaider Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 Unless you take the new Primarch RoW. In any case, I still see great value with it. I'd love to roll this sucker around flanked by my Spartans and have it filled with more Terminators or Despoilers. The model is awesome and the interior detail is amazing. That alone makes it a great buy. Should Primarchs be able to hitch a ride in one? Yes. Let's hope this gets remedied, because if they're going to truck about in anything, this would be it. The fact that it's a mobile bunker and if destroyed becomes an ACTUAL bunker is cool as well. The new Primarch RoW prohibits the use of further LoW. Ahh yes, good point. I had forgotten that. I think a Mastodon as a Dedicated Transport for a Primarch is a bit too much. A lot too much, actually. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320512-disappointed-with-the-mastadon/#findComment-4339377 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 The Leviathan doesn't solve anything as it shoehorns you into a SH fest list. the Mastadon should be a dedicated transport for any Primarch. As was said earlier: Onslaught FoC. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320512-disappointed-with-the-mastadon/#findComment-4339390 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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