Atia Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 There is a FOC where you can take up to three LoW choices. Why shouldn't you be able to use the Mastodon alongside a Primarch and a Typhon with that?? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320512-disappointed-with-the-mastadon/page/2/#findComment-4339393 Share on other sites More sharing options...
helterskelter Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 Why is this even a thing? Have you seen the size of the thing in the pictures? Those are sicaran tracks in the front. The front. Not even talking about its backside. And then the capacity. It definitely not should reside in the heavy slot. Don't want power gamers spoiling our fun now do we. Everything can't be how you want it all the time, find a way to make it work. It looks like a beautiful kit, and should be used to deliver chainfisting contemptors and shield wielding bodies into the heart of the enemy. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320512-disappointed-with-the-mastadon/page/2/#findComment-4339402 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 Why is this even a thing? Have you seen the size of the thing in the pictures? Those are sicaran tracks in the front. The front. Not even talking about its backside. And then the capacity. It definitely not should reside in the heavy slot. Don't want power gamers spoiling our fun now do we. Everything can't be how you want it all the time, find a way to make it work. It looks like a beautiful kit, and should be used to deliver chainfisting contemptors and shield wielding bodies into the heart of the enemy. Yeah, I mean the thing is designed to transport the bulk of your army, as many models as possible to the frontlines. Not be a chariot for one model and whatever unit happens to be its bodyguard. Besides, we have yet to see Primarchs roll like that. It's always either them by themselves, or a handful of bodyguards. Something that can be used to transport forty tacticals or twenty terminators would be wasted on six models or so just so you can use the void shields on their already pretty survivable stats. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320512-disappointed-with-the-mastadon/page/2/#findComment-4339407 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Memento Of Prospero Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 My gaming group solved that issue with this simple ammendment: Primarch Count towards your LoW points restriction and points requirements, but are taken as HQ. So in small games you still pick inbetween a Primarch or a super heavy and in large games you can have both. Mastodon as a heavy support would be a terrible game balance mistake. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320512-disappointed-with-the-mastadon/page/2/#findComment-4339410 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElectricPaladin Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 Don't forget that when the rules for Horus Heresy Apocalypse comes out, we'll probably see either FOCs that allow multiple LoWs, rules that throw the FOC out entirely, or special RoWs. I'm completely fine with saying that in a "normal" Horus Heresy game, you've got to chose between running your primarch plus super cool unit in a spartan (or storm eagle) and running your super cool unit without your primarch in a mastadon. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320512-disappointed-with-the-mastadon/page/2/#findComment-4339435 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frater Cornelius Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 Maybe it is time for a 'Primarch slot', which is independent from the LoW slot. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320512-disappointed-with-the-mastadon/page/2/#findComment-4339451 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 Not really. If you really want Primarch + LoW the Onslaught FoC with its Compulsory 1 HQ, 1 Troop and 1 Heavy Support with its optional 2 LoW slots fulfills those needs sufficiently. If you want a RoW on top of all that, talk to your gaming buddies but theres a Game Design reason as to why thats not allowed. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320512-disappointed-with-the-mastadon/page/2/#findComment-4339458 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronin_cse Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 As has already been suggested: I don't see why one can't take multiple detachments if they want everything? Also already mentioned this thing is freaking huge, it's obviously designed for huge games. I don't see people complaining that their Reaver titan won't fit in a smaller game, why is this thing held to different standards? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320512-disappointed-with-the-mastadon/page/2/#findComment-4339490 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrotherGecko Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 I thought Pert had his own dedicated transport? Isn't it a Shadowsword. Dorn has his own also. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320512-disappointed-with-the-mastadon/page/2/#findComment-4339508 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Golem Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 Multiple detachments aren't a thing in 30k (I don't think..?), the OP wasn't a case of it not fitting in smaller games, it was it not fitting in any games with other things they wanted to take it with, regardless of size of game. I think. I thought Pert had his own dedicated transport? Isn't it a Shadowsword. Dorn has his own also. I mentioned perturabo as an example of a Primarch I could see using a mastodon, that's all. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320512-disappointed-with-the-mastadon/page/2/#findComment-4339510 Share on other sites More sharing options...
God-Potato of Mankind Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 I think it would be ok as a heavy support is restricted. Like how you can only have one Knight of the Atropos pattern per 2k points or some such. One Mastodon per 3k points. It's hardly spammable at the points cost. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320512-disappointed-with-the-mastadon/page/2/#findComment-4339512 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuskRaider Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 You get multiple LoWS as the points increase. If it's that big of a deal, play larger games. Go big or go home. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320512-disappointed-with-the-mastadon/page/2/#findComment-4339558 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted March 18, 2016 Author Share Posted March 18, 2016 Go big or go home isn't a solution to anything. In huge games the art of list building or theme is lost, heck, I can have everything on the table. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320512-disappointed-with-the-mastadon/page/2/#findComment-4339573 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flint13 Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 ^So if "use Onslaught to take the Primarch and the Mastadon" isn't the answer you're looking for, what else would you like to see out of this thread? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320512-disappointed-with-the-mastadon/page/2/#findComment-4339575 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 Because remember, Mastodon + Primarch is 1080 points at minimum (with Fulgrim). At the points level youd be taking this Combo, you'd need a fair bit of list to help off set the sheer Chunk of Points these Two models are taking up. And if you still want a RoW on top of all this, let me posit the Following: Ferrus Head of the Gorgon Mastodon You now have a Mastodon with IWND and Blessed Autosimulacra free who is being repaired by Ferrus on a 2+ with Battlesmith; essentially regenerating up to 3 Hull-points per turn if you're so lucky. If it wasnt an Unkillable Deathtaxi before, it sure as hell with if this sort of combo is allowed. Oh and all this can Outflank because of HOTG if I'm not mistaken. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320512-disappointed-with-the-mastadon/page/2/#findComment-4339579 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuskRaider Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 Go big or go home isn't a solution to anything. In huge games the art of list building or theme is lost, heck, I can have everything on the table. If you can't field a theme at high points, your collection is discombobulated. Points don't matter first a theme... in fact, they make it easier. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320512-disappointed-with-the-mastadon/page/2/#findComment-4339594 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spinsanity Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 Go big or go home isn't a solution to anything. In huge games the art of list building or theme is lost, heck, I can have everything on the table. Care to at least elaborate a bit as to what you're looking for? As stated, the Mastodon + Primarch comes up to a minimum of 1k points; at which point level would you be looking to field them together and what kind of army would you want to build the pair around? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320512-disappointed-with-the-mastadon/page/2/#findComment-4339612 Share on other sites More sharing options...
depthcharge12 Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 You get multiple LoWS as the points increase. If it's that big of a deal, play larger games. Go big or go home. Only dirty peasants play below 10,000 points and without a full Titan maniple :P Honestly, in friendly groups, I wouldn't object to a Mastodon and primarch in 3500 point games or more. They'd honestly be a third of your points at that level. My rule is: "If you've got it, bring it." Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320512-disappointed-with-the-mastadon/page/2/#findComment-4339614 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olis Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 You get multiple LoWS as the points increase. If it's that big of a deal, play larger games. Go big or go home. Only dirty peasants play below 10,000 points and without a full Titan maniple Scrub-lord, reporting in. o7 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320512-disappointed-with-the-mastadon/page/2/#findComment-4339619 Share on other sites More sharing options...
depthcharge12 Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 You get multiple LoWS as the points increase. If it's that big of a deal, play larger games. Go big or go home.Only dirty peasants play below 10,000 points and without a full Titan maniple Scrub-lord, reporting in. o7 *rich snob voice* How déclassé :P Titan battles over your legions ducking it out is really fun. Athrawes did this all super heavy apocalypse thing and his Warlord went nuclear taking out a bunch of other friendly super heavies. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320512-disappointed-with-the-mastadon/page/2/#findComment-4339628 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MakoBoy88 Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 In my narrative events we are running, we plan on running 1 Bonus Big game every event. Where you take a 3k list (so still using your normal LoW slots) + Primarch. That way everyone can have the spectacle, and it's fair because everyone can do it. If you don't have a Primarch bring a Knight or something. You're not going to use a Mastodon and your King Lad in every game anyway. So just wrote a scenario for when you do, make it work, and go and do it. Jobs a good'un Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320512-disappointed-with-the-mastadon/page/2/#findComment-4339630 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuskRaider Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 · Hidden by Flint13, March 18, 2016 - anta Hidden by Flint13, March 18, 2016 - anta You play a game that starts at 2500 points. Don't whine about points. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320512-disappointed-with-the-mastadon/page/2/#findComment-4339641
Raktra Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 Because remember, Mastodon + Primarch is 1080 points at minimum (with Fulgrim). At the points level youd be taking this Combo, you'd need a fair bit of list to help off set the sheer Chunk of Points these Two models are taking up. And if you still want a RoW on top of all this, let me posit the Following: Ferrus Head of the Gorgon Mastodon You now have a Mastodon with IWND and Blessed Autosimulacra free who is being repaired by Ferrus on a 2+ with Battlesmith; essentially regenerating up to 3 Hull-points per turn if you're so lucky. If it wasnt an Unkillable Deathtaxi before, it sure as hell with if this sort of combo is allowed. Oh and all this can Outflank because of HOTG if I'm not mistaken. Take it from experience that even a Spartan with that setup is obnoxious enough, never mind this bastard. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320512-disappointed-with-the-mastadon/page/2/#findComment-4339643 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronin_cse Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 Multiple detachments aren't a thing in 30k (I don't think..?), the OP wasn't a case of it not fitting in smaller games, it was it not fitting in any games with other things they wanted to take it with, regardless of size of game. I think. I thought Pert had his own dedicated transport? Isn't it a Shadowsword. Dorn has his own also. I mentioned perturabo as an example of a Primarch I could see using a mastodon, that's all. But 30k is an expansion to the 40k 7th edition rules, unless I missed something that says multiple detachments aren't allowed (obviously very possible) why wouldn't it be possible? Edit: yup I missed something, nvm this post ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320512-disappointed-with-the-mastadon/page/2/#findComment-4339764 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Blackwood Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 See people get mad when you have 6+ termis and a character in a Spartan they cry all the eggs in one basketThis thing is 700 points , eats a LoW slot and while it has an impressive ability to carry a lot of the army it still requires force saturation to wherever it is just by means of being a transport. Not to mention its a gigantic block of resin so its gonna cost an arm and a leg I think it is disappointing , at least from my own list building perspective It looks absolutely sick and Id love to paint one but I can never see myself fielding it just due to the fact that for that point value I can take almost two knights From an Imperial Fists perspective if yer gonna go that ham on a transport wouldnt you rather the Thunderhawk ? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320512-disappointed-with-the-mastadon/page/2/#findComment-4339813 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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