depthcharge12 Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 I honestly think it's worth taking just to shove contemptors or contemptor-Cortus' into to get them across the board for a turn two assault. I think it's easy to forget the reserve manipulation it gets as well. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320512-disappointed-with-the-mastadon/page/3/#findComment-4339838 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flint13 Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 See people get mad when you have 6+ termis and a character in a Spartan they cry all the eggs in one basket This thing is 700 points , eats a LoW slot and while it has an impressive ability to carry a lot of the army it still requires force saturation to wherever it is just by means of being a transport. Not to mention its a gigantic block of resin so its gonna cost an arm and a leg I think it is disappointing , at least from my own list building perspective It looks absolutely sick and Id love to paint one but I can never see myself fielding it just due to the fact that for that point value I can take almost two knights From an Imperial Fists perspective if yer gonna go that ham on a transport wouldnt you rather the Thunderhawk ? I mean, if my opponent wants to come to the table with a single massive unit that costs as much as three vanquishers and a tank ace before you put stuff in it... my Solar Aux aren't going to complain. I for one, am absolutely not disappointed with the Mastadon. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320512-disappointed-with-the-mastadon/page/3/#findComment-4339846 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronin_cse Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 See people get mad when you have 6+ termis and a character in a Spartan they cry all the eggs in one basket This thing is 700 points , eats a LoW slot and while it has an impressive ability to carry a lot of the army it still requires force saturation to wherever it is just by means of being a transport. Not to mention its a gigantic block of resin so its gonna cost an arm and a leg I think it is disappointing , at least from my own list building perspective It looks absolutely sick and Id love to paint one but I can never see myself fielding it just due to the fact that for that point value I can take almost two knights From an Imperial Fists perspective if yer gonna go that ham on a transport wouldnt you rather the Thunderhawk ? Disregarding my mistake with the detachments: this is basically my point. It's on the same level as a Warhound so why should it be held to different standards? I don't see complaints that one can't take a primarch and a warhound in smaller games so why should this be different? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320512-disappointed-with-the-mastadon/page/3/#findComment-4339853 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuskRaider Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 DR's Normal Army: 4 x Spartans filled with Cataphractii Terminators and a Phobos w/ Praetor and Deathshroud or Command Squad. Come at me, bro. Literally, do it... you'll probably outnumber me AT LEAST ten to one. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320512-disappointed-with-the-mastadon/page/3/#findComment-4339879 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Blackwood Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 See people get mad when you have 6+ termis and a character in a Spartan they cry all the eggs in one basket This thing is 700 points , eats a LoW slot and while it has an impressive ability to carry a lot of the army it still requires force saturation to wherever it is just by means of being a transport. Not to mention its a gigantic block of resin so its gonna cost an arm and a leg I think it is disappointing , at least from my own list building perspective It looks absolutely sick and Id love to paint one but I can never see myself fielding it just due to the fact that for that point value I can take almost two knights From an Imperial Fists perspective if yer gonna go that ham on a transport wouldnt you rather the Thunderhawk ? I mean, if my opponent wants to come to the table with a single massive unit that costs as much as three vanquishers and a tank ace before you put stuff in it... my Solar Aux aren't going to complain. I for one, am absolutely not disappointed with the Mastadon. But flint isint that a reason why a legion player should be disappointed in it? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320512-disappointed-with-the-mastadon/page/3/#findComment-4339902 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olis Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 But flint isint that a reason why a legion player should be disappointed in it? That's kinda the point being made. Flint is saying that... but not directly. :wink: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320512-disappointed-with-the-mastadon/page/3/#findComment-4339905 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Blackwood Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 Heretic mind tricks ! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320512-disappointed-with-the-mastadon/page/3/#findComment-4339911 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flint13 Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 *SNIP* But flint isint that a reason why a legion player should be disappointed in it? http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/640x480q90/921/MXaKG8.jpg Couldn't tell you. I'm just saying I'm certainly not disappointed in it. The heresy is more than just legion lists, man :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320512-disappointed-with-the-mastadon/page/3/#findComment-4339916 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronin_cse Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 See people get mad when you have 6+ termis and a character in a Spartan they cry all the eggs in one basket This thing is 700 points , eats a LoW slot and while it has an impressive ability to carry a lot of the army it still requires force saturation to wherever it is just by means of being a transport. Not to mention its a gigantic block of resin so its gonna cost an arm and a leg I think it is disappointing , at least from my own list building perspective It looks absolutely sick and Id love to paint one but I can never see myself fielding it just due to the fact that for that point value I can take almost two knights From an Imperial Fists perspective if yer gonna go that ham on a transport wouldnt you rather the Thunderhawk ? I mean, if my opponent wants to come to the table with a single massive unit that costs as much as three vanquishers and a tank ace before you put stuff in it... my Solar Aux aren't going to complain. I for one, am absolutely not disappointed with the Mastadon. But flint isint that a reason why a legion player should be disappointed in it? I dunno, isn't that kind of saying that any high point model is disappointing? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320512-disappointed-with-the-mastadon/page/3/#findComment-4339941 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 So for those arguing background reasons. How many times do we see a Primarch sharing a ride with anyone other than his personal bodyguards? If you find the answer to that question, then you will know why there is no fluff justification for a mass transport to be used on a Primarch and his body guards. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320512-disappointed-with-the-mastadon/page/3/#findComment-4339954 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuskRaider Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 What about when Mortarion rode with Garro to the Vengeful Spirit? OOOOOOOOOH Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320512-disappointed-with-the-mastadon/page/3/#findComment-4339965 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 What about when Mortarion rode with Garro to the Vengeful Spirit? OOOOOOOOOH Mortarion had a battle on the Vengeful Spirit with Nathaniel Garro! Where was this?!?!?!?! Or are you missing the context on purpose just to be cheeky? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320512-disappointed-with-the-mastadon/page/3/#findComment-4339966 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuskRaider Posted March 19, 2016 Share Posted March 19, 2016 I'm a cheeky monkey Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320512-disappointed-with-the-mastadon/page/3/#findComment-4340004 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted March 19, 2016 Share Posted March 19, 2016 I wonder how much it'll cost. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320512-disappointed-with-the-mastadon/page/3/#findComment-4340005 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted March 19, 2016 Share Posted March 19, 2016 Expect 200+ Pounds. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320512-disappointed-with-the-mastadon/page/3/#findComment-4340019 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted March 19, 2016 Share Posted March 19, 2016 I am hoping to pick one up at Adepticon. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320512-disappointed-with-the-mastadon/page/3/#findComment-4340022 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Memento Of Prospero Posted March 19, 2016 Share Posted March 19, 2016 I have to say, I will eventually have one, because it's the epytome of an Iron Hands Head of the Gorgon RoW I shall outflank it and call it Steve. Yes...Yes... most devious! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320512-disappointed-with-the-mastadon/page/3/#findComment-4340079 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted March 19, 2016 Share Posted March 19, 2016 I have to say, I will eventually have one, because it's the epytome of an Iron Hands Head of the Gorgon RoW I shall outflank it and call it Steve. Yes...Yes... most devious! *gasp* :O! You devious villain! If it really came down to it, I'd go for a Stormbird or Aetos Dios... ...Probably a Stormbird if I had the choice. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320512-disappointed-with-the-mastadon/page/3/#findComment-4340081 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Memento Of Prospero Posted March 19, 2016 Share Posted March 19, 2016 We can do a rediculously ineffective super heavy building competition and film it for the Frather. Over here we have Wolf_Pack who dropped superglue on his fingers for the 3rd time this morning, cursing the weakness of the flesh and ripping them appart from their devilish bond. Never a hobbyist as shed so much of his own blood in 15 minutes. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320512-disappointed-with-the-mastadon/page/3/#findComment-4340082 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted March 19, 2016 Share Posted March 19, 2016 Units like the Mastodon always get a bad rap. First everyone figures out how to kill them, writes them off, and then in a few months/a year someone will come up with a decent use for them. I've been crawling through tactica and rules threads, and its a consistent trend. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320512-disappointed-with-the-mastadon/page/3/#findComment-4340118 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Blackwood Posted March 19, 2016 Share Posted March 19, 2016 Units like the Mastodon always get a bad rap. First everyone figures out how to kill them, writes them off, and then in a few months/a year someone will come up with a decent use for them. I've been crawling through tactica and rules threads, and its a consistent trend. examples? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320512-disappointed-with-the-mastadon/page/3/#findComment-4340134 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuskRaider Posted March 19, 2016 Share Posted March 19, 2016 There's a counter for pretty much everything. If there wasn't, the game would suck. That being said, a lot of times people tailor their lists just to bring down one specific unit (Grav Rapiers vs Spartans). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320512-disappointed-with-the-mastadon/page/3/#findComment-4340167 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted March 19, 2016 Author Share Posted March 19, 2016 The fact that you can't field a Mastodon and a Primarch at anything below 4500 points is where my disappointment lies. The Onslaught detachment doesn't solve anything, like I said. If the tank could at least be taken as a,dedicated Transport to a Primarch it would work. Heck, limit it to a 3000 point game. I'm not interested in Apocalypse sized battles, they're too time consuming and cumbersome. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320512-disappointed-with-the-mastadon/page/3/#findComment-4340244 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flint13 Posted March 19, 2016 Share Posted March 19, 2016 So what I'm getting is that unless someone says "Hey, I found this secret rule everyone missed. You can take a Mastadon as a dedicated transport for a Primarch" you aren't going to be content. The Onslaught detachment doesn't solve anything, like I said. Please explain. B/c it allows you to do literally the exact thing you said you wanted to. Primarch + add'l LoW slot for Mastadon. **EDIT**Yep, went back through the thread just to make sure. You never mentioned the Onslaught detachment, just the Leviathan. And that giant games lose the "art of list building or theme." Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320512-disappointed-with-the-mastadon/page/3/#findComment-4340246 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Blackwood Posted March 19, 2016 Share Posted March 19, 2016 And even if yah do put a primarch in it its a next 700 points added on for something thats not terribly killy , say you stick a primarch and some termis in there and then you have a colossal point sink and it aint even like its a Hyper Murderous Pointsink like The Tormentor ( pertarino ) or the Aetos Dios ( Dornadiddly ) which are scary vehicles in their own right its just .. ... meh I just cant really see it being a useful investment of money or points other than sayingyo look at this expensive resin brick I have! Looks fly as hell dont it homie? Indeed you gonna field it ? Nah son , you know how many points that thing costs ? Meanwhile you got hesh over here with his evil villian mustache cackling like a mad man going ALL THE GRAV WEAPONS MWUHAHAHAH Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320512-disappointed-with-the-mastadon/page/3/#findComment-4340247 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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