GhostMalone Posted March 26, 2016 Author Share Posted March 26, 2016 ^^^^best reference ever, but guys let's stay on track etl chat or naught Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320553-etl-v-motivation-and-preparation-aod-unite/page/10/#findComment-4346403 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabadin Posted March 26, 2016 Share Posted March 26, 2016 X z z z c c z x z c z v Wait! I can translate! v v x c z b c x? x x z z c c v x z. X c v z! My good sir, you're lucky the mods can't translate that, i think that just made a sailor blush. On a related note planning on my pledge being Na Na Na Na Na Na Na Space Batman Night Haunter Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320553-etl-v-motivation-and-preparation-aod-unite/page/10/#findComment-4346404 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daemon2027 Posted March 26, 2016 Share Posted March 26, 2016 I'm going to a paint one model. Maybe a Primarch. Or maybe not. I'll probably fail as per usual. I'm full of confidence. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320553-etl-v-motivation-and-preparation-aod-unite/page/10/#findComment-4346643 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kriegsmacht Posted March 26, 2016 Share Posted March 26, 2016 If you attention during the whole ETL is one Primarch then I can't wait to see the finished product. :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320553-etl-v-motivation-and-preparation-aod-unite/page/10/#findComment-4346647 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daemon2027 Posted March 26, 2016 Share Posted March 26, 2016 I wouldn't get your hopes up, I have shelf of half painted models. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320553-etl-v-motivation-and-preparation-aod-unite/page/10/#findComment-4346652 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shard of Magnus Posted March 26, 2016 Share Posted March 26, 2016 @The Hydra: How can your forum frater help? Is there a common reason that leads to you stopping with it half painted? We're here for you! I know the struggle with finishing models and have also lived with it for decades. A desire to paint to perfection matching the vision in my head, inability to stay focused on one army project, GW dropping specialist games, and sometimes realization that 'oh lord, I don't want to paint another 2k points of this' have all contributed. The B&C painting competions have helped immensely, although I still don't have a fully painted army. I'm personally planning on using the ETL to jump start me on the path to a field ablle painted 30k force. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320553-etl-v-motivation-and-preparation-aod-unite/page/10/#findComment-4346774 Share on other sites More sharing options...
KBA Posted March 26, 2016 Share Posted March 26, 2016 I've been one of those bums that can churn out conversions easily but painting is like pulling teeth. I didn't want to settle for anything less than a really good paint job because I felt anything less would be letting the hard work I put into modelling down, and it turned out I didn't have the skill to get there. The answer? Put in the work to get better! Practice is the only way to improve. Soak up knowledge on techniques -- we live in the age of YouTube, free lessons on anything have never been more available in the history of society. This board also, is an amazingly good resource for having questions answered. If you get all that down, and you still have some troubles painting, you might find time to be the thorn in your side. I've heard batch painting helps cut down time, but at this point I think sinking work into constructing a flux capacitor might be more realistic for me. Any one have helpful tips for time management with painting? :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320553-etl-v-motivation-and-preparation-aod-unite/page/10/#findComment-4346830 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted March 26, 2016 Share Posted March 26, 2016 I've been one of those bums that can churn out conversions easily but painting is like pulling teeth. I didn't want to settle for anything less than a really good paint job because I felt anything less would be letting the hard work I put into modelling down, and it turned out I didn't have the skill to get there. The answer? Put in the work to get better! Practice is the only way to improve. Soak up knowledge on techniques -- we live in the age of YouTube, free lessons on anything have never been more available in the history of society. This board also, is an amazingly good resource for having questions answered. If you get all that down, and you still have some troubles painting, you might find time to be the thorn in your side. I've heard batch painting helps cut down time, but at this point I think sinking work into constructing a flux capacitor might be more realistic for me. Any one have helpful tips for time management with painting? :) Set a timer on your phones for an hour or so. Do that everyday and don't paint anymore after the time is up. Eventually you'll want to keep going, which gives you motivation to continue work the next day. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320553-etl-v-motivation-and-preparation-aod-unite/page/10/#findComment-4346835 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThatOneMarshal Posted March 26, 2016 Share Posted March 26, 2016 I have this problem where I can think big and plan up all of these conversions and then when it actually gets to working with the guys I get the cold shoulder. It might be that I have a fear of working with forgeworld resin since I've never worked with it before. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320553-etl-v-motivation-and-preparation-aod-unite/page/10/#findComment-4346879 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daemon2027 Posted March 26, 2016 Share Posted March 26, 2016 Paintings not so much of a problem with me, I enjoy it, but I've never been and I never will be, a batch painter. I like taking my time over individual models, and if i don't like what's happening then the chances are I'll get annoyed and do something else. Things end up half finished for me because halfway through painting I decide to build or paint something else. Edit: That One Marshel, I love working with resin, in fact I hate working with anything else now. I've done a few conversions with plastic for other stuff and really hate using it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320553-etl-v-motivation-and-preparation-aod-unite/page/10/#findComment-4346923 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother-Chaplain Kage Posted March 26, 2016 Share Posted March 26, 2016 I barely slid under the deadline last year and have a long history of blowing deadlines. Not to mention, I have to find a new place to live very soon and may have even less time to procrastinate and not get anything done. Besides, I've got an order of Mechanicum stuff on the way, which sadly, does not fall under AOD. Personally, I think 30k Mechanicum SHOULD be AOD while 40k Mechanicus should be IFOR. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320553-etl-v-motivation-and-preparation-aod-unite/page/10/#findComment-4347000 Share on other sites More sharing options...
KBA Posted March 26, 2016 Share Posted March 26, 2016 30k Mechanicum isn't for this forum? That's wild. Anything but here and it would seem out of place. What about Solar Auxilia and Questoris Knights? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320553-etl-v-motivation-and-preparation-aod-unite/page/10/#findComment-4347037 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daemon2027 Posted March 26, 2016 Share Posted March 26, 2016 I thought the 30k Mechanicum was AOD or has it been changed? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320553-etl-v-motivation-and-preparation-aod-unite/page/10/#findComment-4347039 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olis Posted March 26, 2016 Share Posted March 26, 2016 Besides, I've got an order of Mechanicum stuff on the way, which sadly, does not fall under AOD. Personally, I think 30k Mechanicum SHOULD be AOD while 40k Mechanicus should be IFOR. What with the Mechanicum's Red Book, I'm inclined to believe you should be able to get it into the AoD... Y'know what? I'll double check. I have a convo with Semper going already. Edit - Semper's Verdict: Well, the HH Faction has access to all the lists of all the FW books, including the Mechanicum, Solar Auxilia etc. As such people can pledge Mechanicum units (from the HH books) for the HH faction - no problem. Also, and this is an irregularity that persists mostly due to tradition, the AdMech Forum of the IFOR Faction has access to all the Skitarii, Cult Mechanicus and any and all Mechanicum units from Forge World, even the HH ones! That was the case before, that's is going to be the case now. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320553-etl-v-motivation-and-preparation-aod-unite/page/10/#findComment-4347040 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostMalone Posted March 26, 2016 Author Share Posted March 26, 2016 Good morning my brothers it's good too see the conversarions progressing! So I thought I'd drop some wisdom on the art of batch painting; Kurama Style! Now what I do when I'm in the zone is a balance of magic and wonder, first I make sure I have no distractions for a certain amount of time let's just say an hour, I then turn my phone off put on some music (depending on what I'm painting depends what I listen too) I then progress through the painting with a beer in hand managing my progress with the whole squad or unit never progressing further than the stage the squads on. I then once my mind begins to wonder abort any further attempts at painting till I get the urge again. I then place the models somewhere central in the house but off to the side where I will constantly see them which causes me to want to finish them Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320553-etl-v-motivation-and-preparation-aod-unite/page/10/#findComment-4347081 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother-Chaplain Kage Posted March 27, 2016 Share Posted March 27, 2016 Looking back at the thread from last year's ETL, it seemed a bit fuzzy. There's this: 6. Faction: Imperial Forces (IFOR) Forum: Adepta Sororitas Defining Codex: Adepta Sororitas Forum: Adeptus Mechanicus Defining Codices: Skitarii, Cult Mechanicus Forum: Astra Militarum Defining Codices: Astra Militarum, Militarum Tempestus Forum: Grey Knights Defining Codex: Grey Knights Forums: Inquisition & Agents of the Imperium Defining Codex: Inquisition Especially for Adeptus Mechanicum: Any Mechanicum entry from Forgeworld (Horus Heresy or otherwise) And this: 7. Faction: Horus Heresy (HH) Forums: Age of Darkness Defining Codex: Every army list in every Horus Heresy book produced by Forge World In part 6, it specifies Mechanicum is IFOR, and in part 7 it every army list for the HH by FW, but does not call out Machanicum. But, if we're going with stompy bots in the AOD this year, I might try to do a small pledge. If I can find a new place relatively quickly, I'd like to really focus on getting a lot of models done. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320553-etl-v-motivation-and-preparation-aod-unite/page/10/#findComment-4347157 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olis Posted March 27, 2016 Share Posted March 27, 2016 *snip* I believe that there is supposed to be a little bit of an overlap intended by Semper so that there is at least a touch of flexibility for the smaller AdMech subforum. Someone can choose between the AdMech or the AoD for who to pledge. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320553-etl-v-motivation-and-preparation-aod-unite/page/10/#findComment-4347159 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother-Chaplain Kage Posted March 27, 2016 Share Posted March 27, 2016 Yeah, that makes sense, being able to pledge 30k for either AoD or IFOR. That didn't occur to me, which is a good sign of how tired I am. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320553-etl-v-motivation-and-preparation-aod-unite/page/10/#findComment-4347168 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Semper Posted March 27, 2016 Share Posted March 27, 2016 Well, if there is any consolation, I'm re-working the wording there. It made sense when I wrote it up last year, but upon reflection it can use some better wording. :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320553-etl-v-motivation-and-preparation-aod-unite/page/10/#findComment-4347285 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother-Chaplain Kage Posted March 27, 2016 Share Posted March 27, 2016 No worries, Semp. I didn't pay attention to it last year, but now that I've got some bots on the way, I was looking back and I was on a long work shift with little sleep. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320553-etl-v-motivation-and-preparation-aod-unite/page/10/#findComment-4347289 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balthamal Posted March 27, 2016 Share Posted March 27, 2016 Far be it for me to say how things should be run by our esteemed Frater, but given there's a clear distinction between the Mechanicus Codex and the Tagmata Omnissiah list, hardly appropriate to have them under the same umbrella Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320553-etl-v-motivation-and-preparation-aod-unite/page/10/#findComment-4347575 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atia Posted March 27, 2016 Share Posted March 27, 2016 Far be it for me to say how things should be run by our esteemed Frater, but given there's a clear distinction between the Mechanicus Codex and the Tagmata Omnissiah list, hardly appropriate to have them under the same umbrella Where is that distinction again, other than that FW didn't released 30k rules for the plastic stuff (yet)? Trust me, they are intended to be used together ... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320553-etl-v-motivation-and-preparation-aod-unite/page/10/#findComment-4347611 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted March 27, 2016 Share Posted March 27, 2016 Far be it for me to say how things should be run by our esteemed Frater, but given there's a clear distinction between the Mechanicus Codex and the Tagmata Omnissiah list, hardly appropriate to have them under the same umbrella Where is that distinction again, other than that FW didn't released 30k rules for the plastic stuff (yet)? Trust me, they are intended to be used together ... While they may be intended to use together, jumping the shark about using them together may be premature. For instance skitarii are priced for 40k which is generally higher priced than 30k games. Wouldn't it be unfair for me to plop down a 30 model 2k list of Mechanicus and have it go towards AoD? Since this isn't the last ETL maybe they should wait for FW to integrate the list instead of running with our own that might give the AoD an unfair advantage. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320553-etl-v-motivation-and-preparation-aod-unite/page/10/#findComment-4347651 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Semper Posted March 27, 2016 Share Posted March 27, 2016 For ETL purposes, the HH faction can only use existing FW lists. These include apart from the Legions, any Mechanicum units that may be included (not only Tagmata) as well as Solar Auxilia or Renegades or whatever. They cannot use 40k Codices. On the other hand, AdMech forum of the IFOR faction can use any Mechanicum unit from GW and FW including HH. This is admittedly an irregularity and has to do with the fact that the AdMech forum was for years the only place to discuss anything Mechanicum accross all eras/settings. It still is that place although now one can discuss 30k Mechanicum in the AoD forum as well. So tradition prevails.... Frankly, in real terms, this is not so much a problem as with the "Relic" rule a great deal of 30k stuff can now be used by 40k armies anyway. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320553-etl-v-motivation-and-preparation-aod-unite/page/10/#findComment-4347678 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted March 27, 2016 Share Posted March 27, 2016 For ETL purposes, the HH faction can only use existing FW lists. These include apart from the Legions, any Mechanicum units that may be included (not only Tagmata) as well as Solar Auxilia or Renegades or whatever. They cannot use 40k Codices. On the other hand, AdMech forum of the IFOR faction can use any Mechanicum unit from GW and FW including HH. This is admittedly an irregularity and has to do with the fact that the AdMech forum was for years the only place to discuss anything Mechanicum accross all eras/settings. It still is that place although now one can discuss 30k Mechanicum in the AoD forum as well. So tradition prevails.... Frankly, in real terms, this is not so much a problem as with the "Relic" rule a great deal of 30k stuff can now be used by 40k armies anyway. That's what I get for not using my brain :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320553-etl-v-motivation-and-preparation-aod-unite/page/10/#findComment-4347695 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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