Frater Cornelius Posted March 19, 2016 Share Posted March 19, 2016 While this is not really a topic I like to go public with, I really am stuck. I want to participate in Brotherhood of the Angels and pave the beginning for my 30k project as well as prepare for ETL. However, I have encountered a minor problem along the way. I have no bloody clue what to name my army Oo Here is a quick sketch (nothing final) of how they came to be. They see themselves as the true 3rd as the traitors have forfeited this right when they turned. Seeing how corrupted took over so many, they turned away from the idea of worldy perfection and turned to pursue spiritual perfection instead. Absolution comes from within. There is also another massive plot point and the entire focal point to this army, which I will not disclose just yet. It won't have much influence on the naming though. I keep circling around the same few things. Usually positive words like Phoenix, Sun, Dawn and so forth (you get the idea), but I can't put my finger a good name that fits their style as loyalist EC but created a reference to their origin through an undertone as opposed to a painfully obvious name (Exquisite Host, a Chaos Warband suspected to be related to EC, is a good example of connecting to their origin through an undertone as opposed to a plain reference). Anyway, I hope you guys can help me so I can finally contribute some of my own work to this board :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320575-the-all-important-issue-of-names/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olis Posted March 19, 2016 Share Posted March 19, 2016 If you're looking for names of a group who views their parent Legion as wayward then I suggest using words like "True" or "New". Maybe calling them the "True Sons" might be a little bit cheesy, but I think you get my point. However, this is just one point of view. Maybe they are ashamed of their brethren, and would rather disassociate themselves. Maybe they would want to echo a time before Fulgrim and call themselves, obviously, the "Third Legion". There's a few ways you could approach the problem of the name. The state of mind of those in your force would be key to this. I appreciate that you've said that they want a more spiritual take on the perfection ideal. Perhaps something a little more abstract like "The Gallant" or "The Valiant" might be more to your taste. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320575-the-all-important-issue-of-names/#findComment-4340729 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frater Cornelius Posted March 19, 2016 Author Share Posted March 19, 2016 Their name will always stay 'Third Legion/Emperor's Children' as it was given to them when they were whole, but they can not really go around during and post Scouring spreading that name for unwanted attention. It seems fitting that they adopted a 'nickname' after Istvaan that stuck with them and got entered into the records as such when the second founding took place. Names like Forlorn Sons or Orphans of the 3rd Legion crossed my mind as well, but they sound more like titles that would follow after their name. As for their relation. This is an interesting part which it revolves around and how this whole idea came into being. True and New are a bit wrong for they so not really want to disassociate themselves. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320575-the-all-important-issue-of-names/#findComment-4340742 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calas Typhon Posted March 19, 2016 Share Posted March 19, 2016 How about something along the lines of Defensores Aquila? Which could mean something like Defenders of the Aquila which would reference their pride in their faith in the Imperium and stubborn support in the Emperor. And utter refusal to spit on their Oaths. Or their quite literal defense of the Palatine Aquila. If all else fails, run with dodgy Latin! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320575-the-all-important-issue-of-names/#findComment-4340778 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ion Posted March 19, 2016 Share Posted March 19, 2016 Or you could give them a name that they had picked up during the Crusade, a lot of groups got informal names which stuck to go alongside their numerical designation. Base it off one of their great victories or perhaps something they're particularly known for (tactics, attitude, heck even their captain's personal heraldry). I made an EC company as a fun little thought activity and decided they used Palatine Blades a lot, so they became the 'Blades of Morning' Hope that helps Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320575-the-all-important-issue-of-names/#findComment-4340803 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThatOneMarshal Posted March 20, 2016 Share Posted March 20, 2016 Orphans of Perfection? Kinda shows how their legion "died" due to it seeking perfection. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320575-the-all-important-issue-of-names/#findComment-4340932 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelborn Posted March 20, 2016 Share Posted March 20, 2016 In my revised version of my Storm Riders chapter their name derives from the White Scars habtit of naming their brotherhoods like Brotherhood of the moon. The brotherhood of the Storm Riders were the chapter which was specialized in boarding actions, rapid deployments and naval combat. Maybe you could derive their name from their way of fighting. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320575-the-all-important-issue-of-names/#findComment-4340945 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frater Cornelius Posted March 20, 2016 Author Share Posted March 20, 2016 Awesome ideas. Thanks. I will need to think about it and let it sink. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320575-the-all-important-issue-of-names/#findComment-4340972 Share on other sites More sharing options...
binary Posted March 20, 2016 Share Posted March 20, 2016 Another idea would be to name them based on what their view is of the betrayal their brothers committed. My own 156th company of the glorious 3rd call themselves the silent choir, "After all.....Who speaks for the betrayed, the murdered, the discarded and those who have no voice of their own? Who calls out for vengence and for justice? No-one.....until now. We will be their voice. We will be their fury. We will stand for those who cannot. And to our former brothers? We will only bring the perfection of death." Glad someone else has joined us in the true third legion. Ave Imperator! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320575-the-all-important-issue-of-names/#findComment-4341046 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frater Cornelius Posted March 20, 2016 Author Share Posted March 20, 2016 It is an interesting topic to explore. Perfection is a slippery topic and can send you down the wrong path before you know it. I found it very satisfying to explore this avenue. By the way, Silent Choir sounds awesome. Very poetic. An idea actually came to mind regarding their Battle Cry. An homage to Fulgrim's speech: We are the Children of the Emperor and we will not fail him. As for the name. Seeing how I want to keep the Emperor's Children as the primary name, I like the idea that it was the Chapter's name from before the Heresy that got adapted during the Heresy and the Scouring and sort of got stuck with them. It can be something really simple like Blades or Dawn, Knights of Caledor, Phoenix Blades or any combination of the prior one. I liked that idea, because then their original name and the secondary one are not mutually exclusive and both can be dated back to th glory days. Yeah, let's go with that. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320575-the-all-important-issue-of-names/#findComment-4341052 Share on other sites More sharing options...
binary Posted March 20, 2016 Share Posted March 20, 2016 It is an interesting topic to explore. Perfection is a slippery topic and can send you down the wrong path before you know it. I found it very satisfying to explore this avenue. By the way, Silent Choir sounds awesome. Very poetic. An idea actually came to mind regarding their Battle Cry. An homage to Fulgrim's speech: We are the Children of the Emperor and we will not fail him. As for the name. Seeing how I want to keep the Emperor's Children as the primary name, I like the idea that it was the Chapter's name from before the Heresy that got adapted during the Heresy and the Scouring and sort of got stuck with them. It can be something really simple like Blades or Dawn, Knights of Caledor, Phoenix Blades or any combination of the prior one. I liked that idea, because then their original name and the secondary one are not mutually exclusive and both can be dated back to th glory days. Yeah, let's go with that. I quite like that idea. Although instead of chapter name, have it be the name of a "society" that your praetor was part of founding. Kind of "xx company Emperors Children, the Blades of Dawn" (as you can probably tell this is my favourite choice, has tones of rebirth, redemption and revenge) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320575-the-all-important-issue-of-names/#findComment-4341060 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frater Cornelius Posted March 20, 2016 Author Share Posted March 20, 2016 Yeah, something along those lines. Though I do not really want to limit myself to a certain Company. Maybe the head honcho was a Praetor, but between the emergency interception before Istvaan and picking up stragglers they all sort of banded together to a.. well, you could call brotherhood, which made the transition into being a Chapter during the second Founding. I think that a flow like that makes more sense given how I have written my story than to limit the development to any set Company/Demi-Chapter/Chapter. I mean, we are talking about several thousand (2-4). The math certainly supports that. So yeah, we are talking about a name that said brotherhood adapted as the secondary name to 'Emperor's Children'. Alright! Things are moving forward :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320575-the-all-important-issue-of-names/#findComment-4341064 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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