GreyCrow Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 Indomitus is basically worthless in 30k. Cant Sweep, 5++ invuln for the same cost as Tartaros or Cataphractii. No thanks. That's what I figured ;) But thanks for updating me, it gives much food for thought ! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320653-best-generic-terminators/page/2/#findComment-4348466 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amon777 Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 Off topic but they could create some differentiation by removing relentless from Tartaros which would give players the choice of: Tartaros: run, overwatch, and sweeping advance Indomitus: relentless, overwatch Cataphractii: Pseudo S&P, 4+ invul That would at least give use to all three patterns. But I digress.... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320653-best-generic-terminators/page/2/#findComment-4348488 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 Off topic but they could create some differentiation by removing relentless from Tartaros which would give players the choice of: Tartaros: run, overwatch, and sweeping advance Indomitus: relentless, overwatch Cataphractii: Pseudo S&P, 4+ invul That would at least give use to all three patterns. But I digress.... I agree that would be quite cool, but it's unlikely. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320653-best-generic-terminators/page/2/#findComment-4348561 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreyCrow Posted March 29, 2016 Share Posted March 29, 2016 Speaking if generic Terminators, has anyone tried a list with almost exclusively Tactical Marines and Terminators ? As in something like 60 Tacticals and 20 Terminators around 2k points (with various DT and DS capabilities) ? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320653-best-generic-terminators/page/2/#findComment-4348954 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted March 29, 2016 Share Posted March 29, 2016 Nope... I run mostly mechanised. I did however face such a list. There's a pic of the battle in one of my showcase topics. It was led by Angron. I was victorious against it, but I was actually running 40k Marines as I didn't want to use a Heresy army with some unpainted models. One unit that has won me over in the last few weeks are the Fulmentarus Terminators. When running them, you have to go big or go home - a full unit of 10 with Missiles! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320653-best-generic-terminators/page/2/#findComment-4348977 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted March 29, 2016 Share Posted March 29, 2016 I just straight up dont bother with generic tac marines at all so I cant comment. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320653-best-generic-terminators/page/2/#findComment-4349003 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted March 29, 2016 Share Posted March 29, 2016 I just straight up dont bother with generic tac marines at all so I cant comment. I run two squads in Rhinos. They can be decent enough late game. I like the Sniper Vets, but the points add up so fast... World Eater tac marines who exchange their Bolters for CC weapons make a pretty nasty assault unit on the charge thanks to Rage. Agron was surrounded by 20 of the little guys and an apothecary in the last game I played. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320653-best-generic-terminators/page/2/#findComment-4349016 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted March 29, 2016 Share Posted March 29, 2016 I ain't saying they aint good/useful. I'm saying that in my army/collection, they serve literally no purpose / have no interest in being taken. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320653-best-generic-terminators/page/2/#findComment-4349052 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreyCrow Posted March 29, 2016 Share Posted March 29, 2016 Well, so far I'm experimenting with very Roman tactics for the Legions, meaning that the "line" troops are mainly there to take a beating waiting for a decisive action by "cavalry" elements (basically anything else except Elites). I had a very fun test game at 1000 points with 30 Tacticals, a cheap consul and a squadron of 3 Executionners that were reserved and came on Turn 3 all guns blazing and basically wrenched the game back. So, I'm wondering whether something similar can be done with Terminators as well :p Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320653-best-generic-terminators/page/2/#findComment-4349271 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuskRaider Posted March 29, 2016 Share Posted March 29, 2016 Speaking if generic Terminators, has anyone tried a list with almost exclusively Tactical Marines and Terminators ? As in something like 60 Tacticals and 20 Terminators around 2k points (with various DT and DS capabilities) ? I have. My main list is exclusively Terminators, but I have a lot of Tacticals I can use to mix it up sometimes. The key is to put the Terminators in a vehicle and have the Tactical Squads slog it. Apothecaries for the Tactical Marines is a must, and I run full squads so even if they bear the brunt of an enemy attack chances are they're not all dead. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320653-best-generic-terminators/page/2/#findComment-4349476 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreyCrow Posted May 12, 2016 Share Posted May 12, 2016 Hey guys ! So, how would you describe the general role of Cataphractii Terminators when compared to Tartaros? Due to the 4++, they really feel comfortable in the open or in melee with other Terminators in a mutually assured destruction scenario, while I feel Tartaros/Gorgon rely on transports a lot more to get the assault they want and come out on top, then sweep. I just have no clue about what to do with the Cataphractii Terminators from the B@C box, hehe. It seems it's either footslog or deepstrike ? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320653-best-generic-terminators/page/2/#findComment-4392730 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terminus Posted May 13, 2016 Share Posted May 13, 2016 5-man units with combi-weapons and a mix of fists and chainfists (250 with 2 chainfists and power dagger for me). Deep strike, unload special weapons, hope the 2+/4++ keeps at least the chainfist guys alive, then go smashing armour. With the nerf to melta bomb melee use, chainfists are more valuable than ever. For melee, you do need a transport, but as of Book 3, any Legion terminator unit can buy a Dreadclaw. I hesitate to dedicate regular legion terminators to melee when almost every Legion has some more potent specialist melee unit or you could take a command squad with a praetor for some more serious threat. Sweep/Run vs. 4++ is a tough call, but sweep can be invaluable if you face a lot of large tactical/breacher blobs or certain Militia or Auxilia units. Imperial Fists and Salamanders can get all the benefits without any of the drawbacks due to their shields, the IMO overpriced Phoenix Guard live and die by it. There is also the whole Slow&Purposeful issue with Rites of War, which may or may not limit your options. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320653-best-generic-terminators/page/2/#findComment-4392771 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Blackwood Posted May 13, 2016 Share Posted May 13, 2016 Speaking purely from an Imperial Fists player's personal experience and keeping in mind I have been playing mostly ZM latelyso my results are skewed to tight corridors and close quarters. Tartoros with TH / SS have routinely outperformed the Cataphractii terminators for me here. Mostly due to the ability to sweep to keep them from getting bogged down as hard.Outside of chainfists being a bit nicer vs armor it has been my experience that the 3++ with a character in the squad can just be extremely solid even without the ranged threat which can be mitigated by stuff like a librarian also in Tartoros armor with a stormshield running with the unit. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320653-best-generic-terminators/page/2/#findComment-4392918 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreyCrow Posted May 13, 2016 Share Posted May 13, 2016 @Terminus : Logical analysis. I definitely agree that the Cata are more efficient to Deep Strike due to the better Invulnerable. For some reason I have the feeling that they're best employed in tactics where attrition is key, or more defensively when they can't pick their targets, in large squads of 10. @Bladewolf : Indeed, Terminators perform a lot better with the ability to isolate their targets :D Good feedback about Tartaros with TH/SS ! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320653-best-generic-terminators/page/2/#findComment-4392981 Share on other sites More sharing options...
God-Potato of Mankind Posted May 13, 2016 Share Posted May 13, 2016 I will (hopefully) shortly be utilising two 5 man Cataphractii teams as World Eaters in Dreadclaws. I will report back. I am running mixed melee & combi-plas to brutally alpha strike something. I am hopeful the close drop will negate their slowness, combined with added FNP from Crimson Path, allowing for an above average charge due to the Legion rules. I may even try a third tactical squad to further buff the charge. Addittionally, I have a tragic amount of Salamander Tartaros terminators, would it ever be worth fielding them? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320653-best-generic-terminators/page/2/#findComment-4393036 Share on other sites More sharing options...
LtDan Posted May 13, 2016 Share Posted May 13, 2016 @terminus. What nerf to melta bombs? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320653-best-generic-terminators/page/2/#findComment-4393168 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted May 13, 2016 Share Posted May 13, 2016 @terminus. What nerf to melta bombs? Check the 40k FAQ on Grenades. In short, we can apparently only ever use 1 per combat phase. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320653-best-generic-terminators/page/2/#findComment-4393179 Share on other sites More sharing options...
God-Potato of Mankind Posted May 13, 2016 Share Posted May 13, 2016 @terminus. What nerf to melta bombs? So squad-wide melta bombs just become super points inefficient. You're paying through the nose to get "insurance" so if your melta-bomb carrying guy dies you suddenly can't use them. I just give them to my officers now. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320653-best-generic-terminators/page/2/#findComment-4393236 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted May 13, 2016 Share Posted May 13, 2016 I wonder if FW will address the issue in regards to Melta Bombs in particular... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320653-best-generic-terminators/page/2/#findComment-4393314 Share on other sites More sharing options...
LtDan Posted May 13, 2016 Share Posted May 13, 2016 O never heard that. So just one guy per squad Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320653-best-generic-terminators/page/2/#findComment-4393342 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted May 16, 2016 Share Posted May 16, 2016 I think SoH have a real shot at the title for best generic terminators. Death dealers makes them Damn efficient and if you're going through chaff with swords/mauls, merciless fighters will pay off. Then again, for a bit more it's probably just better to grab Justaerian in most cases. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320653-best-generic-terminators/page/2/#findComment-4395858 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimm Posted May 18, 2016 Share Posted May 18, 2016 @terminus. What nerf to melta bombs? Check the 40k FAQ on Grenades. In short, we can apparently only ever use 1 per combat phase. Isn't that only a draft faq, if so it doesn't really stand up yet unless all players agree to use it. No doubt it will be a reality come 7.5 or 8 in a few months though Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320653-best-generic-terminators/page/2/#findComment-4398076 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terminus Posted May 18, 2016 Share Posted May 18, 2016 It's a draft FAQ for clarity of responses, not for the rulings themselves. It would be pretty obnoxious to try to argue it's not a valid document. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320653-best-generic-terminators/page/2/#findComment-4398111 Share on other sites More sharing options...
defl0 Posted May 19, 2016 Share Posted May 19, 2016 As for Raven Guard. I like tartos with with combi weapons and power axes. makes them S6 on the charge which is really good with rad grenades. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320653-best-generic-terminators/page/2/#findComment-4399152 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted May 19, 2016 Share Posted May 19, 2016 Raven Guard Termies with Dual Talons could do some work, Cataphractii if you're going for Resilience over Sweeping. For Combat Termies, its still hard to beat the 3++ of IF Termies especially since they can get T5 with Stone Gauntlet. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320653-best-generic-terminators/page/2/#findComment-4399154 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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