Deredeo Dread Vs Mortis Dread

[Da Once & Future Git]

So, Ive been thinking about the Deredeo Dreadnought that seems to be all the rage these days and yes it does seem very nice, it is worth the price?

 

For example,

A kitted Deredeo with Autocannon battery, Missile launchers and Armoured ceremite knocks you back 240pts

 

whereas a Mortis Dreadnought with 2 twin linked Lascannons costs 150pts, a 90 point saving... (That's a Javelin with T-L Cyclone missile  launcher and 2 hunter-killers with 5pts to spare)

 

Am I crazy to go with the Mortis?  I like the Deredeo, but it's hard enough to find points as it is as...  If I stick the Mortis in cover, he gets a save as well to compensate for the Deredeo's shield.

 

The role is for tank hunting & AA

 

A penny for your thoughts?

[Charlo]

Well, they both bring different things to the table!

 

Both are similarly armoured so the defence is the same but thier weapons are what make them:

 

Mortis w/ Lascannons

• Highly Accurate
• basically guaranteed a pen against most flyers
• ap2 for getting an explodes result
• only two shots with a chance of whiffing even after accurate shots (rerollable 2+ to hit but 3+ to glace)
• Hunter Killer missiles to ensure death of a bird
• Elites Choice!
• Secondary weapon systems useless if engaging flyers (havoc launcher)
• Really only two shots

Deredeo

• Engages two targets at once on the ground, but remember your missiles will be snap shooting at the ground if you shoot a bird with autocannons
• Will glance any flyer to death in one salvo with sunder
• Seen as a high priority target
• Will reliably strip hull points from even av 14 over the game
• Won't be getting explodes results
• More of an anchored gun platform
• Uses up a heavy support...
• Bonus: IW can sit Siege Tyrants next to it with the shield upgrade for 3++ Cataphracti firebase.

Now that's a little messy but I think it sums up each nicely.

[Caillum]

The Mortis has the same Atomantic shielding, so they're both as survivable as each other. But the Deredeo simply has the best anti-air damage output. 4 twin-linked S8 Sunder shots is usually better than 2 twin-linked S9 shots. Add in the Aiolos missiles and it'll do a great job.

 

Problem is that it sits in the Heavy Support slot, so some armies will struggle to get it into their list. Other armies need their Elite slots more though, so depends on the list.

[God-Potato of Mankind]

The Deredeo is an excellent gun platform.

 

The Mortis is very limited in AA due to the 45 degree angle. The Mortis is also only going to be useful versus armour and sniping IC/TEQ.

 

A Deredeo with AC can engage multiple targets. A Deredeo with AC and Aiolos can engage even more targets. It will mince infantry, power armour and light vehicles and can glance heavier tanks as the ACs have sunder. It can blast a rhino open while showering another squad with S6 AP3 missiles.  A Deredeo with a Hellfire Carronade can mulch TEQ and dissuade deep strikers. A Deredeo with AC will shred most flyers too.

 

Basically you're investing points for versatility and flexible heavy firepower. Worth it every time imo. A Mortis dread has a limited field of fire for AA and limited role in what it can target.

 

They're both excellent choices though, just depends on what you want. I have heavy anti-vehicle firepower elsewhere in my army, so I like the flexible firepower of a Deredeo. If you want heavy AV (Ie AV14) a Deredeo is not the best.

[Da Once & Future Git]

Thanks for the replies, I like the idea of adding the 2 Hunter killers to the box dread too to ensure birdie pew-pew!  So that's 170pts...

 

Why does the Deredeo have 360 LoS and the other have 45 LoS?

 

@ Caillum: I was thinking the stock standard box Mortis Dread, not the Contemptor.  Really going budget!  So it doesn't have Atomantic shielding.

[Caillum]

^ Yeah, realised this after I posted.

 

The Deredeo has 360 on the Aiolos missile launcher, but that's it.

[Lord Asvaldir]

It's really sunder that is the deal breaker for me, no weapon the mortis can take can really match the derdeo's anti tank power with the autocannon and missiles. Maybe double keres comes close, but I'd rather have the rerolls so I can reliably hurt high value armor targets. Plus the missiles are just awesome, ignoring line of sight means you can hit small objective sitters hiding half way across the board and take them out within a few turns.  

 

Really I think the only reason I'd take a mortis over a deredeo is needing that heavy support slot for something else. HS is a crowded slot, even more so when running rites like terror assault, so often I want something else. In that case I'd settle for a poor man's deredeo, like a mortis with dual keres. 

[ROBOcaster]

I like the Deredo its reliable at stripping hull points. I would rather have something I know is going to remove 2-3 Hull points every turn than hope for a lucky explode result. That said, the Idea of a cheap AA Castraferrum Dread is a good one and gives me an idea.

[Sanct]

OP is suggesting the base AV-12 mortis not the contemptor - which I love because it is relatively cheap (155 until the next red book) and is small enough to hide behind most things (raiders!)

 

BUT

The deredos autocannon is so much more reliable at AV work.  They really shouldn't have give it that extra point of strength and sunder because as a result noone buys the plasma option.

Even when you overspend for it the deredos outperforms the other platforms.

[Ishagu]

Deredeo is practically an auto include.

 

It's a super effective and self sufficient Anti Tank/Anti Air platform. Remember the Ailos missiles don't need line of sight and always hit side armour of tanks.

 

You can destroy Vindis and Predators by striking the side, not to mention killing Marines reliably. 4 Strength 8 Sunder shots are far, far more effective than 2 Str 9 shots, even with the ap difference. Also, it's av13 against the regular Dread's av 12, and with a 5++