PeteySödes Posted March 29, 2016 Share Posted March 29, 2016 Hey Brothers, question for you. Other Chapters I've seen have a squad Sgt. with a differentiating marking and it stands to reason in my mind that WGPLs are even more deserving of the distinction. I know WG in the fluff tend to have their personal iconography in yellow and black at least somewhere along with the pack and Company markings. What I was toying with was just using a yellow field with the black pack marking instead of red and black for my Grey Hunter PL. Rough color test with some almost completed Hunters: What do you guys tend to do here? I love the idea of this but i'm worried that the overall visual coherency will be affected. Leave it red? Go with Yellow? Am I totally in my own head here? Undoubtably.... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320901-pack-leader-markings/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dantay VI Posted March 29, 2016 Share Posted March 29, 2016 Keep the yellow. Looks really good and love the head. Which set did you get it from, or did you sculpt the beard? My reasoning would be thus, the Wolf Guard Battle Leader has split his pak up amongst the others to ensure that his orders are followed to the letter. After all he trusts his own packmates implicitly. Maybe give all the pack leaders the same pack mark, so if you wanted you could also run them together in a game? Pt the mark of the pack they are leading on knees legs or backbanner. This would help tie them in visually & keep them distinctive. If you ran all the Wolf Guard together, then these markings could be passed off as their personal mark, and the black/yellow the mark of their pack/Leader. Do I see another using the dwarf axes... om the model in the background? PS excellent freehand on the grey hunters Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320901-pack-leader-markings/#findComment-4349055 Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeteySödes Posted March 29, 2016 Author Share Posted March 29, 2016 Thanks Dantay! His head is the terminator buzzed mohawk one but shaved down and the beard is indeed sculpted. That pack has the dwarf axes too, good eye! Thanks for the input though! I have that guy modeled in terminator armor too, the mixed armor is what drew me to Wolves way back when after all so I'd like to keep his pack marking as a mirror and using the personal mark on a knee. I don't mind separately modeling a proper wolf guard squad later if needed. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320901-pack-leader-markings/#findComment-4349062 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammer grimblood Posted March 29, 2016 Share Posted March 29, 2016 The new books, Great Company Painting Guide, Champions of Fenris, Curse of the Wulfen and even, I think, the Codex all have Wolf Guard painted as packs with each mbr having a unique marking. I see no reason why you can't give each Wolf Guard his own personal mark and still field them together. I find that it makes them that much more unique compared to other Marine forces. I find too easily that the Wolf Guard I paint to lead my packs get a bit more bronze or other detail on their armor and pack marking and they're now just another Grey Hunter except he has a Thunder Hammer or Combi weapon. I'll never field him with other Wolf Guard though, his pack marking matches one of the Grey Hunter packs and ruins any weird sense of immersion I have! So I'll either take him with the Hunters or leave him in the case and go without. At that point though I'm treating my Wolf Guard, the veterans of the Company and Chapter like any other Marine Sgt. Go with the yellow and if he has a kneepad that is sufficient, see about trying the Grey Hunter pack marking on it to refernce he is the pack leader. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320901-pack-leader-markings/#findComment-4349114 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemini Posted March 29, 2016 Share Posted March 29, 2016 Well if I could do freehand as beautifully as you are able my strategy would be different... I spent a lot of time collecting the old shoulder pads with the raised wolf skull and crossbones. I use that shoulder to designate the wolf guard. Personally I LOVE where you're going with the Pack Mark on a yellow field and unique marking on the knee. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320901-pack-leader-markings/#findComment-4349214 Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeteySödes Posted March 29, 2016 Author Share Posted March 29, 2016 Thanks for the input guys! I'll play with it and see what i come up with. I really should just make a blog but i have a horrendous track record on that front. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320901-pack-leader-markings/#findComment-4349265 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frostblade Posted March 29, 2016 Share Posted March 29, 2016 All of my Wolf Guard get a black pad with a yellow rune-ish looking mark on it. The pack leaders get one of the banner tops from our box or the terminators box on their backpack to further distinguish them. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320901-pack-leader-markings/#findComment-4349429 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gk_fury Posted March 29, 2016 Share Posted March 29, 2016 Leave the shoulder pad yellow but paint his markings in the same red colour as the rest of the squad to tie them together, then perhaps a transfer over that if you're not too confident with your freehand? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320901-pack-leader-markings/#findComment-4349470 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Growler67 Posted March 31, 2016 Share Posted March 31, 2016 Perhaps outlining the shoulder pauldrons with bronze or gold to set them apart, keeping the rest of the colors matching the remainder of the pack/squad. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320901-pack-leader-markings/#findComment-4350604 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graymane Posted April 1, 2016 Share Posted April 1, 2016 have you considered leaving a very fine yellow line between the black and red sections? Perhaps outlining the shoulder pauldrons with bronze or gold to set them apart, keeping the rest of the colors matching the remainder of the pack/squad. this also works. :) Cheers, Graymane Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320901-pack-leader-markings/#findComment-4352021 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanPesci Posted April 1, 2016 Share Posted April 1, 2016 For me, my grey hunters have red shoulder pads on both, with light grey/blue (ulthuan?) on the trim/pauldrons, whereas my wolf guard (and pack leaders) have one pad where thats reversed out (ie lightgrey pad, red trim/pauldron) Think it helps them to stand out whilst still looking coherent. My long fangs then instead have a bone coloured pad replacing the reversed out one. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320901-pack-leader-markings/#findComment-4352055 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vykryl Posted April 1, 2016 Share Posted April 1, 2016 My pack leaders mostly have bare heads, more to give them a little extra personality than anything. Each pack is a unit with a purpose and pulling the pack leaders to form a WG pack would make a muck of my Hunter packs. The WG pack would be full of random equipment and most likely lack synergy. Edit: pack leaders just need to stand out from the pack. You can invert the pack markings colors. Make the pack markings the same, just use their ranks color scheme. Give the pack leader a different right pauldron, the one with the pelt maybe. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320901-pack-leader-markings/#findComment-4352079 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rune_Priest_Rhapsody Posted April 1, 2016 Share Posted April 1, 2016 Carrying over from 5th edition, I still like to mark my Pack Leaders as Wolf Guard. So yellow and black jags. Either on the knee or the pauldron. And a bare head is also a go to for me for, as Vykryl mentioned, it gives the model uniqueness and functions as another way to individualize the character. End of Line Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320901-pack-leader-markings/#findComment-4352121 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valerian Posted April 1, 2016 Share Posted April 1, 2016 My Pack Leaders get the yellow pauldron with black rune, since they're all still Wolf Guard in the fluff, they just are built into a list differently than they used to be. They also get 40mm bases, as I've done with all of my character models. Here is an example: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320901-pack-leader-markings/#findComment-4352191 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Ragnarok Posted April 3, 2016 Share Posted April 3, 2016 My Pack leaders have marking irrespective of the pack they lead. But either is plausible fluff wise. There is always a way to show solidarity with their unique or original iconography or the pack marking depending on which way you choose. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320901-pack-leader-markings/#findComment-4353407 Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeteySödes Posted April 4, 2016 Author Share Posted April 4, 2016 Thanks for all the input! I love that the answer is everyone handles it differently, thats why the wolves are the best IMO, so much character. I'll get some pics tonight because i think he'll be wrapped up but I went with the same pack marking with a yellow field as well as some personal runes over yellow on the knee. He has enough red on him in other places to keep it tied together too so thus far he fits really well with the pack while really popping. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320901-pack-leader-markings/#findComment-4354118 Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeteySödes Posted April 5, 2016 Author Share Posted April 5, 2016 Ok so this is what I ended up with: Aside from my varnish mishap that dulled a ton of the color I think it looks good. They still look like a single squad which was priority one, with two being that Bror (WGPL) looked unique and beastly. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320901-pack-leader-markings/#findComment-4355405 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dantay VI Posted April 5, 2016 Share Posted April 5, 2016 The skin tone on Bror, is gorgeous... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320901-pack-leader-markings/#findComment-4355481 Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeteySödes Posted April 5, 2016 Author Share Posted April 5, 2016 Thanks! It wasn't too bad actually. Rakarth Flesh > Reikland Flesh glaze (no pooling) > Rakarth highlight > 50/50 Rakarth/ Pallid witch. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320901-pack-leader-markings/#findComment-4355496 Share on other sites More sharing options...
alakinsky Posted April 5, 2016 Share Posted April 5, 2016 That thunderhammer is gorgeous! My jaw literally dropped open when I noticed it. Excellent work! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320901-pack-leader-markings/#findComment-4355690 Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeteySödes Posted April 5, 2016 Author Share Posted April 5, 2016 That thunderhammer is gorgeous! My jaw literally dropped open when I noticed it. Excellent work! Thanks! I'm happy with the overall effect, tried to get an inner glow or alternate color cooling steel type thing. I used lamian medium to make a glaze out of some Vallejo Electric blue but, woof, it was not what I wanted... I'll thin it out with water or something else next time to try to get it a bit smoother. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320901-pack-leader-markings/#findComment-4355697 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valerian Posted April 6, 2016 Share Posted April 6, 2016 Can you take a side shot that shows the pack markings better? Hard to see what you did at that angle. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320901-pack-leader-markings/#findComment-4356182 Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeteySödes Posted April 6, 2016 Author Share Posted April 6, 2016 For sure, I guess I was to focussed on the overall look/pack coherency. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320901-pack-leader-markings/#findComment-4356599 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valerian Posted April 6, 2016 Share Posted April 6, 2016 Looks great! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320901-pack-leader-markings/#findComment-4356768 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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