2000 point White Scars Chogorian Brotherhood

[Hummous]

Hi guys, this is my first crack at a fluffy but crunchy White scars List, what do you think?

 

Edited top post with the final list

Thanks to everyone, who helped me with working on it!


+ HQ +

Legion Praetor

[Artificer Armour, Digital Lasers, Iron Halo, Legion Scimitar Jetbike with Heavy Bolter, Melta Bombs, Paragon Blade, Thunder Hammer]

 

Legion Command Squad

[3x Combat Shield, Legion Scimitar Jetbikes with Heavy Bolters, 2x Legion Space Marine Chosen, Legion Standard Bearer, Melta Bombs, 3x Power Weapon]

Legion Centurion

[Legion Scimitar Jetbike with Heavy Bolter, Power Armour, Power Glaive, Psychic Mastery Level 2, Refractor Field]
····Consul [Librarian]

Legion Centurion

[Legion Scimitar Jetbike with Heavy Bolter, Melta Bombs, Power Armour, Power Glaive, Refractor Field]
····Consul [Primus Medicae]
 

 

+ Troops +

Legion Jetbike Sky Hunter Squadron

Melta Bombs, 3x Space Marine Sky Hunters, 1x Volkite Culverin]
····Sky Hunter Sergeant 

 

Legion Jetbike Sky Hunter Squadron

[Melta Bombs, 3x Space Marine Sky Hunters, 1x Volkite Culverin]
····Sky Hunter Sergeant 

 

Legion Tactical Support Squad

[Legion Sergeant, 9x Legion Space Marines, Plasma Guns]

 

Legion Rhino Armoured Carrier [Dozer Blade, Extra Armour]

 

+ Fast Attack +

Primaris-Lightning Strike Fighter

[battle Servitor Control, Ground-tracking Auguries, 4 Kraken penetrator heavy missiles]

 

 

+ Heavy Support +

Sicaran Venator Tank Destroyer

[Armoured Ceramite]

[Da Once & Future Git]

I think it's quite a nice base, however I do think there's a lot of points you could trim if you wanted.

 

For example, you could leave the Jetbikes as a dedicated anti-infantry shoot unit by dropping the sergeant and melta bombs, there’s 60 points.

 

You could also change the characters and command squad's Jetbikes to bikes, they have 2+ armour base (although need to add AA to the chappy and medicae) and have skilled rider for terrain so all the Jetbikes do is give them heavy bolters (and looks! Although you can convert). Dropping to bikes would save 95 points (assuming the command squad is 5 strong, not sure).

 

With that you could add some dedicated anti-tank, either attack bikes or land speeders would fit.

If you drop the melta bombs off two characters you could add 3 attack bikes with multi-meltas and melta bombs for 165 points.

[Ironwithout]

So first off I love this list. You are pretty much running similar to what I do at 2500 points so I can give you a heads up from experience.

 

First off if you want to run Lightnings you need a way to deal with Dreadnoughts before they come on. Seriously they will ruin your day. Lightnings die quickly.

 

Lightnings need battle servitor control. I know those Krakens hitting on 2's seems great but when you are investing over 200 points in a plane which will come on and delete something you are going to be pissed when you fluff your roles. ( I have seen it happen )

 

The sunfury missiles are cool but honestly dont take them unless you have 30 points to spare at the end of the list. Ap3 is cool but unless you kill the sargent he will still tank them and a smart opponent will know its coming.

 

The chaplain isn't worth it. If you like him fair enough but the reality is the command squad will get smashed by nearly all specialist combat unit ie Red Butchers, Suzerains and any others you can think of. The chaplain wont change it and you dont need him for them to smash tactical squads and vet squads.

 

The command squad on jetbikes is your choice. The jetbikes give them a 2+ base and the speed is the strength in this choice. If you wanted to save points you could take bikes. ( I would go Jetbikes everytime)

 

The Outrider Squad is your choice. People say plasma guns are too expensive. Personally I agree but that doesn't stop me running them in ZM just be careful with them as they will be a target.

 

As a rule the sargent and Glaive upgrade is overcosted for what it does and everyone who says it is right. Having said that when your troops are bike units that +1 LD is really needed so I agree you should have a sargent. The other thing the glaive is good to have because of hit and run so with this list I think you have your bike and jetbike builds spot on.

 

Always take melta bombs!

 

Off the top of my head thats all I can think of. I'll leave you with this.

 

1. Do you need 2 lightnings at 2k? Do you run into that many Spartans in your meta?

2. Do you really need that chaplain?

3. What is your fallback heavy hitters if those Lightnings die?

4. As much as I love jetbikes they do not have the firepower to be a game changer on their own

[Hummous]

Thanks for all the feedback guys! Here's a revised list!

 

I've taken your advice and scrapped one of the lightnings, and replaced it with the venator so i can start with some heavy firepower on the board. Also, having looked at the outriders, I decided to go with a legion support squad instead. My reasons being: Theyre infantry, so they can take advantage of the cyber hawk (rerolling 1's to hit) on top of the 6" move rerolling 1's to wound.

 

To fit them in i've had to split the 6 man jetbike squad into 2, however i think this may end up being ok, as they'll be able to cap more objectives despite the cost of being a slightly more fragile unit. 

 

Finally, i think you had a good point with the chaplain, so i swapped him to be a librarian instead. Partially, i like the idea of having a stormseer, because the one in Scars is a badass. Game wise, a lucky roll on shrouding/invis could be really nice and psychic shriek is a nice armor ignoring power.

White scars 30k 2000pts 


+ HQ +

Legion Centurion [Legion Scimitar Jetbike with Heavy Bolter, Melta Bombs, Power Armour, Psychic Mastery Level 2, Refractor Field]
····Consul [Librarian]

Legion Centurion [Legion Scimitar Jetbike with Heavy Bolter, Melta Bombs, Power Armour, Power Glaive, Refractor Field]
····Consul [Primus Medicae]

Legion Praetor [Artificer Armour, Cyber-hawk, Digital Lasers, Iron Halo, Legion Scimitar Jetbike with Heavy Bolter, Melta Bombs, Paragon Blade, Thunder Hammer]

····Legion Command Squad [3x Combat Shield, Legion Scimitar Jetbikes with Heavy Bolters, 2x Legion Space Marine Chosen, Legion Standard Bearer, Melta Bombs, 3x Power Weapon]
····Master of the Legion [Chogorian Brotherhood]

+ Troops +

Legion Jetbike Sky Hunter Squadron [Melta Bombs, 3x Space Marine Sky Hunters, Volkite Culverin]

Legion Jetbike Sky Hunter Squadron [Melta Bombs, 3x Space Marine Sky Hunters, Volkite Culverin]

Legion Tactical Support Squad [Legion Sergeant, 9x Legion Space Marines, Plasma Guns]

 

Legion Drop Pod

+ Fast Attack +

Primaris-Lightning Strike Fighter [battle Servitor Control, Ground-tracking Auguries, 2x Two Kraken penetrator heavy missiles]

+ Heavy Support +

Sicaran Venator Tank Destroyer [Armoured Ceramite, Lascannons]

 

[Ironwithout]

This list is sweet. And the cyber hawk / plasma squad combo I agree is really nasty. My only thing is you need a rhino for that support squad. With the Chogorian Brotherhood RoW you are forced to reserve them without a transport and im not sure thats a good idea. If thats your plan then fair enough. Good luck and let me know how you get on. We dont have enough Scars players at the moment.

 

Oh the Venator doesnt need Lascannons. The main gun is ordinance so they will be snap firing the whole time. If your worried about weapons destroyed results then take heavy bolters and save yourself 20 points but I dont think the sponsons are needed.

[Hummous]

Can't the support squad sit in the drop pod and come in turn one anyway? 

[Caillum]

Your Tactical Support Squad can't take a Drop Pod as a DT, only when running Orbital Assault and some Legion-specific Rites. Ironwithout's suggestion of a Rhino is a nice & simple swap.

 

Ditto on the Venator sponsons.

 

Lastly, I'd drop one of the Consuls. It's a tonne of points tied up in HQ (in one unit, no less). The Librarian could almost pay for 2 Javelins with CMLs, multi-meltas and 2 HKMs each!

[Da Once & Future Git]

You can't take a drop pod as they don't have that as a dedicated transport option. You can only really take those in certain RoW like Orbital Assault or the Night Lords Terror Assault.

Therefore, you can simply swap it for a Rhino (I'd probably give it a dozer blade and maybe extra armour too) you can get the points from the lascannons. The other option is to give them a Dreadclaw, they're more expensive though.

 

If you can, try to give the Lightning another set of Krakens, 4 Krakens will pop anything!

 

Otherwise, looks good!

 

Love the plasma gun cyber-hawk combo!

[Ironwithout]

You can't take a drop pod as they don't have that as a dedicated transport option. You can only really take those in certain RoW like Orbital Assault or the Night Lords Terror Assault.

Therefore, you can simply swap it for a Rhino (I'd probably give it a dozer blade and maybe extra armour too) you can get the points from the lascannons. The other option is to give them a Dreadclaw, they're more expensive though.

 

If you can, try to give the Lightning another set of Krakens, 4 Krakens will pop anything!

 

Otherwise, looks good!

 

Love the plasma gun cyber-hawk combo!

Ooh great catch. I saw Krakens and assumed he had 4. I second this in a big way!

[Hummous]

i do have 4 its just battlescribe has them in pairs, so it comes up as 2xtwo instead of 4.

I'm a tiny bit confused on the pod front, why cant i buy the pod as a seperate troops option (as listed in the legion crusades army list book) and put them in it

I see now, its a "dedicated transport" not a "troop"

I'm almost brand new to Horus Heresy to if I'm being really dumb please let me know!

[Slips]

The reason why you cant buy pods is because theyre only a dedicated transport like the Rhino but only unlocked for use in specific circumstances such as Orbital Assault.

 

They arent a Fast Attack option like in 40k; though the Dreadclaw is.

 

Also:

3 HQ slots

6 Troops

4 Elites

3 Fast Attack

3 Heavy Support

1 Lord of War

[Hummous]

The reason why you cant buy pods is because theyre only a dedicated transport like the Rhino but only unlocked for use in specific circumstances such as Orbital Assault.

 

They arent a Fast Attack option like in 40k; though the Dreadclaw is.

 

Also:

3 HQ slots

6 Troops

4 Elites

3 Fast Attack

3 Heavy Support

1 Lord of War

 

Yeah i figured that out, probably while you were typing! Thanks for the help though, there are these little differences from 40k i need to remember!

[Da Once & Future Git]

Another thing, do you also really need the thunder hammer & Paragon blade on the Praetor?  you could drop one (i'd ditch the hammer) for for digi-lasers if you really want the extra attack to save some points...

 

I also kinda second the idea about dropping the libby... I reckon those two Javelins would probably be more useful.  The libby is just so expensive!

[Hummous]

Hmm, the TH and Paragon blade is so i can get up to 7 attacks on the charge, and can swap to the TH if i need to kill some high toughness units/light armour

 

The librarian is, to be honest a fluff choice (as i could represent a stormseer as a librarian or a chaplain and it seems the librarian is better after some reconsideration)

 

But i would always have psychic shriek as well as a potential shroud or invis, which is pretty nice

[Ironwithout]

The issue is you are now in the realms of sacrificing fluff for being more competitive. I dropped the Librarian because he just didnt cut it because my local meta has some really hard lists. The Librarian is up to you. The guys are right in what they are saying but having said that if you want to keep it for fluff reasons no one would argue with it.

 

Javelins are just as fluffy but you seem to want the Librarian because of your own love for them. Which is cool

 

I do the same for my Praetor so 7 attacks only difference is I use a Fist instead of the hammer

[Slips]

If you want a second specialist weapon, a Power Fist does pretty much the same as a Hammer for a bit cheaper. The loss of concussive isnt really an issue since you'll be using the Paragon Blade in most cases anyways.

[Hummous]

I think i'm going to stick with the stormseer librarian, as I'm really looking forward to building/painting him! I think with 30k i'm willing to make some slight concessions in terms of pure efficiency in order to have certain options i like the look of. It's the difference i like from 40k, the javelin's might be better, but not so much better that its completely useless for me to take the unit that i prefer the look/fluff of!

 

The thunder hammer is just an aesthetic choice, but i've already built and paitned the praetor so theres little scope for changing it anyway (meh, its only 5 points) 

 

Thanks so much for the help so far guys! I'm really enjoying being part of this forum!

 

by the way, here's a pic of the praetor. I still need to get a proper camera and lightbooth, but i always end up buying actual models instead! 

 

[Ironwithout]

That looks awesome! You need your own Scars thread in the AoD general forum

[Hummous]

Forgive my newbie question,but what sorts of things would I put on it? Sort of like a progress log of the army?

[Slips]

Anything youd want to talk about as pertaining to your army, really.

 

So fluff, themes, paint schemes, etc