Antaonix Posted April 7, 2016 Share Posted April 7, 2016 We know that there will be 40k rules for Cataphractii and Contemptor in new space marine supplement. And also there is a rumor indicating Second plastic heresy box in Fall. This means GW can Produce anything for Heresy, which can be used for 40k Too. Maybe a Sicaran or Scimitar Jetbike. What do you think about this? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/321216-what-can-we-anticipate-from-second-plastic-heresy-box/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balthamal Posted April 7, 2016 Share Posted April 7, 2016 There was a similar discussion about this some months ago. A lot will depend on the "engagement" the box represents (assuming of course that they follow the same idea as B@C - which they will, it was too successful not to) two names that were mentioned were Phall (IW vs IF) and Prospero (TS vs SW) which could certainly work given that it's direct Legion vs Legion conflict. Couple of things to bear in mind though: It has to be Legion neutral Bulk of the box will be infantry in some shape or form Tanks are out - they're too bulky There'll likely be a consul of some sort in I don't know why people keep bringing the tank angle up - it isn't going to happen. Even Rhino chassis based ones would be either too bulky or take up too much sprue space. The contemptor in B@C was a different story - small number of pieces with not much space in the box. And that's going to be the constraining factor; you'll have module sprues, rules, board pieces, cards, dice etc in one box and it can't be too big or too heavy. If we're looking at Phall I'd expect breachers and a siege breaker to be in there, maybe with alternative marks of armour or even Tartaros Terminators. Prospero frees up assault marines, jetbikes, librarians and so forth. I personally would love to see a plastic deredeo because it could be done the same way as a contemptor. And whilst plastic sicarans are no bad thing to me, the fact they're always among the most popular sellers every month says that FW can continue making a bomb off them Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/321216-what-can-we-anticipate-from-second-plastic-heresy-box/#findComment-4357409 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolemai Posted April 7, 2016 Share Posted April 7, 2016 Of late, these standalone boxsets seem to be all about hex tiles - so basically it has to fit with that. Interestingly, the Deathwatch box had a bike in it, so it's possible there will be a type of bike or (alternative pattern) jetbike in it. Personally, I reckon there will be different power armour marks for the Troops (either Mk II or Mk III - surely they wont just repackage the Mk IV sutff?) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/321216-what-can-we-anticipate-from-second-plastic-heresy-box/#findComment-4357412 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robzilla Posted April 7, 2016 Share Posted April 7, 2016 As mentioned above, there needs to be some rules that GW will consider, just for sheer economy: - All models will be legion neutral. - likely that all armour marks will be identical (I.e all tac squads were mkiv last time) - all models will be small (ish) so likely no vehicles. - centrepiece model is likely (all boxed sets in recent memory have one... High elf griffon, hellbrute, contemptor, stormcast dracoth/spawn gribbly thing) In part it also is going to be determined by games workshops mindset. Do they just want to give us gamers a few core sets to get started, or do they want to Transition all their core units into plastic? With that in mind... Phall seems like a safe bet. Lots of mkiii armour. It would also seem economic to follow the same pattern as the calth set and just make mkiii tac squad sprues... But add in an upgrade sprue or two of breacher shields? Whilst I think phall would lend itself to terminators, I can honestly see them not doing tartaros armour as due to the forgeworld buff it got, but... I could be wrong. They may be looking to move all their core units to plastic. Characters? Will probably be a similar route to last time, a termie character and a power armoured dude. As for the centrepiece unit? Rapier batteries seem like a safe bet in a ship board battle. Small(ish), portable, but large enough to stand out as a mini. Could also be a different contemptor? Different weapon load out or chassis. With that in mind... My purely speculative prediction: Two characters. Power armour praetor and termie consul this time. 30 tactical marines mkiii armour. 10 breacher shields (upgrade sprue to combine with marines if desired) 5 termies (not sure which type) 2 rapier teams OR a dread of some variety. Other possibilities for a game could be prospero or even istvaan v... Which would massively shake up what the box contents could/would be and completely invalidate my theories. Who knows :p Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/321216-what-can-we-anticipate-from-second-plastic-heresy-box/#findComment-4357421 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quixus Posted April 7, 2016 Share Posted April 7, 2016 If it is legion neutral I think the Battle of Prospero is less likely to be the focus. Both the Space Wolves and the Thousand Sons have very distinct armour, even in 30K. IF and IW on the other hand are not very ornate. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/321216-what-can-we-anticipate-from-second-plastic-heresy-box/#findComment-4357483 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted April 7, 2016 Share Posted April 7, 2016 The most likely (and prominent rumour) is Phall. IF vs IW. Why? -Two fan favourite legions -BREACHERS... MKIII plastics -Rapiers -MKII Iron Armour tacticals plastics -Terminators work for both guys, maybe Tartaros? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/321216-what-can-we-anticipate-from-second-plastic-heresy-box/#findComment-4357515 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Kjaran Coldheart Posted April 7, 2016 Share Posted April 7, 2016 Mk3 armor would break my bank As teenage girls say, "I can't even" Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/321216-what-can-we-anticipate-from-second-plastic-heresy-box/#findComment-4357540 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elzender Posted April 7, 2016 Share Posted April 7, 2016 There are some doubts I have: - Are the rumours about this second box reliable enough? - Is it confirmed that BaC boxes have limited stock? - Are the rumours of single unit kits from BaC being released reliable? I'm asking to know if it is better to get another BaC box for an eventual new legion army (still have too many things to assemble and paint for my IF, but I know that it won't stop there ), or if I can wait to get my IF done (maybe 5-10 years ). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/321216-what-can-we-anticipate-from-second-plastic-heresy-box/#findComment-4357576 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted April 7, 2016 Share Posted April 7, 2016 There are some doubts I have: - Are the rumours about this second box reliable enough? - Is it confirmed that BaC boxes have limited stock? - Are the rumours of single unit kits from BaC being released reliable? I'm asking to know if it is better to get another BaC box for an eventual new legion army (still have too many things to assemble and paint for my IF, but I know that it won't stop there ), or if I can wait to get my IF done (maybe 5-10 years ). Either way... It is confirmed that the BaC models will be available for sale seperately soon (before this new box hits no doubt) so I wouldn't worry about them being limited. You'll just probably have to pay a little more for them individually! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/321216-what-can-we-anticipate-from-second-plastic-heresy-box/#findComment-4357630 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theredknight Posted April 7, 2016 Share Posted April 7, 2016 Yeah who can guess! Depends on the re points of things like breachers, they might actually work in synergy with fw. You could have some sort of fortification assault, with breachers, some robots and maybe a leviathan as centrepiece. Assault marines would be nice but that's just wish listing Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/321216-what-can-we-anticipate-from-second-plastic-heresy-box/#findComment-4357666 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerichus Posted April 7, 2016 Share Posted April 7, 2016 If the new kit has a plastic leviathan I can guarantee that I'll be able to make a table out of the left-over boxes! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/321216-what-can-we-anticipate-from-second-plastic-heresy-box/#findComment-4357670 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted April 7, 2016 Share Posted April 7, 2016 After seeing the... Results of the IH mark 3 in Deathwatch I don't think I want GW touching them (though plastic Cataphractii prove it can be done). I just don't trust it will come out correctly Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/321216-what-can-we-anticipate-from-second-plastic-heresy-box/#findComment-4357686 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElectricPaladin Posted April 7, 2016 Share Posted April 7, 2016 I think a second Calth is likely, even if it's just because of how damn well Calth sold. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/321216-what-can-we-anticipate-from-second-plastic-heresy-box/#findComment-4357698 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elzender Posted April 7, 2016 Share Posted April 7, 2016 Either way... It is confirmed that the BaC models will be available for sale seperately soon (before this new box hits no doubt) so I wouldn't worry about them being limited. You'll just probably have to pay a little more for them individually! That's one of the things I'd like to avoid, the BaC was really great value, but the individual kits will probably be the same price or even higher that their 40k equivalents (still better than FW, but saving for newer FW models is always nice . The thing is, if now cataphractii and contemptors will be largely available to the 40k community, BaC boxes will probably fly off the shelves, specially if GW makes a powerful formation/whateveritiscalled for them. Regarding the plastic Leviathan, I find it highly unlikely, considering that is a relatively new kit and fairly popular, I don't see GW "stealing" it from FW. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/321216-what-can-we-anticipate-from-second-plastic-heresy-box/#findComment-4357728 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corsovitt Posted April 7, 2016 Share Posted April 7, 2016 How about a plastic contemptor corvus (or whatever it's called) that way it doesn't have to compete with a current forge world model... I'm still wishlisting for breachers (the 30 I have are not enough) although I'd be equally happy with mk4 breachers, mk4 despoilers would be another easy choice that way the hobbyist would be able to mix and match sprues from both boxed sets to create whole marine armies for both 30k and 40k. I would imagine we wouldn't see terminator as such as a third plastic terminator type would dilute sales amongst the non 30k gamers. Possibly jetbikes although if they were try and add them into 40k for marines then there's likely to be a world breaking rector and even more chaos rage. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/321216-what-can-we-anticipate-from-second-plastic-heresy-box/#findComment-4357844 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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