Tranc Posted April 7, 2016 Share Posted April 7, 2016 Hey, I posted this a while back and received no responses, but maybe I had posted it in the wrong subform... I'm planning a Horus Heresy Ultramarines army, but I also like the look of several of the other legions and was thinking of taking one or more of them as allied detachments.I thought it might be fun to start a thread on legion allied detachments. What kind of allied detachments can you think up at say 1000 points that are either effective, characteristic of the legion (a.k.a. "fluffy"), or both?Here is one I came up with for Salamanders that uses both of their legion specific units:Salamanders Legion Allied Detachment Praetor w/ Artificer Armor, Master-crafted Paragon Blade, Iron Halo, Dragonscale Storm Shield - 165 ptsFiredrake Terminator Squad (5) w/ Master-crafted Thunder Hammer, 4x Thunder Hammer, 4x Dragonscale Storm Shield & Combi-Flamer - 350 ptsTactical Squad (10) w/ Artificer Armour, Master-crafted Power Axe - 175 ptsRhino Armoured Carrier w/ Twin-linked Bolter & Heavy Flamer - 50 ptsLand Speeder w/ Heavy Flamer & Multi-Melta - 75 ptsPyroclast Squad (5) w/ Master-crafted Pyroclast Flame Projector, Power Fist - 180 ptsAdditional Points: +995Here is another for Imperial Fists that uses up some of the spare models I have (Rapier Laser Destroyer, Deimos Predator, etc., but seems in character.Imperial Fists Legion Allied Detachment Alexis Polux (Rite of War: The Stone Gauntlet) w/ Master-crafted Power Fist, Vigil Pattern Storm Shield & Combi-melta - 165 ptsRapier Laser Destroyer - 55 ptsBreacher Squad (20) w/ Artificer Armour & Thunder Hammer - 355 ptsTactical Support Squad (5) w/ 5x Flamer - 100 ptsSeeker Squad (5) w/ 2x Combi-Plasma - 195 ptsRhino Armoured Carrier w/ Twin-linked Bolter - 35 ptsLegion Deimos Predator tank "Sun Spear" w/ Heavy Bolter Sponsons - 95 ptsAdditional Points: +1000 I'm thinking of allied Blood Angels and/or Dark Angels as well, so any help would be appreciated! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carnivore Posted April 8, 2016 Share Posted April 8, 2016 I think this is a great topic. It would be really helpful for you to post your Ultramarines list so we could know where your allied detachment is meant to plug holes, but I'll give you my general thoughts on your detachments... Salamanders - I'm shocked you left the Mantle of the Elder Drake off of your Salamanders Praetor - it's an auto-include that I would KILL for on my Night Lords Praetor. I'd also swap out one of the Firedrakes' Thunderhammers for a Chainfist for all the Armoured Ceramite you'll run into. I'm also concerned with the lack of transportation for a Terminator squad without any transport - I know a ride is costly for them, but so is getting them shot off the board before they do anything valuable. I don't think you really need the Land Speeder, but that's just me. Imperial Fists - Imperial Fists have the best vanilla Terminators in the game, bar none. You don't have any of them here. I'm extremely biased (I love Terminators), but it seems like a mistake to me to leave them off in the only Legion that can take Storm Shields, Assault Cannons, AND Teleportation Transponders no matter the Rite of War. I think you have a lot of fragile units there that don't add a ton of depth to your force. Try this: HQ (165pts) Alexis Polux (165pts) --> Roles with the Breachers. Troops (310pts) Legion Breacher Siege Squad (310pts) 9x Legion Breacher Siege Space Marines, 2x Graviton Guns, Legion Vexilla, Nuncio-Vox Legion Breacher Siege Sergeant: Artificer Armour, Power Fist, Melta Bombs --> Led by Polux, you have a rock-solid troop choice with extra teeth thanks to Polux. Elites (285pts) Legion Terminator Squad (285pts) 4x Cataphractii Terminators, 3x Chainfists, 1x Power Fist, 4x Vigil Pattern Storm Shield, Teleportation Transponder Legion Terminator Sergeant: Thunderhammer, Vigil Pattern Storm Shield --> This is your LOW killer unit. These are your monster hunters. Send them after anything too hard for anyone else to crack. Also, if your Breachers or another troop unit is getting hammered, if you kept them in reserve you can call them down right on the spot with the Nuncio-Vox for instant cavalry. Heavy Support (240pts) Deredeo Pattern Dreadnought (240pts) Aiolos Missile Launcher, Armoured Ceramite--> Never a bad choice. Tried and true long range fire-support, and very fluffy for the Imperial Fists in my opinion. Total = 1000pts on the dot Also, given my own recent foray into the Blood Angels in 30k, I thought I'd offer a Blood Angels Allied Detachment option based off of what I run: HQ Legion Praetor (220pts) Artificer Armour, Iron Halo, Jump Pack, Paragon Blade, Power Fist, Digital Lasers, Mastercraft a Single WeaponTroops (393pts) Legion Assault Squad (393pts) 14x Legion Assault Space Marines, 3x Power Weapons Legion Assault Sergeant: Artificer Armour, Thunder Hammer, Combat Shield, Melta Bombs Heavy Support Leviathan Siege Dreadnought (385pts) Armoured Ceramite, Leviathan Siege Drill, 2x Twin-Linked Iliastus-Pattern Assault Cannons, Phosphex Discharger, Legion Dreadnought Drop PodTotal = 998pts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tranc Posted April 9, 2016 Author Share Posted April 9, 2016 I think this is a great topic. It would be really helpful for you to post your Ultramarines list so we could know where your allied detachment is meant to plug holes, but I'll give you my general thoughts on your detachments...Thanks for the reply Carnivore. I did not post my Ultramarines list because I was thinking this could be a more general purpose thread for anyone who wants to add a small allied detachment (not just customized for me). However, since you asked, the Ultramarines list I am planning is at the end of this post. Salamanders - I'm shocked you left the Mantle of the Elder Drake off of your Salamanders Praetor - it's an auto-include that I would KILL for on my Night Lords Praetor. I'd also swap out one of the Firedrakes' Thunderhammers for a Chainfist for all the Armoured Ceramite you'll run into. I'm also concerned with the lack of transportation for a Terminator squad without any transport - I know a ride is costly for them, but so is getting them shot off the board before they do anything valuable. I don't think you really need the Land Speeder, but that's just me.On the Mantle, that really just shows my inexperience with Salamanders. The chain fist is a nice idea, but one I eschewed because I didn't know if I could convert it well enough to mesh with the FW Firedrake models (but it might work with the recent Deathwatch Salamanders terminator). A transport for the Firedrakes is expensive, and that would mean getting rid of the Pyroclast squad for sure. I included the Landspeeder because it's the only Salamanders unit that I have painted from 40K :o) http://image.bolterandchainsword.com/uploads/1329919025/gallery_37066_7001_25658.jpg Imperial Fists - Imperial Fists have the best vanilla Terminators in the game, bar none. You don't have any of them here. I'm extremely biased (I love Terminators), but it seems like a mistake to me to leave them off in the only Legion that can take Storm Shields, Assault Cannons, AND Teleportation Transponders no matter the Rite of War. I think you have a lot of fragile units there that don't add a ton of depth to your force. Try this: HQ (165pts) Alexis Polux (165pts) --> Roles with the Breachers. Troops (310pts) Legion Breacher Siege Squad (310pts) 9x Legion Breacher Siege Space Marines, 2x Graviton Guns, Legion Vexilla, Nuncio-Vox Legion Breacher Siege Sergeant: Artificer Armour, Power Fist, Melta Bombs --> Led by Polux, you have a rock-solid troop choice with extra teeth thanks to Polux. Elites (285pts) Legion Terminator Squad (285pts) 4x Cataphractii Terminators, 3x Chainfists, 1x Power Fist, 4x Vigil Pattern Storm Shield, Teleportation Transponder Legion Terminator Sergeant: Thunderhammer, Vigil Pattern Storm Shield --> This is your LOW killer unit. These are your monster hunters. Send them after anything too hard for anyone else to crack. Also, if your Breachers or another troop unit is getting hammered, if you kept them in reserve you can call them down right on the spot with the Nuncio-Vox for instant cavalry. Heavy Support (240pts) Deredeo Pattern Dreadnought (240pts) Aiolos Missile Launcher, Armoured Ceramite--> Never a bad choice. Tried and true long range fire-support, and very fluffy for the Imperial Fists in my opinion. Total = 1000pts on the dot Thank you for your suggestions. I think I was going for lots of cheaper units in the old "earth" style army when making the Imperial Fists detachment, since I had some of the other capabilities in my main list. Are graviton guns that good in 30K? Targets have to roll below their strength? Also, given my own recent foray into the Blood Angels in 30k, I thought I'd offer a Blood Angels Allied Detachment option based off of what I run: HQ Legion Praetor (220pts) Artificer Armour, Iron Halo, Jump Pack, Paragon Blade, Power Fist, Digital Lasers, Mastercraft a Single WeaponTroops (393pts) Legion Assault Squad (393pts) 14x Legion Assault Space Marines, 3x Power Weapons Legion Assault Sergeant: Artificer Armour, Thunder Hammer, Combat Shield, Melta Bombs Heavy Support Leviathan Siege Dreadnought (385pts) Armoured Ceramite, Leviathan Siege Drill, 2x Twin-Linked Iliastus-Pattern Assault Cannons, Phosphex Discharger, Legion Dreadnought Drop PodTotal = 998ptsI like this, thanks! Ultramarines Legion Army List Legion Champion w/ Artificer Armour, Mastercrafted Thunder Hammer & Boarding Shield - 130 Veteran Tactical Squad (8) w/ Furious Charge, Artificer Armour, Power Fist, 4x Power Weapon & Vexilla - 245 pts Storm Eagle Assault Gunship "Azure Eagle" - Armoured Ceramite, Twin-linked Multi-Melta & 2x Twin-linked Lascannon - 285 pts Cataphractii Terminator Squad (5) w/ Plasma Blaster, 2x Combi-Plasma, 2x Thunder Hammer, 2x Pair of Lightning Claws & Chainfist - 257 pts Mk IIB Land Raider Phobos w/ Armoured Ceramite & Multi-Melta - 290 Apothecarion Detachment (3) w/ 3x Artificer Armour & Power Sword - 175 pts Contemptor-Mortis Dreadnought "Justarius" w/ 2x Kheres Assault Cannon & Havoc Launcher - 195 pts Tactical Squad (20) w/ Artificer Armor, Power Fist, Combi-Melta, Vexilla & Nuncio-vox - 305 pts Tactical Squad (10) w/ Power Weapon & Melta-Bombs - 165 pts Tactical Support Squad (5) w/ 5x Plasma Gun - 175 pts Rhino Armoured Carrier w/ Twin-linked Bolter - 35 pts Seeker Squad (9) w/ 5x Combi-Plasma - 285 pts Rhino Armoured Carrier w/ Twin-linked Bolter - 35 pts Fellblade Super-Heavy Tank "Macragge's Thunder" w/ Armoured Ceramite & Space Marine Crew - 565 pts Total Points: 2999 pts Additional Ultramarines Legion Specific Units: Replace Veteran Tactical Squad (-245 pts) and Cataphractii Terminator Squad (-257 pts) with Invictarus Suzerain Squad (10) - 325 pts Locutarus Storm Squad (10) w/ Power Axe & Combat Shield - 290 pts Fulmentarus Terminator Strike Squad (5) w/ 3x Power Sword, 2x Power Fist, 5x Cyclone Missile Launcher - 385 pts Additional Points: +498 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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