Leif Bearclaw Posted April 14, 2016 Share Posted April 14, 2016 Where is it stated that the Wolves had a significant numerical advantage? From what I recall of Prospero Burns the only advantage the Wolves had was in taking the Thousand Sons utterly by surprise, not to mention the fact that they were bulked out by a significant cadre of the Silent Sisterhood, I don't remember anything about vastly outnumbering Well according to Lexicanum (best I can do right now, separated from most of my 40k books): "Most of the strength of the Space Wolves Legion was present at Prospero, and was said to significantly outnumber that of the Thousand Sons" Cited to Prospero Burns, No Chapter Citation, page 397. Make of that what you will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
God-Potato of Mankind Posted April 14, 2016 Share Posted April 14, 2016 It seems it is the Slaught. Rereading book 1 page 99 it refers to Juljak Nul, a World Eater Master of Ordnance who was interred within a Dreadnought frame after being horrifically mutilated by Slaugth muder-minds at Rangda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greyedout Posted April 15, 2016 Share Posted April 15, 2016 More fuel for the fire: was reading the background on House Orhlacc and it notes that they lost 48 knights "desperately holding the line against the faceless tide of grey abomination in order to buy time for the Imperium to gather its forces and counterstrike", for which they received a Memento Mori from the Emperor himself. That could fit the Slaugth - faceless but made of worms? - but it's not conclusive. Clearly they were facing unpainted armies. ...sorry, I'll see myself out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balthamal Posted April 15, 2016 Share Posted April 15, 2016 Where is it stated that the Wolves had a significant numerical advantage? From what I recall of Prospero Burns the only advantage the Wolves had was in taking the Thousand Sons utterly by surprise, not to mention the fact that they were bulked out by a significant cadre of the Silent Sisterhood, I don't remember anything about vastly outnumbering Well according to Lexicanum (best I can do right now, separated from most of my 40k books): "Most of the strength of the Space Wolves Legion was present at Prospero, and was said to significantly outnumber that of the Thousand Sons" Cited to Prospero Burns, No Chapter Citation, page 397. Make of that what you will. Honestly? Not much. At least not with the implied heavy bias. Only a few months and it'll be a moot point regardless as there'll be some concrete numbers in Inferno Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irbis Posted April 15, 2016 Share Posted April 15, 2016 I'm willing to wager that the bird/eat skull with a mane depicted on the Dark Brotherhood iconography is a Rangdan xeno. What skull with a mane? I am looking at Dark Brotherhood space marine now and I don't see it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
depthcharge12 Posted April 15, 2016 Share Posted April 15, 2016 I'm willing to wager that the bird/eat skull with a mane depicted on the Dark Brotherhood iconography is a Rangdan xeno. What skull with a mane? I am looking at Dark Brotherhood space marine now and I don't see it... Look at their vehicles :) The Nemean's Storm eagle has one emblazoned on the side hatch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted April 15, 2016 Share Posted April 15, 2016 Can't that just be a stylized Caliban Lion since...y'know...its no real secret the Namean Reaver is a Dark Angel... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
depthcharge12 Posted April 15, 2016 Share Posted April 15, 2016 Can't that just be a stylized Caliban Lion since...y'know...its no real secret the Namean Reaver is a Dark Angel... Isn't he Terran though? And fair enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sviox Posted April 15, 2016 Share Posted April 15, 2016 20 or so years is the common figure thrown out. Think it's in either Massacre or possibly one of the shorts about Curze attacking Dorn and running with his Legion. Nostramo is destroyed and to all intents and purposes the Night Lords vanish into the dark reaches of the galaxy. One theory put forward as to why the Emperor didn't censure the Legion is because of the imminent campaign at Ullanor and afterwards there was Horus to deal with and then Nikea. There's some discrepancies thrown up now with Fel Zharost actually going to Nikea to plead on behalf of the librarians and after the edict he returned to the Legion for judgement, which was handed down by Sevatar instead of Curze because he was "being schooled by his brothers" this doesn't exactly fit into the previous material of Istvaan being 5/6 years after Ullanor and at that time nobody had heard from the VIII Legion in decades. Something missing somewhere in all that This all actually kinka makes sense: 1. 984.M30 Cheraut followed by Kurze destroying Nostramo 2. After this, the Emp orders Kurze to leave the legion and join Vulkan for 'schooling'... 3. ...while the legion, without Kurze, was semi-compliant 4. 001.M31 Nikaea 5. 006.M36 Isstvan V Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1ncarnadine Posted April 15, 2016 Share Posted April 15, 2016 Can't that just be a stylized Caliban Lion since...y'know...its no real secret the Namean Reaver is a Dark Angel... Isn't he Terran though? And fair enough. Maybe the skull of a lion is in reference to a break from the Lion and hints at why he left the Legion to become a blackshield. He had an issue with his primarch, maybe something to do with the rift between the Terrans and Calibanites? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irbis Posted April 15, 2016 Share Posted April 15, 2016 The Nemean's Storm eagle has one emblazoned on the side hatch. The skeletal lion icon? Isn't that just keeping the motif of skeletal eagle? The description of the Storm Eagle says the writing on the sides seems to reference Rangdan Xenocide, I think they would mention if the icon was obviously tied to it. Also, 'Nemean' is obvious reference to mythical lion so it might be just his personal icon. can you imagine if there was a 40k conflict where they lost 50 thousand marines Fifty space marine chapters wiped out of existence I mean the nids couldn't even take down the boys in blue alone When you think about it , imagine if we had legion numbers now all the little issues would likely just not be issues but I guess thats why it was called the great crusade. Wasn't there a lot of such conflicts? Badab War, Pale Wasting, or that crusade into Eye of Terror come to mind... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerichus Posted April 15, 2016 Share Posted April 15, 2016 The Nemean's Storm eagle has one emblazoned on the side hatch. The skeletal lion icon? Isn't that just keeping the motif of skeletal eagle? The description of the Storm Eagle says the writing on the sides seems to reference Rangdan Xenocide, I think they would mention if the icon was obviously tied to it. Also, 'Nemean' is obvious reference to mythical lion so it might be just his personal icon. Adding on to this; his power armor, the "Kithairon War Plate" is another reference to another mythical lion(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cithaeron) So he is the Lion Reaver wearing his lion war plate. So, yeah, it does seem to be an icon he associates himself with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forward Assist Posted April 22, 2016 Author Share Posted April 22, 2016 Been browsing some of FFGs Dark Heresy books where the Slaugth feature as recurring antagonists. It caught my eye that the Calixis sector the RPG is set in is to the galactic north of the Imperium, where the Xenocides are said to have occurred. A tenuous link, perhaps, but still provides more weight to the argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atia Posted April 22, 2016 Share Posted April 22, 2016 I'm willing to wager that the bird/eat skull with a mane depicted on the Dark Brotherhood iconography is a Rangdan xeno. What skull with a mane? I am looking at Dark Brotherhood space marine now and I don't see it... The Slaught are looking like this: their warrior constructs are like this: So no, the lion is just the personal heraldic of the Nemean^^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted April 22, 2016 Share Posted April 22, 2016 Oh good. I was worried it would be a cool looking enemy or advanced society you could attempt to build models around. I'm glad it's just another Lovecraft species. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Eremon Posted April 22, 2016 Share Posted April 22, 2016 Well, you could still do that, based off of their manipulation and control over other species. In fact, one of his origin stories has Alpharius taken by these xenos, the Emperor having to take a personal hand to undo all their mental work. Could very well be that there were some who heard of these Xenocides, and our losses, and thought that there must have been something more to it. Who else could resist the Emperor and cause such damage than a lost son? And they would contribute this theory to that particular son of the Emperor that conspiracy theories have a tendency to just gravitate to. Maybe it wasn't a false tale. Maybe the Dark Angels lost 50,000 Marines, a quarter of their total strength at that time, because one of the pawns of the Slaught that they had to overcome was a Primarch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olis Posted April 22, 2016 Share Posted April 22, 2016 Maybe it wasn't a false tale. Maybe the Dark Angels lost 50,000 Marines, a quarter of their total strength at that time, because one of the pawns of the Slaught that they had to overcome was a Primarch. That sounds kinda interesting. Food for thought elsewhere, maybe. ^_^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Blackwood Posted April 22, 2016 Share Posted April 22, 2016 They look interesting enough. Would be very interesting models I reckon. Plus they would make perfect fodder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olis Posted April 22, 2016 Share Posted April 22, 2016 Btw, here's another Slaugth picture: http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/mediawiki/images/0/05/Slaugth1.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Blackwood Posted April 22, 2016 Share Posted April 22, 2016 Prolly not the most pleasant way to die Very interesting looking race. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atia Posted April 22, 2016 Share Posted April 22, 2016 They look interesting enough. Would be very interesting models I reckon. Plus they would make perfect fodder. It's good you like them. We may have something cool for you coming up on Battlebunnies in the future then .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forward Assist Posted April 22, 2016 Author Share Posted April 22, 2016 Ooooh... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Antaeus Posted April 22, 2016 Share Posted April 22, 2016 I'll bet a single coca cola that it's the Viskeon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
depthcharge12 Posted April 22, 2016 Share Posted April 22, 2016 "Attack of the Chia Pets" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heshman Posted April 23, 2016 Share Posted April 23, 2016 their warrior constructs are like this: So no, the lion is just the personal heraldic of the Nemean^^ Isn't that a drawing of the Saruthi from Eisenhorn: Xenos? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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