chosen40k Posted April 8, 2016 Share Posted April 8, 2016 So what would you say be the "must read" BL book/short story (books preferred) for each Legion? Dark Angels: Savage Weapons Emperor's Children: Fulgrim Perturabo: Angel Exterminatus White Scars: Scars Space Wolves: Prospero Burns Imperial Fists: The Crimson Fist Night Lords: Prince of Crows Blood Angels: Fear to Tread Iron Hands: ??? World Eaters: Betrayer Ultramarines: Know no Fear Death Guard: ??? Thousand Sons: A Thousand Sons Sons of Horus: Horus Rising/False Gods Word Bearers: The First Heretic Salamanders: ??? Ravenguard: ??? Alpha Legion: Legion ??? denotes that I haven't read anything for that Legion yet that would qualify. What are your guys thoughts? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/321244-the-quintessential-black-library-bookstory-for-each-legion/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Memento Of Prospero Posted April 8, 2016 Share Posted April 8, 2016 Iron Hands : Riven - because the novel that shall not be named was an abomination. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/321244-the-quintessential-black-library-bookstory-for-each-legion/#findComment-4358543 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raktra Posted April 8, 2016 Share Posted April 8, 2016 Riven is bloody brilliant, like. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/321244-the-quintessential-black-library-bookstory-for-each-legion/#findComment-4358603 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Kjaran Coldheart Posted April 8, 2016 Share Posted April 8, 2016 For the Wolves, I find the short "Wolf at the Door" a better representation of them than Prospero Burns Remember, Prospero Burns was a single company showing what they thought was a plant how they acted...or wanted to appear as they acted. It was as reliable as a dating profile Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/321244-the-quintessential-black-library-bookstory-for-each-legion/#findComment-4358613 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Operative Posted April 8, 2016 Share Posted April 8, 2016 Raven Guard: Deliverance Lost Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/321244-the-quintessential-black-library-bookstory-for-each-legion/#findComment-4358615 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morovir Posted April 8, 2016 Share Posted April 8, 2016 I quite enjoyed the 'novel that shall not be named', assuming that it is The Damnation of Pythos Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/321244-the-quintessential-black-library-bookstory-for-each-legion/#findComment-4358801 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aeternus Posted April 8, 2016 Share Posted April 8, 2016 I might argue Pharos for the VIIIth. Not sure. Prince of Crows focuses much more on the upper hierarchy of the Legion, not the mainstay, while Pharos has a lot more in. Just my opinion, both are brilliant books for the legion. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/321244-the-quintessential-black-library-bookstory-for-each-legion/#findComment-4358845 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkimaskMohawk Posted April 9, 2016 Share Posted April 9, 2016 Ugh, if Pharos is considered the quintessential VIIIth legion book, then the symbol should have cartoon villain mustaches on it instead of wings. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/321244-the-quintessential-black-library-bookstory-for-each-legion/#findComment-4359079 Share on other sites More sharing options...
noigrim Posted April 9, 2016 Share Posted April 9, 2016 vulkan lives sallies iron hands Fulgrim probably Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/321244-the-quintessential-black-library-bookstory-for-each-legion/#findComment-4359779 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ion Posted April 9, 2016 Share Posted April 9, 2016 Wouldn't Eisenstein be the one for the Death Guard? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/321244-the-quintessential-black-library-bookstory-for-each-legion/#findComment-4359833 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daemon2027 Posted April 10, 2016 Share Posted April 10, 2016 Wouldn't Eisenstein be the one for the Death Guard? Doesn't really reflect the Legion as a whole unfortunately, good intro for Garro though, maybe a step into for the Knight Errants. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/321244-the-quintessential-black-library-bookstory-for-each-legion/#findComment-4360141 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balthamal Posted April 10, 2016 Share Posted April 10, 2016 I'd agree with Riven for the Iron Hands, everything after their appearance in Fulgrim shows them after the end of their Legion as it was. Riven at least captures their essence better than what comes later. The Wolves - Don't get me wrong I like Wolf at the Door, I thought it was written very, very well. However it's almost written as 40k Space Wolves, as if their 10,000 evolution hasn't taken place. I'd also recommend Howl of the Hearthworld and Wolf King as reads for them, if maybe not a quintessential one. The Salamanders - Scorched Earth is by far and away the best bit of XVIII Legion work out there. What makes it infuriating is that as good as that is, Vulkan Lives and Deathfire are horrific to read. And all by the same author. Along with Battle for the Abyss they form the unholy triumvirate of books I literally had to force myself to finish for the sake of the story. The Raven Guard - Deliverance Lost. Not quite as hard to read as some other books but my overwhelming feeling with this book is that it's full of excellent ideas let down by their execution. Death Guard - Flight of the Eisenstein. Not sure why this isn't doesn't make the cut? OK Garro is obviously the main player but there's more than enough information about the Legion as a whole and it's way of war Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/321244-the-quintessential-black-library-bookstory-for-each-legion/#findComment-4360509 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Kjaran Coldheart Posted April 10, 2016 Share Posted April 10, 2016 @Bathamal: The problem with the Wolves is that they havent had a good novel focused on the Legion yet. PB: Single company, posing for spy Howl of the Hearthworld is awesome, but very abrupt. It if were a full fledged novel, I've no doubt ADB would kill it. (as it is, I am looking forward to MoM VERY muuch)Wolf King: I saw this novella as more about Russ, Bjorn, and the future of the Legion, rather than the Legion itself as it was. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/321244-the-quintessential-black-library-bookstory-for-each-legion/#findComment-4360548 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corswain Posted April 10, 2016 Share Posted April 10, 2016 I actually enjoyed Feat of Iron for the Iron Hands. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/321244-the-quintessential-black-library-bookstory-for-each-legion/#findComment-4360563 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balthamal Posted April 10, 2016 Share Posted April 10, 2016 @Bathamal: The problem with the Wolves is that they havent had a good novel focused on the Legion yet. PB: Single company, posing for spy Howl of the Hearthworld is awesome, but very abrupt. It if were a full fledged novel, I've no doubt ADB would kill it. (as it is, I am looking forward to MoM VERY muuch) Wolf King: I saw this novella as more about Russ, Bjorn, and the future of the Legion, rather than the Legion itself as it was. I fear the problem there is, there'll never be a novel that focuses on the Legion entirely. Russ and Bjorn are such integral characters (and always have been in truth) that it's almost impossible to sideline them from any of the focal points a full novel would require which would be a shame because I think there's significant potential to look at how the personalities of the Jarls influenced the Legion as a whole given they pretty much ruled the thirteen companies under Russ. The other Legions with characters whose names endure to 40K manage to do a good job of presenting a view point of the Legion as a whole - best example would be the Imperial Fists - Sigismund is the most famous loyalist from the heresy yet the bulk of VII Legion material comes from the PoV of Alexis Pollux. If there was another character that could "shoulder the burden" as it were it would help immensely. With you on MoM though - been literally aching to get that in hand ever since ADB said he was writing it Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/321244-the-quintessential-black-library-bookstory-for-each-legion/#findComment-4360583 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Kjaran Coldheart Posted April 10, 2016 Share Posted April 10, 2016 @Bathamal: The problem with the Wolves is that they havent had a good novel focused on the Legion yet. PB: Single company, posing for spy Howl of the Hearthworld is awesome, but very abrupt. It if were a full fledged novel, I've no doubt ADB would kill it. (as it is, I am looking forward to MoM VERY muuch) Wolf King: I saw this novella as more about Russ, Bjorn, and the future of the Legion, rather than the Legion itself as it was. I fear the problem there is, there'll never be a novel that focuses on the Legion entirely. Russ and Bjorn are such integral characters (and always have been in truth) that it's almost impossible to sideline them from any of the focal points a full novel would require which would be a shame because I think there's significant potential to look at how the personalities of the Jarls influenced the Legion as a whole given they pretty much ruled the thirteen companies under Russ. The other Legions with characters whose names endure to 40K manage to do a good job of presenting a view point of the Legion as a whole - best example would be the Imperial Fists - Sigismund is the most famous loyalist from the heresy yet the bulk of VII Legion material comes from the PoV of Alexis Pollux. If there was another character that could "shoulder the burden" as it were it would help immensely. With you on MoM though - been literally aching to get that in hand ever since ADB said he was writing it I agree completely on everything you just posted. My only regret is I only have 1 like to give. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/321244-the-quintessential-black-library-bookstory-for-each-legion/#findComment-4360617 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hummous Posted April 11, 2016 Share Posted April 11, 2016 If we're not limiting ourselves to the HH series, the night lords series by ADB are perfect for getting an overview both of their current state, and their story post siege of terra Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/321244-the-quintessential-black-library-bookstory-for-each-legion/#findComment-4360893 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperors Teeth Posted April 11, 2016 Share Posted April 11, 2016 I think 'Fulgrim' did a great job of creating an interesting Ferrus. I wasn't so sure first time through but having listened to the audio book as well, it really left a good impression of the Iron Hands on me. Highlighting the difference of the way of thinking of Ferrus and his Legion, and setting up a growth arc for Ferrus that would never happen (see sig). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/321244-the-quintessential-black-library-bookstory-for-each-legion/#findComment-4361294 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Excessus Posted April 11, 2016 Share Posted April 11, 2016 The Alpha Legion reading list is: Legion, Deliverance Lost, The Primarchs(for The Serpent Beneath) and The Seventh Serpent. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/321244-the-quintessential-black-library-bookstory-for-each-legion/#findComment-4361525 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iduddy Posted April 11, 2016 Share Posted April 11, 2016 Unremembered Empire is a great book on Ultramarine civil philosophy. It also does a much better view of their tactical thinking for warfare, especially compared to Know No Fear, which is much more about their immediate reactions and disbelief from the sudden attack of the Word Bearers. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/321244-the-quintessential-black-library-bookstory-for-each-legion/#findComment-4361690 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amon777 Posted April 11, 2016 Share Posted April 11, 2016 It's sad that the best IHs story is fulgrim, but it really is. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/321244-the-quintessential-black-library-bookstory-for-each-legion/#findComment-4361778 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luna707 Posted April 11, 2016 Share Posted April 11, 2016 Is Meduson any good for IHs players? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/321244-the-quintessential-black-library-bookstory-for-each-legion/#findComment-4361843 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Memento Of Prospero Posted April 12, 2016 Share Posted April 12, 2016 It is, but Riven is just so hardcore, I fell off my chair when I finished it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/321244-the-quintessential-black-library-bookstory-for-each-legion/#findComment-4362027 Share on other sites More sharing options...
tdemayo Posted April 20, 2016 Share Posted April 20, 2016 I vote "Lightning Tower" for the IF. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/321244-the-quintessential-black-library-bookstory-for-each-legion/#findComment-4370478 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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