JAG Templar Posted April 13, 2016 Share Posted April 13, 2016 (edited) Hi all, I'm completely new to any form of miniature gaming, modelling etc. but I've taken a shine to the aesthetics and lore of the Black Templars, and started to build a crusade. I also like that there are no squad markings so there is more flexibility when deciding on a squad's loadout with regard to special and heavy weapons. Already painted include: 1 x EC (the stock standard Finecast one) Another EC based on a Forgeworld Imperial Fist commander (this was a very expensive way of doing things) 1 x Marshall (shield and sword) 1 x Marshall (shield and thunder hammer) 5 x Honour Guard and Banner 27 'shooty' Initiates with various special and heavy weapons (2x Melta gun, 1 plasma gun, 2 x power fist, 1 x missile launcher) 3 Sword Brethren (2 combi melta and lightening claw, 1 combi plasma and power sword) 10 stabby initiates 5 Sword Brethren TDA, Thunder hammer and SS 1 Las Razorback (bought it to experiment with air brush so that I could move on to LRC with confidence) 1 LRC 3 Dev Centurians, Grav cannon and missiles 5 drop pods 1 Storm Raven 2 ironclads 1 land speeder 2 StormTalons Current WIPs include: Saint Celestine! Culexus Assassin Already purchased: 5 vanguard vets Proposed purchases: Imperial Knight???? I'll photograph and post the painted stuff over the next few days, and although I've already stolen a lot of ideas from this forum I've got a plenty of questions: 1. Is it legit to create an Ironclad out of the Forgeworld Venerable Dread model just because he looks cool provided that the weapons are correct? 2. Can I model my stabby Initiates on 34mm bases and still use some of my old Sword Brethren on 25mm bases to lead the squad? 3. Can I make dreadnought drop pods by leaving out the centre console, instead of buying the ugly (and horrifically over priced) Forgeworld ones? Pictures to follow. Cheers Edited August 18, 2021 by JAG Templar Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/321414-jags-crusade-relapse/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAG Templar Posted April 13, 2016 Author Share Posted April 13, 2016 (edited) I've gone for a dirty and damaged theme for my Crusade based on the fact that Templars are more than likely to be getting up close and personal with their enemies. Start with a sample of shooty Initiates (30 in total including the SBs) Edited April 13, 2016 by JAG Templar Honda 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/321414-jags-crusade-relapse/#findComment-4363493 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mytimeprez Posted April 13, 2016 Share Posted April 13, 2016 To answer your questions: 1. The base of the model doesn't matter as low as it is a dreadnought body with the correct weapons. 2. GW has advised in the past that you play the models on the bases they were supplied with. So, shouldn't be an issue. 3. That's what I have always done. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/321414-jags-crusade-relapse/#findComment-4363494 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quixus Posted April 13, 2016 Share Posted April 13, 2016 (edited) 1. If you are buying from forgeworld anyway, why not use the MKIV Ironclad? Otherwise I see no problem with using a different body as long as the wargear is correctly represented. 3. Even though they do not call it that anymore, what FW sells as a dreadnought drop pod, looks suspiciously like the Lucius pattern drop pod from IAA2. So there shouldn't be a problem using the normal drop pod kit to make a normal drop pod carrying a dreadnought. According to C:SM it is the same unit as the "infantry drop pod". Edited April 13, 2016 by Quixus Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/321414-jags-crusade-relapse/#findComment-4363521 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Mattias Posted April 13, 2016 Share Posted April 13, 2016 Welcome to the Eternal Crusade, brother! I like the gritty look you have gone for, it always seems particularly appropriate for Black Templars. I am currently doing the same thing with the FW BT venerable, having secured the ironclad arms/weapons separately. In fact all three of my dreads are a regular/venerable base. I like adorn them with shields to play up to the 'ironclad' theme, but the loadout is really all that matters. I haven't yet got any models on the new base sizes, and will probably just accept the mixed-up inevitability of any new purchases being on larger ones. I use the regular pods for my dreads too and intend to leave a couple of newly-built ones without the centre console just as you describe. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/321414-jags-crusade-relapse/#findComment-4363599 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAG Templar Posted April 14, 2016 Author Share Posted April 14, 2016 Cool - thanks for those replies, very helpful. This is a Marshall that I modeled a while back before I started painting marines en masse (apparently you're supposed to paint rank and file first but it didn't seem as fun). All comments/ suggestions welcome, although I'm pretty much committed to the dirt and damage theme now: Marshal Mattias, Brother Christopher, Dosjetka and 1 other 4 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/321414-jags-crusade-relapse/#findComment-4364582 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ciler Posted April 14, 2016 Share Posted April 14, 2016 Well done ! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/321414-jags-crusade-relapse/#findComment-4364776 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Closet Skeleton Posted April 14, 2016 Share Posted April 14, 2016 I'm using the Space Woof Dread for my BT Ironclad. The conversion work has stalled though. Most of my Blood Angels Dreads are from the wrong kit, only my Assault on Black Reach dreads get used as what they're supposed to be and I'll probably arm swap my Black Templar one into another Iron Clad. 2. Can I model my stabby Initiates on 34mm bases and still use some of my old Sword Brethren on 25mm bases to lead the squad? It might look a bit stupid. Usually you want the leaders to have the bigger base. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/321414-jags-crusade-relapse/#findComment-4365341 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAG Templar Posted April 15, 2016 Author Share Posted April 15, 2016 Yeah, I guess I was checking for legality but there is the potential to look stupid as well. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/321414-jags-crusade-relapse/#findComment-4365640 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ciler Posted April 15, 2016 Share Posted April 15, 2016 Legally there's no problem with having models on 25mm bases. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/321414-jags-crusade-relapse/#findComment-4365880 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAG Templar Posted April 23, 2016 Author Share Posted April 23, 2016 Hi all, Just a quick WIP update on my Honour Guard. Robes can be tricky! Psykic_scribe 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/321414-jags-crusade-relapse/#findComment-4374012 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Mattias Posted April 23, 2016 Share Posted April 23, 2016 Niiiiice. Love the banner! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/321414-jags-crusade-relapse/#findComment-4374033 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cognative Posted April 24, 2016 Share Posted April 24, 2016 (edited) Damn! How'd you do the banner? Rather, what is it made out of? Edited April 24, 2016 by Cognative Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/321414-jags-crusade-relapse/#findComment-4374125 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ciler Posted April 24, 2016 Share Posted April 24, 2016 That banner oh my. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/321414-jags-crusade-relapse/#findComment-4374186 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAG Templar Posted April 24, 2016 Author Share Posted April 24, 2016 (edited) Hey thanks. I found this when looking for Templarish shields in Empire bits from Warhammer Fantasy. It's an 'Empire General's Standard'. Added a shield and some chain, sanded some Empire iconography off it. I thought that quite a few people would have already done this kit bash for Black Templars as it has a cross on the hammer (well a lot of Empire stuff has crosses on it). Edited April 24, 2016 by JAG Templar Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/321414-jags-crusade-relapse/#findComment-4374254 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quixus Posted April 24, 2016 Share Posted April 24, 2016 Looking good, especially the banner. I think PAGK helmets would have looked better. The TDA helmets look a tad oversized. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/321414-jags-crusade-relapse/#findComment-4374270 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAG Templar Posted April 24, 2016 Author Share Posted April 24, 2016 Yeah, I think at the time of build I was struggling to find 5 PA helmets (they seem to be a very popular bit). Also not that happy with the Scibor shoulder pads but bought them so felt obliged to use them. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/321414-jags-crusade-relapse/#findComment-4374754 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal_Roujakis Posted April 25, 2016 Share Posted April 25, 2016 Yeah the Scibor Power Armor shoulder pads don't work very well with the standard Space Marine model arms, especially the old ones, they are rather short and usually the GW shoulder pads reach into the armor covering up the arm-torso joints quite well, the Scibor sort of sticks out of the shoulder and doesn't cover it up... it's also just a tad bit smaller than GW shoulder pads. I normally only use Scibor TDA pads since they make them the right sizes... Love the style of your Templars, and not even a single mould line to be seen as well, well done :D and welcome to the Eternal Crusade. Where's the Champion though... I've went through the gallery and spotted a few more nice things, but I didn't see the Champion of the Emperor ;) As for the questions: Yes, but I'd be careful in buying arm weapons from FW, some arm attachments only work on certain dreadnoughts, and the GW standard dreadnought arms don't align properly to other dreadnoughts, you might end up just cutting off the peg and either pinning the arm with your own peg or gluing it into a permanent position.As stated, you can, although if you're using Assault Marines or Vanguard w/ Jump Packs or Jump Pack Characters you may be asked to use 32mm bases, it is because of the HoW rules... it counts the number of units your model is in base contact with, models with smaller bases can hit more enemies by being lodged into the thick of them while the bigger based one can on;y have a max of 2-3 models in base contact with them. Also, you'd want to put a bigger base on units that are back or front heavy or those that have banners, the bigger base can help in stability especially in uneven terrain.This shouldn't be an issue, in fact you're not supposed to use the FW Lucius Drop Pod as those things have their own rules which are found in IAv2: Warmachines of the Adeptus Astartes. I do the same thing with my Dreadnought Drop Pods, with the addition of silver paint on the fins denoting that they are Dreadnought Drop Pods Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/321414-jags-crusade-relapse/#findComment-4374956 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAG Templar Posted April 25, 2016 Author Share Posted April 25, 2016 Oh right. Here is my current EC. His markings are likely to seem too 'chaplainy' to some but I really didn't know what I was doing at the start. Working on another one using Forgeworld Templar Brethren shoulder pads (wish they came as a set of ten or something rather than the weapons upgrade pack). Brother Christopher and Marshal_Roujakis 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/321414-jags-crusade-relapse/#findComment-4375113 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firepower Posted April 25, 2016 Share Posted April 25, 2016 Doesn't seem too Chaplainy to me. The one thing that stands out is the pistol holster. It's pretty bright and pristine compared to the battered and dirty Champion himself. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/321414-jags-crusade-relapse/#findComment-4375490 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal_Roujakis Posted April 26, 2016 Share Posted April 26, 2016 Doesn't seem too Chaplainy to me. The shoulder pad guide from the 4th ed. BT Codex, White Cross, Black Pad is Chaplain... tsk, tsk, tsk... but, he could have been a Chaplain who received the vision from the Emperor... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/321414-jags-crusade-relapse/#findComment-4375905 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAG Templar Posted April 26, 2016 Author Share Posted April 26, 2016 Yeah, nice spotting. I didn't really notice the super-clean holster but it will be rectified. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/321414-jags-crusade-relapse/#findComment-4376120 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firepower Posted April 26, 2016 Share Posted April 26, 2016 Yeah, nice spotting. I didn't really notice the super-clean holster but it will be rectified. It is what I do. You will come to hate it. :teehee: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/321414-jags-crusade-relapse/#findComment-4376443 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAG Templar Posted May 26, 2016 Author Share Posted May 26, 2016 Some ETL WIPs from my first vow. May have overdone the shoulder damage but otherwise happy. C and C welcome. Highlights and base still to finish. Brother Chaplain Ryld, Honda, mytimeprez and 3 others 6 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/321414-jags-crusade-relapse/#findComment-4404856 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Chaplain Ryld Posted May 26, 2016 Share Posted May 26, 2016 Looks awesome Brother. I'll use your Ironclad as inspiration for when I paint mine!! JAG Templar 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/321414-jags-crusade-relapse/#findComment-4404863 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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