MakoBoy88 Posted April 16, 2016 Share Posted April 16, 2016 Is it possible in a 2500 point game/ list, to warrant taking out 500 points of Astartes and spending them on SA or Militia? I have my 2500 points of Imperial Fists, and I would be dropping a Kheres Contemptor, Autocannons HWSS, Chaplain, some Breacher toys and that's about it to fund this little allied detachment, but I can't seem to make a list that would warrant me doing it. What I am trying to get out of it is more backfield superiority. Which is what my Fists are all about. So with breachers on the mid table holding ground, my Spartan filled with Polux and his lads shooting up the table, I need more than my Vindicators holding my backfield. Thoughts? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/321502-loyalist-sa-or-militia-allies/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
God-Potato of Mankind Posted April 16, 2016 Share Posted April 16, 2016 Definitely worth it with Auxilia. They have some seriously tasty heavy firepower and heavy armour to back you up. A Malcador Infernus incinierates nigh anything it touches. A wealth of cheap infantry can easily provide voluminous fire support. Dracosians with a demolisher, filled with volkite chargers is also excellent. A Lord Marshal kitted out with Household retinue with power axes can be a great CC deterrent or to charge suicide drop pods like plasma & melta support. Their Lleman Russes are ubiquitously excellent - the FA slot gets outflank and the HS slot gets +1BS for every tank in the squadron. If you want pure fire support backfield - invest in some quad mortars. Frag & shatter shells are the shizzle for 60pts a piece. 3 mortars drowns a squad in small blast templates and pinns 'em with -1ld. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/321502-loyalist-sa-or-militia-allies/#findComment-4366954 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted April 16, 2016 Share Posted April 16, 2016 For 500 Points? +++ 500 of whatevs (500pts) +++ ++ Solar Auxilia (Age of Darkness) (500pts) ++ + HQ (60pts) + Legate Commander (60pts) [Charnabal sabre, Cyber-familiar] + Troops (150pts) + Auxilia Infantry Tercio (150pts) [Aegis Defence Line, Auxilia Lasrifle Section] + Heavy Support (290pts) + Auxilia Malcador Infernus Special Weapons Tank (290pts) [Chemical Ammunition] Is what I'd go for. Gives you 20 Lasrifle Bodies, an ADL and a Super-Heavy Tank with an 18" Torrent, Poisoned 2+ ap2 Hellstorm Template. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/321502-loyalist-sa-or-militia-allies/#findComment-4367331 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThatOneMarshal Posted April 17, 2016 Share Posted April 17, 2016 I think you still need another troop choice slips, unless the auxilia have a different FOC. Still, maybe get rid of the aegis and maybe the options on the legate and then that might free some points. Otherwise it's a pretty mean list. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/321502-loyalist-sa-or-militia-allies/#findComment-4367566 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted April 17, 2016 Share Posted April 17, 2016 Allied Detachment Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/321502-loyalist-sa-or-militia-allies/#findComment-4367567 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThatOneMarshal Posted April 17, 2016 Share Posted April 17, 2016 Doh! That's what I get for not reading. I could definetly see a solar auxilia detachment helping out fists though since they both like to be on the defensive. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/321502-loyalist-sa-or-militia-allies/#findComment-4367568 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted April 17, 2016 Share Posted April 17, 2016 Yeah, Its why theres an ADL to give them a better save and why literally the minimum was spent on the HQ. You could shift the 15 points used in upgrades on him onto other things if you wanted to. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/321502-loyalist-sa-or-militia-allies/#findComment-4367569 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted April 17, 2016 Share Posted April 17, 2016 I messed around with the militia from the fifth book but found them underwhelming. I've heard great things about SA though. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/321502-loyalist-sa-or-militia-allies/#findComment-4367596 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MakoBoy88 Posted April 17, 2016 Author Share Posted April 17, 2016 Hmm, although the Infernus is quality, it's not too in keeping with theme. Although the bodies behind Aegis lines is.. I like that. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/321502-loyalist-sa-or-militia-allies/#findComment-4367747 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted April 17, 2016 Share Posted April 17, 2016 Thing is, the infernus shoots preetty dang far what with 18" torrent and a hellstorm template. The SA are very much a Tank Heavy Army what with having malcadors in heavy support and the various leman russ' and artillery tanks. Even their Dracosans can have a Demolisher cannon. If you want a backfield force its either Lasrifles behind an ADL and Rapiers (legion ones are better at this point) artillery tanks or leeman russ' with the range (vanquishers mostly) are what youll end up looking at. Especially as a 500 point alloed detachment, you want to make the most of it and the Chem Infernus does something the Legions cant and thats having an Ap2 Poisoned 2+ 18" Torrent Hellstorm template. You can go for 2 Lasrifles behind 2 ADLs and a few rapiers for backfield camping and theyll tough it out like champs (2+ cover with go to ground) but you aint getting much firepower in return. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/321502-loyalist-sa-or-militia-allies/#findComment-4367749 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted April 17, 2016 Share Posted April 17, 2016 Solar Auxilia allied detachment is best with a Tank commander as a Hq, a blob of lasrifle infantry and a Malcador Infernus lol. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/321502-loyalist-sa-or-militia-allies/#findComment-4367867 Share on other sites More sharing options...
God-Potato of Mankind Posted April 17, 2016 Share Posted April 17, 2016 Solar Auxilia allied detachment is best with a Tank commander as a Hq, a blob of lasrifle infantry and a Malcador Infernus lol. I don't think you can use a tank commander with the Infernus. The book specifically states: Lleman Russes, Malcador Heavy Tank and Malcador Valdor. As it specified the difference betwixt Malcadors, I thought it quite clear the infernus wasn't added. Which sucks.....cos...the bonuses ontop of the usual stats would rock. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/321502-loyalist-sa-or-militia-allies/#findComment-4368066 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted April 17, 2016 Share Posted April 17, 2016 Solar Auxilia allied detachment is best with a Tank commander as a Hq, a blob of lasrifle infantry and a Malcador Infernus lol. Thing is, a Legate is cheaper than the Tank Commander who doesn't really benefit the Infernus he'd be sitting in. If the list had a Vanquisher, then yeah, totally that the Tank Commander. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/321502-loyalist-sa-or-militia-allies/#findComment-4368070 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MakoBoy88 Posted April 17, 2016 Author Share Posted April 17, 2016 Hmm yeah it's a good idea. As would be unique. But not a great fan of the Lacador Chasis model. But that's just me. Rapiers might not be a bad idea as Stone Gauntlet forbids me from having more elites and stuff. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/321502-loyalist-sa-or-militia-allies/#findComment-4368072 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted April 17, 2016 Share Posted April 17, 2016 Solar Auxilia allied detachment is best with a Tank commander as a Hq, a blob of lasrifle infantry and a Malcador Infernus lol. Thing is, a Legate is cheaper than the Tank Commander who doesn't really benefit the Infernus he'd be sitting in. If the list had a Vanquisher, then yeah, totally that the Tank Commander. Tank Commander benefits the Infernus immensely. Gives it preferred enemy AND overwatch, as well as bs4 for the Las Cannon sponsons. Mandatory upgrades imo Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/321502-loyalist-sa-or-militia-allies/#findComment-4368123 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted April 17, 2016 Share Posted April 17, 2016 Maybe I just dont rate singular lascannons on a tank all that well but paying 55 for PE on Auto-Hit 2+ To wound, sure it makes it much more efficient and D6 Autohit Overwatch but to me thats pretty ehhh when compared to a tank commander buffing a unit of, say, 3 Vanquishers. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/321502-loyalist-sa-or-militia-allies/#findComment-4368124 Share on other sites More sharing options...
God-Potato of Mankind Posted April 18, 2016 Share Posted April 18, 2016 Solar Auxilia allied detachment is best with a Tank commander as a Hq, a blob of lasrifle infantry and a Malcador Infernus lol.Thing is, a Legate is cheaper than the Tank Commander who doesn't really benefit the Infernus he'd be sitting in. If the list had a Vanquisher, then yeah, totally that the Tank Commander. Tank Commander benefits the Infernus immensely. Gives it preferred enemy AND overwatch, as well as bs4 for the Las Cannon sponsons. Mandatory upgrades imo Still pretty sure you can't use the Tank Commander on the Infernus. Unless somebody wants to correct me, because I'd love to have a PE Infernus. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/321502-loyalist-sa-or-militia-allies/#findComment-4368529 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown Legionnaire Posted April 18, 2016 Share Posted April 18, 2016 The entry for the SA Tank Commander just lists 'Malcador Tank' as one of the possible rides for his highness. So, as it doesn't specify 'Malcador Heavy Tank' nor 'Malcador Infernus Special Weapon Tank' both seem to be perfectly valid choices, since both are Malcador Tanks. On the topic in general: Yes, SA boasts a lot of firepower ... but so does a Warp Cult / Militia list in the right configuration. SA can get tough as nails dedicated transports for their troop choices as well. But Warp Cult / Militia is a helluva lot more customisable than the SA, again depending on your selection of unit combinations and Provenances. Yeah, not all Provenances are equally powerful, but the Cult list in general can be tailored to the needs for an Allied Detachment very specifically. Some combinations are even perfectly valid as a Primary Detachment, delegating the Legion components of your list to the allied part. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/321502-loyalist-sa-or-militia-allies/#findComment-4368550 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MakoBoy88 Posted April 18, 2016 Author Share Posted April 18, 2016 Essentially, themeatically, I want some men to arm the walls. Multiple Aegis lines of overlapping quad guns could be good. Specially if I purchase a Bastion too. The problem then arises of actually winning games etc. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/321502-loyalist-sa-or-militia-allies/#findComment-4368594 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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