Sir Ovbov Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 Hi, I am in the middle of making and magnetizing a command squad and I was wondering if the Sanguinary Novitiate is stuck with with the Chainsword and the Narthecium like is stated in the Codex or if they are classed as "Veterans" so have access to the same as the others in the squad. I am thinking that it is only the Chainsword but I was wondering what you lot think. Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blindhamster Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 Stuck with their basic gear sadly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grazcruzk Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 Yeah, much to our collective dismay. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Ovbov Posted April 21, 2016 Author Share Posted April 21, 2016 That's a shame but at least I don't have to use magnets on him xD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 Because there is no definition of the order in which upgrades happen, you can (poorly) argue that he CAN take extra gear, but it's a circular argument and not worth it. We're stuck with a FNP bunny I'm afraid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolemai Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 Because there is no definition of the order in which upgrades happen, you can (poorly) argue that he CAN take extra gear, but it's a circular argument and not worth it. We're stuck with a FNP bunny I'm afraid. That argument isn't applicable for us as the Priest (and Champion) isn't an upgrade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 Because there is no definition of the order in which upgrades happen, you can (poorly) argue that he CAN take extra gear, but it's a circular argument and not worth it. We're stuck with a FNP bunny I'm afraid. That argument isn't applicable for us as the Priest (and Champion) isn't an upgrade. Derp. Always forget that. Maybe I'm just remembering it as better than it is on purpose xD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolemai Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 Personally I prefer it written that way as there's less scope for argument... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 Agreed. Hopefully it's something that will be addressed in the next lot of Marine dex' as a whole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Unseen Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 I'm happy there isn't room for argument with ours, but I still think its pretty silly our company champion can't customize his equipment in any way. And I would be fine with the Sanguinary Novitiate not having options, (afterall, hes probably to busy patching guys up to bother carrying a meltagun) if they gave the Narthecium a decent weapon profile. Fluffwise it's supposed to crack power armour open to get to the geneseed quickly during battle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 Honestly, the company champion is such a ridiculous concept as is. He's literally there to eat a challenge for whatever HQ you have and then probably die or do no damage because ap3. WS5 is nice, but I think he could do with having 2W or a storm shield. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Ovbov Posted April 21, 2016 Author Share Posted April 21, 2016 I think our command squads should have access to JP, like the dark angels have their bikes, it is something that should be available for us but isn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolemai Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 I think our command squads should have access to JP, like the dark angels have their bikes, it is something that should be available for us but isn't. With all due respect, I would recommend reading your Codex again :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spagunk Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 I am pretty sure the only option for us is JP on our command squad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Ovbov Posted April 21, 2016 Author Share Posted April 21, 2016 I was testing you xD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Ovbov Posted April 21, 2016 Author Share Posted April 21, 2016 But now I have to magnetize his back :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Unseen Posted April 22, 2016 Share Posted April 22, 2016 Well, I think veteran marines should all have 2 wounds. You, Veteran Sergeant Barethiel, have been selected to continue the glorious traditions of the 4th Company as it's new Captain, Emperors Peace to your predecessor. Immediately gain 2 additional wounds, 2 WS, 1 BS, 1 Attack, and a point of leadership, and congratulations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted April 22, 2016 Share Posted April 22, 2016 Well, I think veteran marines should all have 2 wounds. You, Veteran Sergeant Barethiel, have been selected to continue the glorious traditions of the 4th Company as it's new Captain, Emperors Peace to your predecessor. Immediately gain 2 additional wounds, 2 WS, 1 BS, 1 Attack, and a point of leadership, and congratulations. Couldn't agree more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blindhamster Posted April 22, 2016 Share Posted April 22, 2016 Yep I've always thought veterans should have 2 wounds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helias_Tancred Posted April 23, 2016 Share Posted April 23, 2016 Agreed as well on the Veterans and 2 wounds topic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
appiah4 Posted April 25, 2016 Share Posted April 25, 2016 2W veterans would completely mess up the meta unless it comes with a points cost reflection. Moreover it would make 2+ units, especially ones with saves (Terminators, Paladins, Sanguinary Guard and whatnot) impossible to kill. 2W is overkill imo. If anything, I feel veteran marines should be BS5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted April 25, 2016 Share Posted April 25, 2016 2W veterans would completely mess up the meta unless it comes with a points cost reflection. Moreover it would make 2+ units, especially ones with saves (Terminators, Paladins, Sanguinary Guard and whatnot) impossible to kill. 2W is overkill imo. If anything, I feel veteran marines should be BS5. I was going to post something similar to you here Appiah5 but forgot lol. I really like 2W vets, it makes a lot of sense as then Chaplains/ Librarians/ Priests are Vets with more special training. Sure the points would need to go up, but I don't think by much. Or the alternative for me would be the following: Veteran Sergeant's and Terminators get 2W. Sternguard/ Tactical terms get BS5. Vanguard/ Assault Terms get WS5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Unseen Posted April 25, 2016 Share Posted April 25, 2016 Of course it would require a price increase. Ws5, bs5, 2w, stern guard an vanguard go up, but terminaters might be worth 40 pts with those stats. Also, paladins exist, and theyre no where near impossible to kill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frater Antodeniel Posted April 25, 2016 Share Posted April 25, 2016 Command Squad Champion with Eviscerator option. (In the Flesh Tearers "Trial by Blood", Harahel, the Flesh Tearers Company(Chapter) Champion wield an Eviscerator...) - Artificer armour and Eviscerator (Eviscerator just for Blood Angels Codex) options for the Company Champion. (After all, he is supposed to possess the wargears that befits his function). - Vanguard/Sterngard veterans with 2 wounds, and BS/WS 5 for the whole squad. - 2 Wounds, plus BS/WS 5 for Terminators. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkangilos Posted April 25, 2016 Share Posted April 25, 2016 Yeah, I don't much care about the 2w, but I think command squads need more options, and the champion should be able to choose any war gear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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