Charlo Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 Okay so, the rules for Terminator armour state that if a type isn't specified in the entry, the rules follow what is on the model. Deathshroud are one such unit. Now FW obviously sells them in Tartaros, but following the rules does this mean I could potentially turn some BaC terms into deathshroud with scythes and hand flamers for Cataphractii Deathshroud? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/321687-deathshroud-in-cataphractii/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atia Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 Okay so, the rules for Terminator armour state that if a type isn't specified in the entry, the rules follow what is on the model. Deathshroud are one such unit. Now FW obviously sells them in Tartaros, but following the rules does this mean I could potentially turn some BaC terms into deathshroud with scythes and hand flamers for Cataphractii Deathshroud? I dont have the new red book, but does it there still state terminator armour instead of tartaros? That said - I would love some Cataphractii Deathshroud for Typhon <3 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/321687-deathshroud-in-cataphractii/#findComment-4371930 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted April 21, 2016 Author Share Posted April 21, 2016 I just got it and that's what spurred me on to suggest this :) So yeah they are just listed as terminator. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/321687-deathshroud-in-cataphractii/#findComment-4371936 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atia Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 I just got it and that's what spurred me on to suggest this So yeah they are just listed as terminator. That. Is. Awesome. Will ask them via facebook, maybe we will get an answer this way :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/321687-deathshroud-in-cataphractii/#findComment-4371944 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amayasu Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 I've been wondering this too, and I think it's fine to do. The rules are clear - you choose the type of Terminator armour when the model doesn't list a specific type. I've just been waiting for Kromlech to release their Scythes! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/321687-deathshroud-in-cataphractii/#findComment-4371957 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted April 21, 2016 Author Share Posted April 21, 2016 I've been wondering this too, and I think it's fine to do. The rules are clear - you choose the type of Terminator armour when the model doesn't like a specific type. I've just been waiting for Kromlech to release their Scythes! You and me both. My sergeants need weapons! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/321687-deathshroud-in-cataphractii/#findComment-4371962 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 Id be cool with it...if they didnt have an official model to go off of. Seeing as they do... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/321687-deathshroud-in-cataphractii/#findComment-4371964 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sevatar Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 I believe they are usual 2+/5++ Terminators. Given that a) they look like normal Terminators and b) if they were Cataphractii FW would have modelled them as such and would have explicitly stated so in their rules, it seems fairly simple to me. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/321687-deathshroud-in-cataphractii/#findComment-4371968 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atia Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 I believe they are usual 2+/5++ Terminators. Given that a) they look like normal Terminators and if they were Cataphractii FW would have modelled them as such and would have explicitly stated so in their rules, it seems fairly simple to me. Yet keep in mind, Phoenix Terminators have stated their Tartaros armour (i think so? Or did they also changed that, which would be ace too?). And i think Justaerin have Cataphractii in their profile. But at the end, it may also just an oversight, happened through copy and paste Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/321687-deathshroud-in-cataphractii/#findComment-4371973 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frater Cornelius Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 Before jumping all over the Cataphractii, remember that Tartarus TDA can sweep. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/321687-deathshroud-in-cataphractii/#findComment-4371975 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amayasu Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 Id be cool with it...if they didnt have an official model to go off of. Seeing as they do... Not sure that's entirely fair. I can't buy a Corax with Heavy Bolter, but I can field it, for example. Models often lag behind rules, and especially in the HH line there's an element of modelling/converting. My intention has always been to model them anyway when Kromlech release their stuff, simply as I prefer the look of Cataphractii. I can also play Tartaros rules if it's FAQ'd or clarified. Before jumping all over the Cataphractii, remember that Tartarus TDA can sweep. But in a unit with Typhon they can't, right? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/321687-deathshroud-in-cataphractii/#findComment-4371977 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atia Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 Immersturm, on 21 Apr 2016 - 6:45 PM, said: Before jumping all over the Cataphractii, remember that Tartarus TDA can sweep. But in a unit with Typhon they can't, right? Exactly that. Tartaros Deathshroud for Mortarion, and Cataphractii Deathshroud for Typhon <3 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/321687-deathshroud-in-cataphractii/#findComment-4371981 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amayasu Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 Immersturm, on 21 Apr 2016 - 6:45 PM, said: Before jumping all over the Cataphractii, remember that Tartarus TDA can sweep. But in a unit with Typhon they can't, right? Exactly that. Tartaros Deathshroud for Mortarion, and Cataphractii Deathshroud for Typhon <3 It makes you wonder if it's deliberate for that very reason. It's likely an oversight, but would be nice if ruled in favour of supporting both given the recent changes to Tartaros. There are pros and cons to both marks. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/321687-deathshroud-in-cataphractii/#findComment-4371984 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frater Cornelius Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 @ Amayasu - No. Only a unit entirely consisting of Tartarus Armours can. As for the official model: If a unit has the option of taking Terminator armour but does not specify a particular pattern, such as the Legion Terminator Squad entry, itspattern is that represented on the physical models used, and only a single type of Terminator armour may be chosen for the unit when included inyour army. - HH FAQ Deathshroud have models, so those should be consulted. Not sure if custom-made models apply though. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/321687-deathshroud-in-cataphractii/#findComment-4371985 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atia Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 Deathshroud have models, so those should be consulted. Not sure if custom-made models apply though. And yet, if i convert my own using Cataphractii i should be able to use them as that, RAW ;) we'll see what forgeworld says @facebook^^ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/321687-deathshroud-in-cataphractii/#findComment-4371996 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted April 21, 2016 Author Share Posted April 21, 2016 Hopefully FW answers D: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/321687-deathshroud-in-cataphractii/#findComment-4372115 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atia Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 Hopefully FW answers D: they did make of that what you want :/ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/321687-deathshroud-in-cataphractii/#findComment-4372119 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frater Cornelius Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 This tells me that that probably wasn't intended. Otherwise they would have said 'whatever' or just left it as it is. The fact that there is a grey area means something didn't go as planned. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/321687-deathshroud-in-cataphractii/#findComment-4372154 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noserenda Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 Cataphracti always made more sense for Death Guard anyway imho. Might spur on that pure Terminator Death Guard army ive been thinking of... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/321687-deathshroud-in-cataphractii/#findComment-4372245 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Loss Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 FW and their proof reading... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/321687-deathshroud-in-cataphractii/#findComment-4372257 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atia Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 Well guys. Would be great if you could write them via fb how cool Cata Deathshroud would be, and that they should stick with the option for both ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/321687-deathshroud-in-cataphractii/#findComment-4372264 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frater Cornelius Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 Well guys. Would be great if you could write them via fb how cool Cata Deathshroud would be, and that they should stick with the option for both This might cause a chain reaction with other factions wanting to choose, so they would need to introduce it for everyone. I don't think that this is a good idea. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/321687-deathshroud-in-cataphractii/#findComment-4372290 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted April 21, 2016 Author Share Posted April 21, 2016 Well guys. Would be great if you could write them via fb how cool Cata Deathshroud would be, and that they should stick with the option for both This might cause a chain reaction with other factions wanting to choose, so they would need to introduce it for everyone. I don't think that this is a good idea. No stipulation to do that at all! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/321687-deathshroud-in-cataphractii/#findComment-4372307 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuskRaider Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 Meh... I wouldn't get your hopes up. They've always been in Tartaros since FW made rules for them (despite their original concept in the HH Collections book showed them in Cataphractii). While it would be nice to have the option of Cataphractii, I don't expect them to rule that you can choose. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/321687-deathshroud-in-cataphractii/#findComment-4372316 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atia Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 Well guys. Would be great if you could write them via fb how cool Cata Deathshroud would be, and that they should stick with the option for both This might cause a chain reaction with other factions wanting to choose, so they would need to introduce it for everyone. I don't think that this is a good idea. Well to be fair. Even if it wasn't intended, they kind of added the option. Take it away now 'cause Charlo found the loophole wouln't be cool :/^^ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/321687-deathshroud-in-cataphractii/#findComment-4372317 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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