Charlo Posted April 21, 2016 Author Share Posted April 21, 2016 If everyone made a single Cata DS and posted it on the FB we might be able to do something "PLZ DON'T INVALIDATE MY MODELS." Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/321687-deathshroud-in-cataphractii/page/2/#findComment-4372376 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noserenda Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 Well guys. Would be great if you could write them via fb how cool Cata Deathshroud would be, and that they should stick with the option for both This might cause a chain reaction with other factions wanting to choose, so they would need to introduce it for everyone. I don't think that this is a good idea. I have no idea why this is a bad thing? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/321687-deathshroud-in-cataphractii/page/2/#findComment-4372385 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuskRaider Posted April 22, 2016 Share Posted April 22, 2016 While it would be nice if FW would make all Legion-specific Terminator units have the ability to choose their armour pattern (and they could definitely make sales off alternate models), I doubt they'll do this. I doubly doubt they'll do it for Deathshroud, as I don't see them giving the option to ONE unit and not the others. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/321687-deathshroud-in-cataphractii/page/2/#findComment-4372404 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corswain Posted April 22, 2016 Share Posted April 22, 2016 Fluff wise it's ok. I'm pretty sure in "The Lion" the Deathshroud were specifically mentioned as wearing cataphractii. Â Rules wise I don't see a problem either. No points difference in the armour and both have advantages and disadvanages. As long as your opponent is clear on the rules - why should there be an issue? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/321687-deathshroud-in-cataphractii/page/2/#findComment-4372405 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frater Cornelius Posted April 22, 2016 Share Posted April 22, 2016 Well guys. Would be great if you could write them via fb how cool Cata Deathshroud would be, and that they should stick with the option for both This might cause a chain reaction with other factions wanting to choose, so they would need to introduce it for everyone. I don't think that this is a good idea. I have no idea why this is a bad thing?Mainly because of established. If there isn't any, then it's fair game ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/321687-deathshroud-in-cataphractii/page/2/#findComment-4372538 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reyner Posted April 22, 2016 Share Posted April 22, 2016 Does the Tyrant Siege Terminators entry specifically state Cataphractii? Tartaros Tyrants could be fun... Overwatching with all their missiles... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/321687-deathshroud-in-cataphractii/page/2/#findComment-4372569 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atia Posted April 22, 2016 Share Posted April 22, 2016 Does the Tyrant Siege Terminators entry specifically state Cataphractii? Tartaros Tyrants could be fun... Overwatching with all their missiles... Afaik they are Cataphractii. Phoenix Guard are Tartaros. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/321687-deathshroud-in-cataphractii/page/2/#findComment-4372630 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robzilla Posted April 22, 2016 Share Posted April 22, 2016 Y'know, I understand why they don't, as it's the cheap solution that requires buying less models, but I wish they would give indominus armour its own rules. Heck, even if it was a token dip in points per model if chosen over cataphractii or Tartaros. Â Â Just when we do get to the siege and scouring and start seeing mk7 and indominus more prevalent etc, it'll be a shame to penalise the fluffy modelling with poor rules. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/321687-deathshroud-in-cataphractii/page/2/#findComment-4372663 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leman Russ SW Posted April 22, 2016 Share Posted April 22, 2016 Gorgon's wear Indominus and they cause blind tests if they make a save. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/321687-deathshroud-in-cataphractii/page/2/#findComment-4372677 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted April 22, 2016 Share Posted April 22, 2016 No, Gorgons Wear Gorgon-Pattern. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/321687-deathshroud-in-cataphractii/page/2/#findComment-4372680 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atia Posted April 22, 2016 Share Posted April 22, 2016 No, Gorgons Wear Gorgon-Pattern. Slips is correct. Â Gorgon pattern is based upon Indomitus, but got improved by Ferrus. And is basically a giant bionic. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/321687-deathshroud-in-cataphractii/page/2/#findComment-4372747 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Praetor of Calth Posted April 22, 2016 Share Posted April 22, 2016 Screw Indomitus. I want Mk1 Terminator Armour. Although I wouldn't say no to prototype Indomitus set either. (Something like Redwake's armour.) Â BOT: I remember when the Deathshroud first came out, there was a large amount of uproar that the models weren't actually in Cataphracti plate. Deathshroud have always been depicted as Cataphracti, it was actually the models that broke the trend. Â I'd have absolutely no issue with someone using them as Cataphracti I they were appropriately modelled. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/321687-deathshroud-in-cataphractii/page/2/#findComment-4372880 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leman Russ SW Posted April 22, 2016 Share Posted April 22, 2016 Say in the entry it is a variant of Indominus.  The point I was trying to make was that the only unit currently available in it has a special rule attached to it to help differentiate from cataphractii and tartaros. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/321687-deathshroud-in-cataphractii/page/2/#findComment-4372887 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChapterGrim Posted September 1, 2016 Share Posted September 1, 2016 In fairness, RAR, Deathshroud have always been able to choose their armour pattern. However, with the latest rule set, it is absolutely clear that they do as a matter of absolute fact RAR/RAW have the ability to select their armour pattern (assuming they are modelled in it). The FAQ does state that the correct pattern will be stated absolutely in the Unit entry.Per the FAQ:"Terminator armour features a powerful support exoskeleton and internal energy supply, but pays for its unparalleled protection with bulk. A model in Terminator armour has the Relentless and Bulky special rules, and is not able to make Sweeping Advance moves unless otherwise specified. They also may not be transported in Rhino APCs. Terminator armour affords a 2+ armour save and a 5+ invulnerable save. Depending on its particular pattern, Terminator armour may also confer additional rules and abilities to its wearer.If a unit has the option of taking Terminator armour but does not specify a particular pattern, such as the Legion Terminator Squad entry, its pattern is that represented on the physical models used, and only a single type of Terminator armour may be chosen for the unit when included in your army."And:"A note on unique and variant Terminator armour: If a unit is described as being equipped with a particular additional variant of Terminator armour, such as the Gorgon Terminators of the Iron Hands, or as wearing a personalised and unique suit, such as the armour worn by the Primarch Horus, the rules for this armour will be provided in the unit’s description and should not be inferred from elsewhere."The "Favoured of Mortarion" entry:"In addition to being an HQ choice in their own right, a Deathshroud Terminator unit may be chosen as a bodyguard for any Terminator armour-equipped Praetor of the Death Guard (or the Primarch Mortarion himself). Deathshroud Terminators must always be modelled/painted to be visually distinct from standard Legion Terminator squads to avoid confusion."Additionally (in case it came up), as has always been the case; [under] Legion Specific Units & Wargear:"Deathshroud Terminator squads may be chosen as Elites choices for a Death Guard Space Marine Legion force or replace its Command squads."Hopefully, that clears things up. These are the current rules, and as the Deathshroud entry itself does not specify, and the "Favoured of Mortarion" rule expands, they CAN choose...Abaddon has by far the coolest Terminator armour rules outside of Primarchs. Rule of cool (and gentlemanly agreement) generally allows Primarchs to Deep Strike where Terminators would gain the rule. As only a minority of Primarchs have actual Terminator Armour...Most Legion Specifics are Cataphractii, only Phoenix Guard are not, and hypothetically should have an Artificer Armoured option...I'd really like to see Imperial Fists Huscarl Terminators released, maybe an Indomitus Variant with a 4++, those Storm Shields, maybe as a specific bodyguard unit for Dorn or something...It'd be cool...Devourers, Morlocks and Shadow Wardens would be cool too...The Pyre Guard of Vulkan, are highly unlikely...http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Space_Marine_Honour_Guard_Squad​ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/321687-deathshroud-in-cataphractii/page/2/#findComment-4487255 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atia Posted September 1, 2016 Share Posted September 1, 2016 Most Legion Specifics are Cataphractii, only Phoenix Guard are not, and hypothetically should have an Artificer Armoured option... Â I'd really like to see Imperial Fists Huscarl Terminators released, maybe an Indomitus Variant with a 4++, those Storm Shields, maybe as a specific bodyguard unit for Dorn or something... It'd be cool... Nope they no longer need one, as you can use phoenix spears on your palatine blades now ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/321687-deathshroud-in-cataphractii/page/2/#findComment-4487284 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kizzdougs Posted September 1, 2016 Share Posted September 1, 2016 Most Legion Specifics are Cataphractii, only Phoenix Guard are not, and hypothetically should have an Artificer Armoured option... I'd really like to see Imperial Fists Huscarl Terminators released, maybe an Indomitus Variant with a 4++, those Storm Shields, maybe as a specific bodyguard unit for Dorn or something... It'd be cool... Nope they no longer need one, as you can use phoenix spears on your palatine blades now Except Palatine Blades don't have artificer armour (apart from the Prefector)... Being able to take an Apothecary helps, but Palatine Blades are still ridiculously squishy compared to Templar Brethren, Suzerains etc. They're devastating on the charge but nearly always melt away in the next turn or two. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/321687-deathshroud-in-cataphractii/page/2/#findComment-4487390 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuskRaider Posted September 1, 2016 Share Posted September 1, 2016 This topic has been open for 6 months, has anyone actually contacted FW and asked about this or is it all just conjecture? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/321687-deathshroud-in-cataphractii/page/2/#findComment-4487404 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted September 2, 2016 Author Share Posted September 2, 2016 I'll do it now... Will report back! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/321687-deathshroud-in-cataphractii/page/2/#findComment-4487792 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Withershadow Posted January 29, 2017 Share Posted January 29, 2017 Curious if anything came out of this? With the scythes finally available to be purchased separately, making Cataphractii Death Shroud is super easy. But is it legal? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/321687-deathshroud-in-cataphractii/page/2/#findComment-4637459 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuskRaider Posted January 29, 2017 Share Posted January 29, 2017 I contacted FW via FB and they said that Deathshroud can wear any Terminator armour as long as it's modeled correctly. So you can, in fact, have Cataphractii Deathshroud. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/321687-deathshroud-in-cataphractii/page/2/#findComment-4637639 Share on other sites More sharing options...
lanceqi Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 I contacted FW via FB and they said that Deathshroud can wear any Terminator armour as long as it's modeled correctly. So you can, in fact, have Cataphractii Deathshroud. That's big. Can you please provide some screenshots about that?:P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/321687-deathshroud-in-cataphractii/page/2/#findComment-4638116 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted January 30, 2017 Author Share Posted January 30, 2017 Heard varying conflicting emails. That's about it for me. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/321687-deathshroud-in-cataphractii/page/2/#findComment-4638239 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuskRaider Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h169/DuskRaiderXIV/Mobile%20Uploads/Screenshot_20170130-235009_zps9dmxbxdg.png Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/321687-deathshroud-in-cataphractii/page/2/#findComment-4639030 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dagoth Ur Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 Alright, looks like Cataphractii Deathshroud are a thing :) Now just to scrounge up the money... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/321687-deathshroud-in-cataphractii/page/2/#findComment-4639065 Share on other sites More sharing options...
lanceqi Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 So it's official now. Deathshrouds are beasts :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/321687-deathshroud-in-cataphractii/page/2/#findComment-4639154 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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