List Blindness

[MakoBoy88]

Ok so seriously, who else suffers from this and how do you get over it.

 

Here are the stages of List Blindness.

 

1) you look at a list you have been happy with for a while and something niggles at you, and you don't know what it is but it seems either unfluffy, out of theme, uncompetitive whatever it may be.

 

2) you start trying to correct the list, but because you don't know what niggled, you can't correct anything and end up getting caught up in new ideas

 

3) you end up makin new list after new list with a bunch of new ideas (In my case, having completely lost the point of Stone Gauntlet, I find myself looking at Hammerfall)

 

4) then the same thing happens with these new lists because you still don't know what it was that evaded you about your original list.

 

5) you end up posting new threads on forums asking for some guidance on how to get back on track.

 

Anyone else? What is the right idea. Leave it for a day or two and come back later? Move onto another project?

[Slips]

...kinda sounds like ADD >_>

 

I can't say I've ever experienced this since I always know what I want to get out of any list I decide to vomit forth.

 

It might also be due to inexperience/confidence thing.

 

Breaking it down:

1. Should never really be an issue unless you're going out of your way to create a WAAC List. Even "power" lists can be fluffy in 30k. It's how you go about it.
2. Instead of Correcting, trying creating a second list with the first one as inspiration and see where it takes you. Dont try to carbon copy it. Look at it, try and decipher what your original intent with the list was and go from there.
3. See #2
4. See #2
5. Never stop asking for advice even if your 100% certain on what you're doing.

I literally just go "I want to see if I can use units X/Y/Z In a list." and go from there and it usually just...works out? Mostly because I have a stable of Staple units that I can more or less slap into any list and know they'd be able to perform.

[Charlo]

I was obsessed with list hammering my DG got months. The cure?

 

I eventually got a concept instead of a full list. I'm going to run the reaping or creeping death with siege elements, leaning on infantry.

 

Now I have that I can just buy things, paint them and see how it goes. I can always add other stuff later.

[MakoBoy88]

Thanks Slips and Charlo!

 

Maybe you're right about WAAC, which is weird because that's really not how I play.

 

For the last 10 years Iv played 40k and Fantasy and been able to come up with a list and stick to it, whether it be Plague Marines, Dwarfs or Iron Hands.

 

But with Imperial Fists, I am trying to play to Polux's strengths and am having trouble deciding how best that is etc

 

And the list I like which I think you have both seen, which is

 

Polux in a spartan with terminators.

 

2x Breachers in LR

 

Leviathan no pod.

 

Two Vindicators, one of each

 

Contemptor mortis, with Lascannon.

 

I like this list, in fact I love it, but I don't know if it's a little.. Boring to play against? That's my problem.

[Slips]

Well, the only real way to fix that issue is to increase the size of your collection and substitute units on a whim.

 

Such as:

 

Hmmm...Dont feel like playing a Leviathan Today....How About Jump Pack Destroyers? And then roll with it.

[MakoBoy88]

Well yeah that's true, obviously money is an issue and does dictate what I want to buy etc.

 

But that is a good plan.

[Elzender]

An idea on the line of what Slips said: make a list, but add some "substitutes" as possible alternatives, as in sport teams, so you can rotate the units you're using to alter a bit your playstyle while keeping the core or spirit of the list, ie: changing one of the vindis or even on of the LR for more breachers or tacticals, changing your mortis for a cortus contemptor to make an army-size rush towards the enemy, etc.

[helterskelter]

It took me a while to settle on destroyers for a list I was doing, as a lot of folk don't use them really and you get the worth the points arguments etc etc. Then I built some coz I wanted to, then I checked the rules, then I checked how they worked within my legion of choice, then I built some more, and now they have a permanent place in my 3.5k list because I'm really happy with how they look and work. Weird process I know but works for me

[MakoBoy88]

Well I think that's always best. I did that with a few things in my Fantasy lists.

 

For example, in my new Fist list, I really want to keep my solid Polux/ Terminator/ Spartan boring combo, but I also want to try and get Sniper Vets into my Stone Gauntlet theme somewhere.

 

Just competing for valuable elite slots

[Robzilla]

For what it's worth, I get this too. Not all the time, but I get it.

When I was researching 30k, I tried doing some dummy lists to see what I'd need to buy to get the ball rolling. I did ones for world eaters, ultramarines, iron warriors and night lords as well as my alpha legion. Was v. Happy with all of them except the alpha legion and the ultramarines.

 

Ended up collecting alpha legion so go figure.

 

I realised what was the problem eventually; all the other lists had specialisms, whereas alpha legion and ultramarines were generalists, and I was starting lists for them that were too... General?

I think I was being misled by a preconceived notion of how the legion could/should play and it was leading my list building to an artificial, predetermined end every time, whereas the other lists had a much more natural theme.