Raven Guard Recon Co 2.5k

[Da Once & Future Git]

I've been thinking about Recon company and Raven Guard. Especially with Vorax Praevians. 

 

So this is a real up front, in your face army, little worried as I'll have to survive one round of fire before I can charge (hopefully I'll get to go first from the Recon Co bonuses), but all of the main units will have stealth & shrouded (hopefully in cover too for a 2++ save).

 

Here goes:

 

Lord of War

Corax - Recon Co RoW - 450

 

HQ

Vigilator - AA, Refractor field, Power axe, Jump pack, Melta bombs - 145

1 Praevian - AA, Refractor field, Volkite charger, Bolt pistol, Power axe, Cameleoline - 135

-----3 Vorax - Bio-ammunition  - 225

1 Praevian - AA, Refractor field, Volkite charger, Bolt pistol, Power axe, Cameleoline - 135

-----3 Vorax - Irad cleansers - 225

 

Troops

5 Recon marines - Melta bombs, Serge with AA & Combi-melta - 170

5 Recon marines - Melta bombs, Serge with AA & Combi-melta - 170

5 Recon marines - Melta bombs, Serge with AA & Combi-melta - 170

 

Fast Attack

8 Dark Furies - Serge with Melta bombs - 270

 

Heavy Support

1 Leviathan - Melta lance, Drill, Phosphex discharger, Armoured ceramite - 330

1 Dreadnought Drop Pod - 65

 

Comes to 2490, what could I add for 10points?  Or change something?

 

Corax and the Vigilator start off with the Dark Furies to scout up and get the good cover save, then Corax leaves and does his own thing.

 

Everything infiltrates (other than the Furies) to where needed, Recons, go after armour, then try to claim objectives with their super run moves while trying not to look threatening (do you think I'd be better off with Bolter/BP or BP/CCW?)

 

 

What do you think?

[Caillum]

Relying on the Recon Marines for anti-tank duties might not be a great idea, but you've got a Leviathan to help with that too, so should be ok. Weapon options are a wash really - chainswords won't stop any unit from stomping them in combat, and bolters won't kill much either. :)

 

Maybe consider the following:

- drop the Dark Furies down to 5 strong (this is an easier option to purchase, as well as giving you a few extra points).

- add Cameleoline to the Recon Marines, as a minimum 4+ cover save on the 1st turn will be helpful. It will help keep them alive later on too.

- go for irad-cleansers on both Vorax units. I ran the numbers, and they are a significantly better investment than bio-ammunition. Don't forget that they also have Scout, so they can get exactly where they need to be. And frag grenades might be a good investment so they are guaranteed to strike at I4.

 

Those changes bring it to 2515, so it might be cost you something, but everything else looks pretty good to me! :)

[Unknown Legionnaire]

 

What do you think?

 

I think I have to destroy 15 models exactly to deny you any chance at scoring. 

[pompeyladbfp]

Yup.. There's a very good chance that only one recon squad is required in recon ROW, (see rules discussion rather than here) and that's how I read it, and seems intended...

So I'd drop to two tacticals in rhinos and 5 man recon unit.

[Terminus]

That chance is slim indeed.

[pompeyladbfp]

That chance is slim indeed.

Bet ya wrong

[Terminus]

They would have to FAQ it in a way that changes the wording of the Rite entirely. As written, you cannot.

[pompeyladbfp]

Written... Smitten.. it's all in the point you must take a third troops choice that must be a recon squad.. It's not cut and dry to the FAQ sings

[Terminus]

It says Recon squads are compulsory. How do you argue around compulsory?

[Unknown Legionnaire]

People argue about every :cuss these days. Rules 'interpretations' in the most favourable manner ... yeah.

[pompeyladbfp]

I'm just going with what page 9 of crusade army list book says... A dark tone box means that a choice there is compulsory and you must make a choice from that section. (is any non support rule troops)

So until it's faqd I wouldn't have an issue with anyone using any non support troops as compulsory or the recon squad which has now become compulsory. However they must include a third compulsory choice that must be a recon squad.

Anyway let's get back to the armylist... It needs more scoring dudes

 

My main thing that swayed be to this logic.. Why not just write this RoW must take an additional troops slot and all must be filled by recon squads.

[Gyem]

You mean like the NL's terror RoW? You want forgeworld to write clear rules?!

[Galron]

It says the recon marines are switched to compulsory, it doesn't say the normal compulsory are no longer in that category. It also says you have three compulsory troop requirements of which one has to be a recon squad. Thus the other two can be any of the compulsory units, its very clear from what I have read.

[Da Once & Future Git]

It says the recon marines are switched to compulsory, it doesn't say the normal compulsory are no longer in that category. It also says you have three compulsory troop requirements of which one has to be a recon squad. Thus the other two can be any of the compulsory units, its very clear from what I have read.

I read it the same way, I was hoping to keep my troops to a minimum, do you think if I gave two units Sniper rifles and kept them back would be better or definitely go for the tacticals in rhinos?

 

If I drop the dark furies down to 5 I could change two recon squads to tacticals with a vexilla, as sergeant with AA, MBs and either a combi-melta or a power weapon and a rhino.

[pompeyladbfp]

Part of me wonders of best use of tacticals is in rhino and just try to stay alive, fury anything that gets near them.. Leave your army to do the killing.

[Terminus]

It says the recon marines are switched to compulsory, it doesn't say the normal compulsory are no longer in that category. It also says you have three compulsory troop requirements of which one has to be a recon squad. Thus the other two can be any of the compulsory units, its very clear from what I have read.

No it doesn't. Why are you making things up?

 

It says Recon Marines are compulsory troops. Compulsory means mandatory. Tactical marines are not compulsory troops, or you would always have to field them.

[Reyner]

Enough moaning about Recon Squads people, you have the thread in the Rules section for that. The main change I can see is taking the Volkite Chargers off the Praevian double team - I would take Bolters instead for the target marking at 24" rather than 15" :)