Emperor's Furor Posted May 20, 2016 Share Posted May 20, 2016 The bitter angry one from Crimson Fist or the thoughtful intelligent insecure grief ridden one from Angel Exterminatus? I actually prefer the second one, even if he is a little pitiful, he feels more developed as a character and more "unique" as opposed to just another angry Primarch with a short temper. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/322598-which-perturabo-do-you-prefer/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guiltysparc Posted May 20, 2016 Share Posted May 20, 2016 i liked him in angel exterminatus...have not read crimson fist. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/322598-which-perturabo-do-you-prefer/#findComment-4400525 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Millicant Posted May 20, 2016 Share Posted May 20, 2016 I actually think I like his representation so far the best in Path of Heaven. It's not much, but it captures the "Lord of Iron" for me pretty well. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/322598-which-perturabo-do-you-prefer/#findComment-4400544 Share on other sites More sharing options...
helterskelter Posted May 20, 2016 Share Posted May 20, 2016 You also forgot the one where he cons lion el loyalty out of some siege engines Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/322598-which-perturabo-do-you-prefer/#findComment-4400584 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forward Assist Posted May 20, 2016 Share Posted May 20, 2016 I was going to make a witty response about Curze but thought, 'no, better not M'Shen it...' Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/322598-which-perturabo-do-you-prefer/#findComment-4400775 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeremy1391 Posted May 20, 2016 Share Posted May 20, 2016 I actually really liked his portrayal in Angel Exterminatus, gave you a glimpse behind the iron curtain. It showed something not seen amongst these Demi gods often. It shows his self doubt. Feeling over looked and not good enough to make dad happy, and it did it in such a way that actually made me feel bad for pert. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/322598-which-perturabo-do-you-prefer/#findComment-4400804 Share on other sites More sharing options...
helterskelter Posted May 20, 2016 Share Posted May 20, 2016 I was going to make a witty response about Curze but thought, 'no, better not M'Shen it...' Papa Midnight wanted that. It was his choice. In Angel Ex. He doesn't quite get the full portrayal he deserves. A lot of things from it I really enjoyed but he needed a little more. Hopefully his Primarch Novel will help this some Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/322598-which-perturabo-do-you-prefer/#findComment-4400814 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forward Assist Posted May 20, 2016 Share Posted May 20, 2016 Just joking, bud. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/322598-which-perturabo-do-you-prefer/#findComment-4400818 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corswain Posted May 20, 2016 Share Posted May 20, 2016 Angel Exterminatus. The book was it just for him. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/322598-which-perturabo-do-you-prefer/#findComment-4400820 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prodigal Son of Magnus Posted May 20, 2016 Share Posted May 20, 2016 Imo his Crimson Fist portrayal is one of the worst Primarch portrayals I've read. He kills his henchmen for something totally out of their control in typical Saturday Morning cartoon Villain fashion. Give me Angel Exterminatus any day. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/322598-which-perturabo-do-you-prefer/#findComment-4400831 Share on other sites More sharing options...
m0nolith Posted May 20, 2016 Share Posted May 20, 2016 Do I want a generic angry douchebag, or a multi dimensional character with interesting traits? Angel Exterminatus wins hands down. Edit: A face full of Warhound model is still one of my favorite moments in the Heresy so far! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/322598-which-perturabo-do-you-prefer/#findComment-4400850 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raktra Posted May 20, 2016 Share Posted May 20, 2016 Exterminatus, easily. He's not a moustache-twirling idiot, after all. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/322598-which-perturabo-do-you-prefer/#findComment-4400852 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tymell Posted May 20, 2016 Share Posted May 20, 2016 Imo his Crimson Fist portrayal is one of the worst Primarch portrayals I've read. He kills his henchmen for something totally out of their control in typical Saturday Morning cartoon Villain fashion. Give me Angel Exterminatus any day. This. Overall I do like The Crimson Fist, and overall I don't really like Angel Exterminatus, but the portrayals of Perturabo in those are the opposite. In The Crimson Fist he just comes across as a destructive child throwing a tantrum, Angel Exterminatus gave him some actual depth and interesting facets. A highlight of the book. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/322598-which-perturabo-do-you-prefer/#findComment-4400898 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terminus Posted May 21, 2016 Share Posted May 21, 2016 Imo his Crimson Fist portrayal is one of the worst Primarch portrayals I've read. He kills his henchmen for something totally out of their control in typical Saturday Morning cartoon Villain fashion. Give me Angel Exterminatus any day. Isn't this the Primarch that killed 1/10th of his Legion for not being Ultramarines? Or was that Ferrus? I get the iron dummies confused. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/322598-which-perturabo-do-you-prefer/#findComment-4401013 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Blackwood Posted May 21, 2016 Share Posted May 21, 2016 to be absolutely fair ( And this doesn't mean its right) but every primarch had a fairly dramatic effect on their legion. Angron killed the entire upper command structure until Khârn talked him down. Corax sent away a bunch of dudes who were Terran Dorn basically dropped the old Legionmaster on Inwit , told him "make dudes from these dudes , good job and bye " The decimation of the Iron Warriors while terrible can be interpreted as Pert taking full control of his legion making it his own. As far as the actual question posed by the thread Angel Ext. is my favorite portrayal of Pert as it is the one that gives us the best look into who he is and what makes him tick. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/322598-which-perturabo-do-you-prefer/#findComment-4401029 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ephrael Posted May 21, 2016 Share Posted May 21, 2016 I really liked his breif appearances in Tallarn Ironclad. He seems to be expanding his views and beliefs about the universe and trying to take advantage of new opportunities and weapons. I did love his Warhound face-smash moment in Exterminatus a lot though. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/322598-which-perturabo-do-you-prefer/#findComment-4401032 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kastor Krieg Posted May 21, 2016 Share Posted May 21, 2016 Which book had the scene where he has revealed his "workshop" to his brother primarch, the Labirynth among the more complex ideas? The scenes where the deep hidden artisan finally shone through were very good. There was a lot of depth in Pert that got pushed down hard and hidden away in a box in a dark place, just so he could become what he thought his Father wanted. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/322598-which-perturabo-do-you-prefer/#findComment-4401050 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hellrender Posted May 21, 2016 Share Posted May 21, 2016 That would be Angel Exterminatus. I haven't read Crimson Fist, but i really liked how he was portrayed in Angel Ex. Didn't enjoy much of the rest of the book, but his portrayal was amazing. I generally hate it when primarchs kill their legionaires for no reason. The decimation is part of his fluff, and although nasty, i think it belongs there. But like Lion El just slaying somebody that didnt agree, or perty doing the same, is just poor writing imo. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/322598-which-perturabo-do-you-prefer/#findComment-4401103 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hergrmir Posted May 21, 2016 Share Posted May 21, 2016 Yeah, I prefer the AE portrayal too. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/322598-which-perturabo-do-you-prefer/#findComment-4401359 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balthamal Posted May 21, 2016 Share Posted May 21, 2016 I prefer AE but I wouldn't say his portrayal was terrible in Crimson Fist. Lots not like he did Lion and got jiggy with his fists. He'd ordered the death of a good chunk of the Legion before even leading them to war. He viewed them as nothing but numbers on a giant spreadsheet for war. Hardly a caring father to his sons. Plus wasn't his tantrum directed more at the Fists who took him on and then the computer showing that Pollux would have beaten him? Been a while since I read either. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/322598-which-perturabo-do-you-prefer/#findComment-4401583 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarKnight Posted May 21, 2016 Share Posted May 21, 2016 I prefer AE but I wouldn't say his portrayal was terrible in Crimson Fist. Lots not like he did Lion and got jiggy with his fists. He'd ordered the death of a good chunk of the Legion before even leading them to war. He viewed them as nothing but numbers on a giant spreadsheet for war. Hardly a caring father to his sons. Plus wasn't his tantrum directed more at the Fists who took him on and then the computer showing that Pollux would have beaten him? Been a while since I read either. His anger was due to Pollux commanding the Retribution fleet and not Sigismund. Like many others, I don't care for AE, but preferred that portrayal. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/322598-which-perturabo-do-you-prefer/#findComment-4401607 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terminus Posted May 22, 2016 Share Posted May 22, 2016 to be absolutely fair ( And this doesn't mean its right) but every primarch had a fairly dramatic effect on their legion. Angron killed the entire upper command structure until Khârn talked him down. Corax sent away a bunch of dudes who were Terran Dorn basically dropped the old Legionmaster on Inwit , told him "make dudes from these dudes , good job and bye " The decimation of the Iron Warriors while terrible can be interpreted as Pert taking full control of his legion making it his own. As far as the actual question posed by the thread Angel Ext. is my favorite portrayal of Pert as it is the one that gives us the best look into who he is and what makes him tick. You can't really make these comparisons. Angron didn't want the title and saw the command structure as pawns of the tyrant Emperor. Khârn showed him that they are still warriors deserving of respect. Corax didn't want to engage in a pointless action that would see a bunch of his dudes dead, but the other Primarchs (Dorn I think? One of the dumber ones), called him a for not wanting to needlessly waste manpower, so Corax complied and selected the original Terrans (who were apparently :cusss) for the front lines. Dorn cannot have a single action attributed to him so far that is not completely idiotic, but even imprisoning his librarius doesn't compare to killing 10,000+ expensive Astartes. I do definitely like his portrayal in this book the most, especially when we delve into his less destructive hobbies. On the other hand, I was rolling my eyes at the whole "I will do everything asked of me, without question, or expectation of reward or praise, but I secretly want reward and praise so I'm going to get all PTSD about it." But I suppose plenty of the Primarchs had Asperger's-like personality issues, Ferrus, Lion and Perturabo chief amongst them. He also gets a pass for growing up in a society with Drow-level intrigue in the courts, so his paranoia is understandable. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/322598-which-perturabo-do-you-prefer/#findComment-4401647 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prodigal Son of Magnus Posted May 22, 2016 Share Posted May 22, 2016 The bigger problem with Perturabo is inconsistency in his showings. In Crimson Fist he's displayed as an idiot with anger management issues, in Extermination he's displayed as an idiot who doesn't understand cause and effect, and in AE he's displayed as being brilliant but has an inability to seperate himself from bad relationships. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/322598-which-perturabo-do-you-prefer/#findComment-4401689 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kastor Krieg Posted May 22, 2016 Share Posted May 22, 2016 Dorn cannot have a single action attributed to him so far that is not completely idiotic, but even imprisoning his librarius doesn't compare to killing 10,000+ expensive Astartes. Yeah, no. Fortification of Terra and the Imperial Palace. Enough foresight to enable the attrition fighter Imperial Fists to be remade anew from a single Marine standing (!) with the technology of the Phalanx. Refusal to break the Legion down in accordance to Rob's little blue book. Overcoming his stubborness in being able to listen to Oriax Dantalion's advice to actually go through with that, but smartly. Retaining the spirit and purpose of parts of his Legion in the Second Founding - the "codex youth" became Crimson Fists, the "grizzled stubborn veterans" became the not-a-Legion Black Templars, etc - smartly avoided internal strife within IF and external strife with the UM and Imperium at large. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/322598-which-perturabo-do-you-prefer/#findComment-4401743 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted May 22, 2016 Share Posted May 22, 2016 This talk of Dorn sure doesn't relate a lot to which Depiction of Perturabo one prefers. Back on Topic. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/322598-which-perturabo-do-you-prefer/#findComment-4401767 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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