Sagnus Posted June 12, 2016 Share Posted June 12, 2016 So I'm doing an all Scions force, it will be all mounted in Taurox's. I'm thinking about adding an assassin into the mix but can't decide which one. My current thoughts are towards Cueuxus or Callidus (anti-psyker or just to much up reserves and a better chance to steal the initiative). I don't have a regular army I fight against and there is a good spread and style of armies where I normally play. Any ideas would be welcome. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323146-which-assassin-to-use-with-a-scion-force/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorFish Posted June 12, 2016 Share Posted June 12, 2016 Each Assassin has a specific role/use so it depends on what you might need. They'll be the only foot unit in your mechanised list so you'll need to consider the risk of them getting spam fired off the table. The Culexus is harder to hit, but all alone it might not count for much and needs to face psykers to really shine. Perhaps the Callidus might be best, to pop up and cause some mischief that your Scions can then take advantage of? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323146-which-assassin-to-use-with-a-scion-force/#findComment-4417858 Share on other sites More sharing options...
duz_ Posted June 12, 2016 Share Posted June 12, 2016 They'd be the two I lean towards. I recently went to a tournament and played a vindicare and callidus. The callidus was there as an anti centurion unit. In 6 rounds I didn't face 1... she was a good distraction and was good for deploying next to high threat units and taking 1-2 out before dying the next turn (particularly bikes). She did let me seize once with her re-roll. I didn't play any reserve armies where her -3 helped. I have had her tie up a 5 man terminator TH/SS squad for 3 turns and take 3 out before dying. I haven't used the culexus yet but it is a very popular unit and is still quite handy even when not facing psykers. However new FAQ changes have implications for its deployment and use. From memory his aura doesn't work from inside a vehicle any more. So I guess it comes down to your preference and meta. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323146-which-assassin-to-use-with-a-scion-force/#findComment-4417863 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akrim Posted June 12, 2016 Share Posted June 12, 2016 It's hard to make a bad choice here. Callidus and Culexus are very good disrupters. I'm an Eversor fan too, just for raw assault power which Scions/Am sorely lack. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323146-which-assassin-to-use-with-a-scion-force/#findComment-4417954 Share on other sites More sharing options...
march10k Posted June 12, 2016 Share Posted June 12, 2016 The only one I own is the culexus, but that ruling that 2mm of aluminum stops his null zone, but tactical dreadnought armor doesn't...insane. If you have access to all of them, I'd probably go for the eversor...he does what your stormtroopers can't...any other choice would just be a decoy. And at 125 points, that's not really a decoy, it's a gift, in many games. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323146-which-assassin-to-use-with-a-scion-force/#findComment-4418071 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sagnus Posted June 12, 2016 Author Share Posted June 12, 2016 Im leaning towards callidus for the disruption. Im not sure about evesor wont it just bounce of any units with armour as his cc has no real ap. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323146-which-assassin-to-use-with-a-scion-force/#findComment-4418192 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoffeeGrunt Posted June 12, 2016 Share Posted June 12, 2016 He has a Power Sword IIRC. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323146-which-assassin-to-use-with-a-scion-force/#findComment-4418200 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akrim Posted June 12, 2016 Share Posted June 12, 2016 Im leaning towards callidus for the disruption. Im not sure about evesor wont it just bounce of any units with armour as his cc has no real ap. Sure does, he assaults 3D6 with 8 attacks and can use either the S5 power sword or the gauntlet (+2 to wound rerollable). Only real thing to avoid is Termie armour. With a +4 invul and FNP he is certainly survivable. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323146-which-assassin-to-use-with-a-scion-force/#findComment-4418211 Share on other sites More sharing options...
shandwen Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 A vindicare can sometimes fill a huge need for scions: AT at range. Also, he can make good use out of a taurox guntruck. The autocannon/ml trucks make a great bunker for him to shoot from. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323146-which-assassin-to-use-with-a-scion-force/#findComment-4418282 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emicus Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 Cullexus has ap2 and potentially instant death with "Invisibility" vs normal targets, better against psykers of course. Can't go wrong. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323146-which-assassin-to-use-with-a-scion-force/#findComment-4418310 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frater Cornelius Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 The issue with the Culexus is that he is slow as molasses now. Even if you had a transport, he would not be able to deploy in it. Infiltrating can work, but he could also end up isolated, especially if Inquisition and their skulls are involved. My bet would be Callidus as she is a 'get out of jail free card' against many armies as she has the potential to remove a key unit in the beginning. Never tried to Eversor, so can't judge that one. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323146-which-assassin-to-use-with-a-scion-force/#findComment-4418360 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CyderPirate Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 They're all really, really good. Vindicare will get you some Anti-armour, Callidus/Eversor are close combat beasts, and the Culexus is a great anti-psyker unit. I'd probably go with Culexus or Eversor. (Or both!). The scions have no psyker protection, so the Culexus gives you something to deal with them, and the Eversor gives you a close combat threat. I've found he's ok to go into 2+ armour, as the number of wounds the gauntlet inflicts usually gets a couple of failed saves, but I'd steer clear of TH/SS or shooty termies as they'll definitely kill you on the backswing. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323146-which-assassin-to-use-with-a-scion-force/#findComment-4418532 Share on other sites More sharing options...
librisrouge Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 Or, and I'm simply suggesting this, why not an Execution Force? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323146-which-assassin-to-use-with-a-scion-force/#findComment-4418911 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HenricusTyranicus Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 Do Scions really need to ally with the second lowest model count force in the game? Aren't they already enough of a glass cannon? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323146-which-assassin-to-use-with-a-scion-force/#findComment-4418921 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kontakt Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 Do Scions really need to ally with the second lowest model count force in the game? Aren't they already enough of a glass cannon? When you have no access to psykers, a cullexus is not a bad idea for any non psyker army. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323146-which-assassin-to-use-with-a-scion-force/#findComment-4418946 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HenricusTyranicus Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 Do Scions really need to ally with the second lowest model count force in the game? Aren't they already enough of a glass cannon? When you have no access to psykers, a cullexus is not a bad idea for any non psyker army. Was more in response to the idea of bringing the entire execution force. The criticism does still exist for only bringing one, but it's justifiable. The entire execution force, less so. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323146-which-assassin-to-use-with-a-scion-force/#findComment-4418962 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emicus Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 Damn right, ally them with a Knight instead! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323146-which-assassin-to-use-with-a-scion-force/#findComment-4419040 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sviar Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 If I were to purchase one it would be Vindicare. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323146-which-assassin-to-use-with-a-scion-force/#findComment-4419138 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kontakt Posted June 15, 2016 Share Posted June 15, 2016 Do Scions really need to ally with the second lowest model count force in the game? Aren't they already enough of a glass cannon? When you have no access to psykers, a cullexus is not a bad idea for any non psyker army. Was more in response to the idea of bringing the entire execution force. The criticism does still exist for only bringing one, but it's justifiable. The entire execution force, less so. Very true. There isn't a logical reason to bring the force. An individual could be brought to plug a gap in an army, but the execution force is quite a lot of points for what you get. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323146-which-assassin-to-use-with-a-scion-force/#findComment-4419798 Share on other sites More sharing options...
march10k Posted June 15, 2016 Share Posted June 15, 2016 They're all really, really good. Vindicare will get you some Anti-armour, Callidus/Eversor are close combat beasts, and the Culexus is a great anti-psyker unit. I'd probably go with Culexus or Eversor. (Or both!). The scions have no psyker protection, so the Culexus gives you something to deal with them, and the Eversor gives you a close combat threat. I've found he's ok to go into 2+ armour, as the number of wounds the gauntlet inflicts usually gets a couple of failed saves, but I'd steer clear of TH/SS or shooty termies as they'll definitely kill you on the backswing. This...the difference being risk. There is a moderate chance of needing something to deal with psychers. There is a 100% chance of a blender like the eversor being useful. As long as you aren't playing against a pure knight list, lol. Then the only thing that can save you is a few cruisers in orbit... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323146-which-assassin-to-use-with-a-scion-force/#findComment-4420357 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HenricusTyranicus Posted June 15, 2016 Share Posted June 15, 2016 They're all really, really good. Vindicare will get you some Anti-armour, Callidus/Eversor are close combat beasts, and the Culexus is a great anti-psyker unit. I'd probably go with Culexus or Eversor. (Or both!). The scions have no psyker protection, so the Culexus gives you something to deal with them, and the Eversor gives you a close combat threat. I've found he's ok to go into 2+ armour, as the number of wounds the gauntlet inflicts usually gets a couple of failed saves, but I'd steer clear of TH/SS or shooty termies as they'll definitely kill you on the backswing. This...the difference being risk. There is a moderate chance of needing something to deal with psychers. There is a 100% chance of a blender like the eversor being useful. As long as you aren't playing against a pure knight list, lol. Then the only thing that can save you is a few cruisers in orbit... Even against knights, Eversors have Melta bombs. Assuming I'm remembering correctly. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323146-which-assassin-to-use-with-a-scion-force/#findComment-4420646 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kontakt Posted June 15, 2016 Share Posted June 15, 2016 the eversor is not a cost effective melta bomb delivery system. Unless you are trying to be an assassin only player, there are better ways to attack a knight. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323146-which-assassin-to-use-with-a-scion-force/#findComment-4420811 Share on other sites More sharing options...
march10k Posted June 16, 2016 Share Posted June 16, 2016 Plus, what are you going to do about the other 3-4 knights? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323146-which-assassin-to-use-with-a-scion-force/#findComment-4421318 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indefragable Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 IF you are looking to fill in gaps in your Scion force, the other assassins all provide intangibles you can't really get anywhere else. However, for pure flavor, I love the idea of a Callidus...or two...or three....as part of your list. The idea of some covert operatives setting traps, sowing discord, then calling in the commandos to kick down doors is just too cool. The CIA operatives spotting for the SOCOM shooters fast-roping in. The Greeks who spill out of the Trojan Horse to open the gates of Troy for the rest of the army. The French Resistance ambushing officers and logistic trains while planting beacons for the Airborne units behind lines in Normandy.... ....you get the idea Edit: typos Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323146-which-assassin-to-use-with-a-scion-force/#findComment-4425581 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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