Debate, Tycho => Dead Man Hand, and Profile Idea, Page 2

[Frater Antodeniel]

As you are all aware, since 7th edition, Tycho looses his "Dead Man Hand" weapons. While i think that this change, may have for origin the fact that it was hardly "normal" that Tycho may have such "Weapons" without visibility on the model, i may have figure of a way, that may bring this weapon back from the Ashes.

 

What if the Dead Man Hand was a Power fist at initiative ?

 

=> It would be AP 2, so like 5Ed incarnation, it negate armour + it could damage vehicle (The famous +d6^^ of the previous).

 

=> Such change would see a little rise of point, but would rise Tycho utility. Since he does not have Jump Pack, he would still be "less" powerfull than Dante, but it would represent another side of the Blood Angels, and should really go well along Seth for the Flesh Tearers...

[Quixus]

As for invisible wargear not being normal, has anyone ever modelled digital weapons?

 

How about S user, AP 2, armourbane? Wouldn't that be very close to the 5th Ed, version?

[CaptainHelion]

That'd be practically exactly the same as 5th ed. I'd be happy with just the ap2. Heck, I'd be happy with ap3 or 4. Anything to drag ol' Tycho out of his slump

[Charlo]

How it was. S user with armour bane. Ap2.

[CaptainHelion]

Well, technically it wasn't AP2, it ignored armour saves. Slight difference, as AP2 gives a +1 on the vehicle damage table, but ignoring armour saves doesn't.

[Charlo]

Yeah I know :P but I think it would set him aside as something a little different.

 

I'd up his points costs appropriately, also totally use him with foot DC in a pod.

[CaptainHelion]

Of course, of course. I'm just speaking in terms of absolute clarity. No assumptions, etc etc.

[Charlo]

Good man!

 

Tycho really does need a little boost.

 

Even just a pretty generic +1S AP3 would be passable.

[CaptainHelion]

As I said earlier, even ap3 with nothing else would boost his utility significantly!

[Omega-soul]

Talking about WYSIWYG of Blood angels - Tycho - where is his Iron halo?

Sanguinor - where is FNP fron his unlisted chalice?

Astorath-Sanguinor-Sanguinary guard - do I really need to glue this wings?

 

So it's just a talk how bad our codex is written

 

Also - Tycho's deadhand is a 5th ed addtion - in previus codicies he didn't posessed one. But he always gave his leadership on the board

[Xenith]

Not in 3rd, he didn't

[Grazcruzk]

I'd love Tycho to get something for the deadman's hand again. I really think rending would be good. I've always imagined him forgoing any kind of melee weapon in favor of ripping things apart with his bare hands.

 

 

 

Slightly OT but I think Malakim Phoros is a good alternate for the time being but his rules prevent you from taking any other unit with "chapter master" in it's name, so no Dante. He's got a meltagun equivalent, decent melee, and when he takes a wound he gets stronger along with providing hatred.

[Servant of Dante]

Look closely at tycho's left hand. There are in fact little holes modeled in above the knuckles. I think these are the digital weapons/dead man's hand.

 

As for stats, I think that S user AP 3 would be fine, but S user AP 2 Armourbane would certainly be good too!

[Dont-Be-Haten]

I think many of us can agree that Eramus is one of the coolest characters in BA. I sure do miss 5th ed

[Servant of Dante]

I think many of us can agree that Eramus is one of the coolest characters in BA. I sure do miss 5th ed

With that name, how could he not be!

 

Although, my personal favorites are Dante and Corbulo. Yes, I like the 90s flat Corbulo model. The vampiric not-corbulo sanguinary priest is insulting

[Grazcruzk]

Sorry if this is too much of a nerco but I was thinking about this thread the other day and rather than having an AP value I think a good rule for the Dead Man's Hand would be: 'Successful saves against Tycho's melee attacks must be rerolled." Also armour bane :)

[Tyriks]

 

I think many of us can agree that Eramus is one of the coolest characters in BA. I sure do miss 5th ed

 

With that name, how could he not be!

 

Although, my personal favorites are Dante and Corbulo. Yes, I like the 90s flat Corbulo model. The vampiric not-corbulo sanguinary priest is insulting

I intended to name a captain in my home brewed successor Erasmus when I found out there already was one. I looked up his stats, excited, and then was a little sad.

[Canadian_F_H]

Anybody remember in 3rd edition when tyco went death company during the third battle for armageddon... and died... and became a death company dreadnaught... (if I remember right the 3rd ed ba codex didn't have a death co dread prior to this)

 

So awesome!

[Blindhamster]

3rd ed codex had morior the chosen in it. That was the death company dreadnought.

 

3rd war for armageddon with tycho getting killed was indeed 3rd ed though.

 

Rips out an ork warbosses heart before snuffing it mind.

[Morticon]

Anybody remember in 3rd edition when tyco went death company during the third battle for armageddon... and died... and became a death company dreadnaught... (if I remember right the 3rd ed ba codex didn't have a death co dread prior to this)

 

So awesome!

 

I totally stand to be corrected here, but i believe the Tycho as dreadnought rumour was exactly that, a rumour.  It was floating about the intrawebs before the actual deets came out- then came out and nothing was there to back it up. 

 

I remember this because when i read the rumour I painted up a gold furioso!! ><;  

 

Again, stand to be corrected on this detail point though.

[Jolemai]

Never ever recall that.

[Spagunk]

I do. It was in a white dwarf issue where they did a "What if" type thing and gave a chapter approved article which had stats for a Tycho Dread.

 

The model had large ork claws instead of normal dread arms. They even had an order form of the parts you needed to build your own.

[Xenith]

That sounds cool. Any chance it was a US WD only thing, like the Movie Marines were? This definitely wasn't in a UK WD - I'd have remembered something so cool!

[Canadian_F_H]

Well it was definitely in the us one because I think that's where I remembered it from. Along side a list for running a 100% deathcompany army. (Going so far as to say their armour could justifiably still be red if the rage took to far and there wasn't anyone left sane to paint it black.

 

Right and I forgot about moriar... doh.

[Spagunk]

I tried for awhile to figure out which issue and where it was published but had no luck. I am not 100% certain it was tied to the Codex Armageddon release either.