Legacy of Russ 5: Infurnace (Disscustion)

[Fang_Guard23]

Part 5 of the space wolves great battle with the forces of chaos the misguided ideals of the foolish dark angels.

 

 

Gormenjarl has fallen to the wyrdspawn, the redpelt grey hunter pack that was garrisoning the fort had been possessed by chaos daemons.

Ragnar Blackmane has changed course at the request of Krom Dragongaze to see if Starfort Mjalnar has been taken over by daemons as well...it has.

On the planet of svellgard a khorn bloodthirster by the name of Infernace, from the chapters past has come to destroy the companies of Deathwolf and Bloodhowl that defend it.

The Iron Hands captain is prepping his ship to open fire on Svellgard along with the ultramrines strike cruiser. The job is to asses whether the wolves are to be reinforced or to destroyed.

Krom has returned to the fang but still seeks answers to the curse of the wulfen

 

[Guest Triszin]

finished reading it

 

some interesting stuff

 

 

 

1. Egil: is now squaring off against a great wyrm champion of nurgle in the depths. That plague swarm and champion are the main obstacle between egil and his wolf guard and logan.

2. Krom: Went deep into the vaults of the fang, investigating the wulfen; found a sealed statis tomb of a member of the "wolf brothers" only successor to the space wolves. He opened it and it was a wulfen, and it was staring back at him when he opened it. Said how they saved this turned wulfen from fabilous bile and the black legion and kept him a slumber.

3. Stern: Star fort is lost, space wolves aboard the starfort become possessed space marines, pulled back tot he ship and proceeded to bombard the fort, estimate it will take over an hour to destroy the fort.

 

4. Ragnar and delmornay: investigate the twin star fort, its infested with tzeentch illusionists, trying to trigger the curse in ragnar and his men but fails. they attack

 

5. changling headed towards the interrogator chaplains chambers now.  

 

6. Sven is squaring up against infurance a champion bloodthrister who hunts space wolves. oceans getting sucked intot he warp, ocean water level has dropped hundreds of feet.

 

 

no mention of the redmaw

 

I expect krom to find more ancient slumbering wulfen, I hope he runs into sentient wulfen of the 13th that have been using the unknown dark vaults beneath the fang as a home base, but thats wishlkisting.

 

 

 

 

[NightHowler]

I'm more than a little disappointed to see space wolves being possessed left and right. The canis helix was always touted as being the reason why the 13th could last in the Eye of Terror for 10,000 years without being corrupted, but a demon invasion happens and suddenly space wolves don't have that protection any more? If they want it to look desperate and show that the wolves are vulnerable (i.e.: avoid the Mary Sue trap) I would rather they just show them getting beaten and bloodied - but showing them possessed, just sits wrong with me. Renegade is one thing, breaking oaths too, but this upsets me.

[Lukasthetrickster]

to be fair, wasn't it just the one pack that got possessed? seems perfectly plausible that at least one pack from the 13th company could have gotten possessed as well.

 

I'm also very anxious that ragnar is going to succumb to the curse, and who knows what will happen to de mournay if that happens.

[MaveriK]

I'm more than a little disappointed to see space wolves being possessed left and right. The canis helix was always touted as being the reason why the 13th could last in the Eye of Terror for 10,000 years without being corrupted, but a demon invasion happens and suddenly space wolves don't have that protection any more? If they want it to look desperate and show that the wolves are vulnerable (i.e.: avoid the Mary Sue trap) I would rather they just show them getting beaten and bloodied - but showing them possessed, just sits wrong with me. Renegade is one thing, breaking oaths too, but this upsets me.

LOL blame the writer and the person who approved the story to be published...

 

Gotta love how these people don't do a throughout fact checking and some due diligence researching the known lore. Even if it's not official canon, it's one of those things that's almost commonly assumed because it's the logical approach. But instead this new vision is outweighed by bullpoop, all in the name of hype and sales. It's like hey let's sell ourselves out cause we need to pull in new interest for the hobby.

[TheWolfLord]

I can see that but the 13th were full of Wolves who suffered from the curse so that might explain why they were not corrupted in the Eye

 

So far it's only been a single pack that I remember although I'd have liked that maybe 1 or 2 turned to Wulfen and actually helped the Grey Knights.

 

Im starting to think the Space Wolves Chapter that survives this is going to be a shadow of itself, a huge loss in man power, planets and fortresses destroyed, 2 Star Forts gone and a curse running rampant.

 

I also think things will get worse towards the end of this series. 3 more books to go and it's obvious we aren't getting an ending of the problem by then so they will finish with the Wolves on the brink and lead into Warzone Fenris 2 for the final part.

[Lukasthetrickster]

Let's hope the rumored return of Russ is true and he saves us all Oh and I guess that Grimnar is alive also lol

[MaveriK]

Let's hope the rumored return of Russ is true and he saves us all Oh and I guess that Grimnar is alive also lol

not sure about Russ but they say a plastic Daemon Magnus is a for sure!

[Guest]

 

Are the Dark Angels still being made out to be chumps?

 

[Leif Bearclaw]

Tbh I don't really see how even the return of Russ is going to do anything at this point. Sure, it may 'save' the Chapter in the short term, but the battering we've apparently been handed here, coupled with the overall reduction in GC size to approx Codex Company (before getting seven shades of kicked out of them) is still shapi9ng up to be a Rynn's World/Celestial Lions scale disaster. If the losses stick (always uncertain with GW, admittedly), the loss in men and materiel already seems so severe that we'd be looking at decades to centuries before the Wolves return to anything approaching 'full strength'. Time which we just don't have in 999.m41. Kiss any major role in any new development of the 13th Black Crusade goodbye (or that'll just be what finishes us off...). This Warzone Fenris thing was probably always going to suck, whatever happened, the Wolves and/or the Imperium would emerge the loser (because we don't have enough of that already these days...).

End Times by inches, people. It's happening (especially if the Daemon Magnus pans out).

[Fang_Guard23]

 

Are the Dark Angels still being made out to be chumps?

 

yes

[lovesmuffins]

 

Are the Dark Angels still being made out to be chumps?

 

 

When aren't they :-P

[Grimtooth]

I have completely stopped buying anything from GW new and instead wait for it to hit the used bookstores.  The prices are stupid high and then I am just pissed off missing all the expensive online exclusive crap.  Until the VI has their HH book released, I am pretty much done in that era in terms of fluff.

[Guest]

 

 

Are the Dark Angels still being made out to be chumps?

 

 

When aren't they :-P

 

 

Well I can be safe in the knowledge the Wolves are getting a good kicking :)... Hopefully Ragnar will die :)

[Wispy]

Are the Dark Angels still being made out to be chumps?

When aren't they :-P

Well I can be safe in the knowledge the Wolves are getting a good kicking ... Hopefully Ragnar will die

go home little angel before you outstay your welcome.

[Kasper_Hawser]

Tbh I don't really see how even the return of Russ is going to do anything at this point. Sure, it may 'save' the Chapter in the short term, but the battering we've apparently been handed here, coupled with the overall reduction in GC size to approx Codex Company (before getting seven shades of kicked out of them) is still shapi9ng up to be a Rynn's World/Celestial Lions scale disaster. If the losses stick (always uncertain with GW, admittedly), the loss in men and materiel already seems so severe that we'd be looking at decades to centuries before the Wolves return to anything approaching 'full strength'. Time which we just don't have in 999.m41. Kiss any major role in any new development of the 13th Black Crusade goodbye (or that'll just be what finishes us off...). This Warzone Fenris thing was probably always going to suck, whatever happened, the Wolves and/or the Imperium would emerge the loser (because we don't have enough of that already these days...).

End Times by inches, people. It's happening (especially if the Daemon Magnus pans out).

If Russ comes back, one way he can help the chapter in the long term is gene seed replenishment. I'm not sure how gene seed is actually "produced", but one of the key ingredients needs to come fresh from a Primarch. I remember that both Thousand Sons and Emperor's Children were decimated to a few hundred before discovery of the primarch, and in less than 200 years before the heresy, both legions had bounced back to thousands, probably numbering at least 80,000 marines given that in Deliverance Lost, Corax led the Raven Guard force of about 80,000 and only survived with 3,000, and this is NOT counting those left behind on Deliverance.

So at the very least, Russ' return would help replenish the chapter to at least Pre-Curse of the Wulfen numbers, which is already quite big and more respectable than the standard Codex 1000 strong chapter. Of course they would mostly be blood claws, but the trade off would also be a large number of Wulfen, both old and new. Despite the decimation of the Great companies, I doubt any will be wiped out completely, and those who are not will have more Wulfen. But yeah, the pool of veteran Space Wolves will decrease drastically.

To say nothing of his fighting prowess and primarch powers. Of course, his return might be balanced by Daemon Magnus return but that's GW maintaining the balance of power as usual, with the Imperium barely holding on to advantages of numbers and resources by a hair's breath.

A lot of Inquisitors would probably shut up and stop hounding the Wolves (lol, pun not intended), knowing that a direct son of the Emperor is leading them, freeing the Wolves from further backstabbing.

Plus if Russ shows up, most likely Lion will show up. Personally, I think Russ would be able to sense his brother on the Rock, if he were allowed to step foot on it,

[NightHowler]

If Russ returns, it marks the beginning of the Wolf Time. As space wolves, we want Russ to return. As 40K players, I don't think we really want Russ to return because of what it would likely mean for the story - 40K would potentially get Sigmarred, or worse.

[MaveriK]

Tbh I don't really see how even the return of Russ is going to do anything at this point. Sure, it may 'save' the Chapter in the short term, but the battering we've apparently been handed here, coupled with the overall reduction in GC size to approx Codex Company (before getting seven shades of kicked out of them) is still shapi9ng up to be a Rynn's World/Celestial Lions scale disaster. If the losses stick (always uncertain with GW, admittedly), the loss in men and materiel already seems so severe that we'd be looking at decades to centuries before the Wolves return to anything approaching 'full strength'. Time which we just don't have in 999.m41. Kiss any major role in any new development of the 13th Black Crusade goodbye (or that'll just be what finishes us off...). This Warzone Fenris thing was probably always going to suck, whatever happened, the Wolves and/or the Imperium would emerge the loser (because we don't have enough of that already these days...).

End Times by inches, people. It's happening (especially if the Daemon Magnus pans out).

If Russ comes back, one way he can help the chapter in the long term is gene seed replenishment. I'm not sure how gene seed is actually "produced", but one of the key ingredients needs to come fresh from a Primarch. I remember that both Thousand Sons and Emperor's Children were decimated to a few hundred before discovery of the primarch, and in less than 200 years before the heresy, both legions had bounced back to thousands, probably numbering at least 80,000 marines given that in Deliverance Lost, Corax led the Raven Guard force of about 80,000 and only survived with 3,000, and this is NOT counting those left behind on Deliverance.

So at the very least, Russ' return would help replenish the chapter to at least Pre-Curse of the Wulfen numbers, which is already quite big and more respectable than the standard Codex 1000 strong chapter. Of course they would mostly be blood claws, but the trade off would also be a large number of Wulfen, both old and new. Despite the decimation of the Great companies, I doubt any will be wiped out completely, and those who are not will have more Wulfen. But yeah, the pool of veteran Space Wolves will decrease drastically.

To say nothing of his fighting prowess and primarch powers. Of course, his return might be balanced by Daemon Magnus return but that's GW maintaining the balance of power as usual, with the Imperium barely holding on to advantages of numbers and resources by a hair's breath.

A lot of Inquisitors would probably shut up and stop hounding the Wolves (lol, pun not intended), knowing that a direct son of the Emperor is leading them, freeing the Wolves from further backstabbing.

Plus if Russ shows up, most likely Lion will show up. Personally, I think Russ would be able to sense his brother on the Rock, if he were allowed to step foot on it,

Errr... you forget Fenris doesn't have a large population. Well at least we're not really given a total count, only speculation of how many candidates per tribe. Fewer depending on the season. It's not like in Ultimar were you have several planets to take from. Unless you start recruiting from the thousands of kaerls within the Fang itself, then I can see your logic as a possibility. Besides aren't there gene seeds in Mars also?

The only other possible way the numbers can return to fighting strength would be to bring back the lost companies. Once Russ returns so should the lost... as well as those on Terra. The 20 wolf blades can help the battered and remaining great companies. The unknown numbers or small war band 13th companies full of Stormclaws and Grey Slayers. Jotun Bearclaws great company etc etc.

[Fang_Guard23]

I keep thinking that the title of the next book is going to be called Redmaw

[Fang_Guard23]

Tbh I don't really see how even the return of Russ is going to do anything at this point. Sure, it may 'save' the Chapter in the short term, but the battering we've apparently been handed here, coupled with the overall reduction in GC size to approx Codex Company (before getting seven shades of kicked out of them) is still shapi9ng up to be a Rynn's World/Celestial Lions scale disaster. If the losses stick (always uncertain with GW, admittedly), the loss in men and materiel already seems so severe that we'd be looking at decades to centuries before the Wolves return to anything approaching 'full strength'. Time which we just don't have in 999.m41. Kiss any major role in any new development of the 13th Black Crusade goodbye (or that'll just be what finishes us off...). This Warzone Fenris thing was probably always going to suck, whatever happened, the Wolves and/or the Imperium would emerge the loser (because we don't have enough of that already these days...).

End Times by inches, people. It's happening (especially if the Daemon Magnus pans out).

If Russ comes back, one way he can help the chapter in the long term is gene seed replenishment. I'm not sure how gene seed is actually "produced", but one of the key ingredients needs to come fresh from a Primarch. I remember that both Thousand Sons and Emperor's Children were decimated to a few hundred before discovery of the primarch, and in less than 200 years before the heresy, both legions had bounced back to thousands, probably numbering at least 80,000 marines given that in Deliverance Lost, Corax led the Raven Guard force of about 80,000 and only survived with 3,000, and this is NOT counting those left behind on Deliverance.

So at the very least, Russ' return would help replenish the chapter to at least Pre-Curse of the Wulfen numbers, which is already quite big and more respectable than the standard Codex 1000 strong chapter. Of course they would mostly be blood claws, but the trade off would also be a large number of Wulfen, both old and new. Despite the decimation of the Great companies, I doubt any will be wiped out completely, and those who are not will have more Wulfen. But yeah, the pool of veteran Space Wolves will decrease drastically.

To say nothing of his fighting prowess and primarch powers. Of course, his return might be balanced by Daemon Magnus return but that's GW maintaining the balance of power as usual, with the Imperium barely holding on to advantages of numbers and resources by a hair's breath.

A lot of Inquisitors would probably shut up and stop hounding the Wolves (lol, pun not intended), knowing that a direct son of the Emperor is leading them, freeing the Wolves from further backstabbing.

Plus if Russ shows up, most likely Lion will show up. Personally, I think Russ would be able to sense his brother on the Rock, if he were allowed to step foot on it,

Errr... you forget Fenris doesn't have a large population. Well at least we're not really given a total count, only speculation of how many candidates per tribe. Fewer depending on the season. It's not like in Ultimar were you have several planets to take from. Unless you start recruiting from the thousands of kaerls within the Fang itself, then I can see your logic as a possibility. Besides aren't there gene seeds in Mars also?

The only other possible way the numbers can return to fighting strength would be to bring back the lost companies. Once Russ returns so should the lost... as well as those on Terra. The 20 wolf blades can help the battered and remaining great companies. The unknown numbers or small war band 13th companies full of Stormclaws and Grey Slayers. Jotun Bearclaws great company etc etc.

Recruiting would have to start pretty much immediately after the conflict is over. after reading in one of the previous shorts that the Redmaws can no longer be slowed down by the warp is interesting. so far only half of the chapter is in the fenris system, if the other half arrives then the crusade fleet is going to have some major issues of having to deal with the entire space wolves chapter and their fleets

[Leif Bearclaw]

If Russ comes back, one way he can help the chapter in the long term is gene seed replenishment. I'm not sure how gene seed is actually "produced", but one of the key ingredients needs to come fresh from a Primarch.

Gene-seed replenishment isn't an issue in the age of the Adpetus Astartes, the Wolves will have enough stockpiles in the Fang (assuming it survives) and Terra to recover numbers eventually. But time isn't on their side.

I remember that both Thousand Sons and Emperor's Children were decimated to a few hundred before discovery of the primarch, and in less than 200 years before the heresy, both legions had bounced back

Bold is the important bit. It still took them years tor recover, and that was with the Imperium at the height of its gene-wright prowess. I even mention this time-scale in the post you quoted. Given all the going down in 999.m41, we don't have years to recover, we probably don't even have months. Gene-seed isn't the limiting factor here. It takes time to find suitable recruits, further time to make them Astartes, and yet further time to train them to an acceptable standard (ignoring for the moment how slanted in favour of BCs that would make the Chapter). Plus you need to source replacement armour, weapons, tanks and ships from somewhere to boot. Hell, even at the height of accelerated recruitment in the GC/Heresy, didn't it take something like 2 years minimum to make an Astartes? No, what's left after Warzone Fenris is all we've got for the foreseeable future (certainly as long as GW are likely to run the clock). Which means (if the current impression pans out, of course) we're either facing complete extinction (just no enough men to sustain the Chapter on combat operations in the 13th), even with a Primarch, or irrelevance (as lack of focres means we have to sit out any major wars for the rest of m41).

Either way, this all just reeks of End Times BS.

Granted this is all relying on GW being somewhat consistent, but I have faith in their ability to shaft the Imperium .

[Guest Triszin]

I keep thinking that the title of the next book is going to be called Redmaw

 

 

so far

 

1. The Lost King

 

2. The young wolf returns

 

3. Lying in flames

 

4. The broken crown

 

5. Infurnance

 

6. **bloodied wolf

 

7. **The RedMaw

 

8. **Magnus

 

events that still need to occur

 

Redmaw returns, the return of logan, ulrik and his men, slaying of either the wolflords against the champions.  I expect Sven to bite it against Infurnance, only to have Harlod slay him. 

 

events will not conclude, but lead into Warzone fenris Part 2. is my guess, I expect the book in august =/

[NightHowler]

I have to disconnect my emotional attachment to it all.

 

I've decided that it doesn't matter. Every planet in the Fenris system can be subjected to exterminatus extremis. The Forces of the Space Wolves can be shattered. The remnants chased to the far reaches of the galaxy and declared excommunicate traitoris. Our heroes slain and our sagas redacted from the imperial records. It doesn't matter.

 

My great company will keep its oaths to Russ and the Allfather.

 

If I have to fight my battles in defense of mankind as a renegade, then my victories will be all the more epic.

 

So let them bring it. I still plan on coming out on top - because they can't feth up *my* fluff.

[sturguard]

I have a hard time believe SW will really be impacted by the stories to be honest. FW will soon be releasing a bunch of new SW kits for the Horus Heresy and my thought would be destroying them fluffwise wouldnt be good for sales. Ill admit that 30k and 40k are separate entities, but still some folks use their 30 and 40k interchangeably on the game board.

 

My guess is they get beat up in the stories but yet something at the end kind of brings them back to more or less full strength, whether it be lost companies joining them, or wulfen, or Russ (any number of things).

 

The one thing you can always bet on is GW wants to make money, and destroying the SW is not going to do that for them.

[Guest Triszin]

I have a hard time believe SW will really be impacted by the stories to be honest. FW will soon be releasing a bunch of new SW kits for the Horus Heresy and my thought would be destroying them fluffwise wouldnt be good for sales. Ill admit that 30k and 40k are separate entities, but still some folks use their 30 and 40k interchangeably on the game board.

 

My guess is they get beat up in the stories but yet something at the end kind of brings them back to more or less full strength, whether it be lost companies joining them, or wulfen, or Russ (any number of things).

 

The one thing you can always bet on is GW wants to make money, and destroying the SW is not going to do that for them.

 

Were not getting destroyed. However I could see this as a ploy for GW to get SM and other chapter specific toys to all chapters. Stormfangs  and Helfrost for everyone! Centurions for everyone! 

 

rumors are there will be significant impact to 40k, lore wise and big this to table top, such as primarchs, whether they be deamon or loyal.