Legacy of Russ 5: Infurnace (Disscustion)

[MaveriK]

Our chapter will be saved by rending ponies... a stampede full of rending ponies led by Lukas the Trickster. The end.

[Fang_Guard23]

after reading that the iron hands captain was happy that the wolves were being brought to heel annoyed me. I hope the daemon gets him first

[Fang_Guard23]

If the Blackmanes can take back Mjalnar then the wolves will have a stronger defence against the crusade fleet. It would be better if the wolves could regain control of the Claws of the World Wolf. but the way it seems that we might lose one or the other.

[Dantay VI]

Last line of the last book.

 

And Bjorn awoke from his slumber... It had all been a dream.

 

Bazinga!!

[Guest Triszin]

I thought about the conversation between ragnar and Delmornay

 

Mornay the inquisitor seems to want spacewolves to achieve there notoriety from before the Horus Hersey. Wants all other chapters and legions to fear the wolves as they once did, instead of how it is now, Iron hands being happy the wolves are being brought to heel. How dark angels transgress on there territory and bombard there system without approval of anyone.

 

 

This could actually be the greatest thing in the long run for the wolves. and inquisition....

 

Inquisition is more upfront with information with the wolves, they stop viewing the wolves as mutant heresey tratiorurs bastards. instead we resume our original role, wipe out traitors and chaos, assist the grey knights. We are the inquisition but we are not. 
 

we become the emperors execuitioners, and are allowed to have our legion size again (the smallest legion anyway). 

 

bjorn wakes up.

[Kasper_Hawser]

If Russ comes back, one way he can help the chapter in the long term is gene seed replenishment. I'm not sure how gene seed is actually "produced", but one of the key ingredients needs to come fresh from a Primarch.

Gene-seed replenishment isn't an issue in the age of the Adpetus Astartes, the Wolves will have enough stockpiles in the Fang (assuming it survives) and Terra to recover numbers eventually. But time isn't on their side.

I remember that both Thousand Sons and Emperor's Children were decimated to a few hundred before discovery of the primarch, and in less than 200 years before the heresy, both legions had bounced back

Bold is the important bit. It still took them years tor recover, and that was with the Imperium at the height of its gene-wright prowess. I even mention this time-scale in the post you quoted. Given all the going down in 999.m41, we don't have years to recover, we probably don't even have months. Gene-seed isn't the limiting factor here. It takes time to find suitable recruits, further time to make them Astartes, and yet further time to train them to an acceptable standard (ignoring for the moment how slanted in favour of BCs that would make the Chapter). Plus you need to source replacement armour, weapons, tanks and ships from somewhere to boot. Hell, even at the height of accelerated recruitment in the GC/Heresy, didn't it take something like 2 years minimum to make an Astartes? No, what's left after Warzone Fenris is all we've got for the foreseeable future (certainly as long as GW are likely to run the clock). Which means (if the current impression pans out, of course) we're either facing complete extinction (just no enough men to sustain the Chapter on combat operations in the 13th), even with a Primarch, or irrelevance (as lack of focres means we have to sit out any major wars for the rest of m41).

Either way, this all just reeks of End Times BS.

Granted this is all relying on GW being somewhat consistent, but I have faith in their ability to shaft the Imperium .

Well, if Corax can lead a few thousand Raven Guard post Istvaan and make the lives of the tens of thousands strong traitor legions miserable, I'm sure Russ can do the same with what's left of the Space Wolves even if they barely number 1000 by the end of the conflict.

I understand your concern that the Wolves don't have 2 centuries to replenish their numbers, but don't discount the ability of the primarch to hasten the Space Marine creation process. May not be fast, but it'll have to do for Russ to take the Space Wolves to fight in the wolftime, whenever it comes.

Besides, you are assuming that it'll only be a year before the End Times happens after CoTW. I don't think GW will hasten the end times that fast, if ever. After all, Logan is still suppose to be the supreme commander of the SM faction during the 13th Black Crusade, which I think will happen after this.

As for arms and armour, Imperium always seem to have an abundance of these so I wouldn't worry too much. Like you, I'm more worried about replenishment of the ranks.

[Nuclear Fridge]

I'd be surprised if the Dark Angels weren't still going to be portrayed as idiots... Just as the Imperial Fists are "the" guys to get slaughtered/killed off/blown to bits whenever some awesome way-cool bad guy of pure awesomeness needs to show off just how totally bad-ass they are... before the UltraSmurfs ride to save the day... Please...

[Fang_Guard23]

i really hope something bad happens to that Iron Captain

[Frater Cornelius]

Who thought that story was a good idea to begin with?

[Leif Bearclaw]

 

Well, if Corax can lead a few thousand Raven Guard post Istvaan and make the lives of the tens of thousands strong traitor legions miserable, I'm sure Russ can do the same with what's left of the Space Wolves even if they barely number 1000 by the end of the conflict. 

 

End? Man, with the nerfing they've handed out to the size of the GCs, we barely numbered 1000 before this mess (slight exaggeration, I know). The way things are going, I wouldn't be surprised if we're down to 2-300 or less by the time this blows over.

 

 

I understand your concern that the Wolves don't have 2 centuries to replenish their numbers, but don't discount the ability of the primarch to hasten the Space Marine creation process.

And don't overestimate it either. Remember making an Adeptus Astartes is a slower, more involved process, by design, than making a Legiones Astartes. Unless the Wolves are magically (ie. find someone who knows how to do it that way) going to go back to 30k-era Marine hot-housing to boost numbers (which still may not work, as the VI gene-seed isn't the easiest to handle).

 

 

Besides, you are assuming that it'll only be a year before the End Times happens after CoTW. I don't think GW will hasten the end times that fast, if ever. After all, Logan is still suppose to be the supreme commander of the SM faction during the 13th Black Crusade, which I think will happen after this.

You misunderstand. I'm increasingly of the opinion that we're already in the End Times (with either Warzone:Fenris or Damocles being the start). If we assume Fenris happens in 999.m41 (GW are getting really bad about dating events), then the 13th Crusade (obviously a major plot point in our 'End Times') happens within a year. There's no getting around it, unless they reveal and push back the date for Fenris. Logan's role in the 13th can be retconned as easily as Midgaardia was created, unfortunately that can't be taken as indicative of the Chapter's survival as an effective combat force.

 

 

As for arms and armour, Imperium always seem to have an abundance of these so I wouldn't worry too much.

Not the good stuff though. Getting new Strike Cruisers, Land Raiders, TDA, Dreadnought hulls, plasma weaponry, power weapons (ie. all the stuff you really need if you're rumbling with a Black Crusade) is a lot rarer than PA, Bolters and Rhinos. Plus, we haven;t seen any mothballed stockpiles of Marine gear in the Imperium's logistic chain, so any replacements most likely have to manufactured fresh, which isn't ideal in such a time limited situation. Of course men is the primary issue, but that doesn't stop materiel also being a concern.

[Kasper_Hawser]

LOL Leif, you're such a pessimist. Good sign that you're a true Vlka Fenryka. Accept the grimdark fate even as we drink and enjoy life to the max before the end. Except you seem determine to see negative no matter what even if there are positive points like the possible return of Russ himself.

 

In regards to the arms of the Space Wolves, somehow I always assumed that the Fang's own forges seem enough for the Wolves, especially since their weapons are mostly traditional marine weapons of flamer, melta and plasma, the exception being Hellfrost. There's no mention of nearby forgeworlds that supply Fenris. Either way, you are right in that the supplies and arms of the Wolves will be sorely taxed.

 

Then again, I think the dreadnought pool and other stockpiles won't be too affected. The fang hasn't been penetrated yet, Krom's company is still holding defensive patterns and so far, nobody has awoken all the dreadnoughts to do a march of the ancients like what happened during the first invasion by Magnus.

 

You're going to need men to wear the armour and arms though, so I believe supplies are secondary concern to the number replenishment which I hope Russ can speed along.

[MaveriK]

I kinda wish they (GW) focused more on other chapters like Raven Guard, Salamanders or White Scars than give us this... but then again we wouldn't have gotten new plastics and rules at the same time. Curious once FW 30K Leman Russ comes out with his rules, if GW will re-introduce a 40K alternate rules for him.

[NightHowler]

The rumors right now make it sound like the next big thing is the return of the Demon Primarchs (most likely starting with Magnus obviously), and then vague hints that at least some of the Loyalist Primarchs may also return (Russ being the most obvious here as well since we have seen a model, but I imagine the Lion may also be in the cards - but again, these rumors aren't anywhere near as solid as the Demon Primarch rumors).

[Guest Triszin]

The rumors right now make it sound like the next big thing is the return of the Demon Primarchs (most likely starting with Magnus obviously), and then vague hints that at least some of the Loyalist Primarchs may also return (Russ being the most obvious here as well since we have seen a model, but I imagine the Lion may also be in the cards - but again, these rumors aren't anywhere near as solid as the Demon Primarch rumors).

with the beast arrises, it is heavily hinted that Vulkan might return. I see Russ being one of the last primarchs to return. Maybe even after Guilliman

[RikuEru]

Well, regarding the whole marine recruitment:

If this escalates even further and demons or Thousand Sons do attack Fenris/the Fang I bet many Kaerls and young Fenrisian would (try to) prove their worth and fight those.

Probably most wipl be close to death but it could give a new wave of initiates.

They could say that Midgardia and... what was planet nr 3 called again?... population is entirely Fenrisian heritage. *Gasp!* And it was only lost knowledge and it was never tried, because of the Wolf Brother debacle.

 

And after the War for Fenris is over, most of the Space Wolves will either have higher control over their inner wolf (because they resisted) or embraced it (became Wulfen).

So the Grey Hunters and maybe even Blood Claws who did NOT turn, forcefully learned to control their rage in short time - so there could be new Wolf Guard Candidates.

 

And IF Leman Russ and his most elite brothers do return (or maybe even 13th Company or parts of the Wolf Brothers beneath the Aett?) they would probably bring with them some old knowledge and rituals.

(Just like the overly large weapons on the wall - I doubt that was entirely an arms-ex-machina thing to legitimate the Wulfen models. It felt like an obvious hint.)

 

"Blessing of the Wolf King" making the helix more stable - or rather more effective = an initiate who embraces the wolf, becomes one of the "sentient" Wulfen (and not a Wolf rampaging through the frozen wastes)

Or new blood of Russ rejuvenating the Cup of the Wulfen or some such.

 

This is entirely my random rambling of ideas. Don't know if all of them would fit the fluff. But what I wanted to say is:

 

There are enough possibilites to write in a solution. Probably even ones that make sense and we can be happy with.

And I hope Mister McNieven can pull it off. He's a BL newbie and I doubt he would want his first big work to be hated by the fanbase ^^ (And he seems to be a big lore fan)

[Ozeryk_Sleipnijr]

 "The beast arises" takes place in 32K before Vulcan even disappeared.

[Guest Triszin]

 "The beast arises" takes place in 32K before Vulcan even disappeared.

yep I derped.

 

 

author stated that Part 6 should be out in the next few days. so keep an eye out.

 

he said GW and BL told him no killing of any characters (he really wanted to kill canis), but they gave him some free reign on the extended fenris system, besides fenris itself. ( I think BL and GW goofed, but lets ee how all this plays out.)

 

Describes the changeling as one of the single most powerful, and tactical minded characters in the current 40k universe

 

courtesy of Natfka

 

interview with him: starts at 30:30

http://hwcdn.libsyn.com/p/6/e/7/6e7fabd57d84eaa5/ep_151_-_Legacy_of_Russ_wRobbie_MacNiven.mp3?c_id=12093964&expiration=1467328034&hwt=1868fa9d6d560ceecfcd075cc71949ad

 

@ 1:01:00

 

he hints that a villain from the William King : orignal trilogy Ragnar novels might make a return. 

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anyone read that series? any idra who the villain is? 

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@1:12:00

 

states that wulfen have a wide spectrum of intelligence from regressed feral, to fully sentient (there leaders). Wanted to do a named wulfen character for the 8 part series but didnt have enough word length to add one.

[Fang_Guard23]

 

 "The beast arises" takes place in 32K before Vulcan even disappeared.

yep I derped.

 

 

author stated that Part 6 should be out in the next few days. so keep an eye out.

 

he said GW and BL told him no killing of any characters (he really wanted to kill canis), but they gave him some free reign on the extended fenris system, besides fenris itself. ( I think BL and GW goofed, but lets ee how all this plays out.)

 

Describes the changeling as one of the single most powerful, and tactical minded characters in the current 40k universe

 

courtesy of Natfka

 

interview with him: starts at 30:30

http://hwcdn.libsyn.com/p/6/e/7/6e7fabd57d84eaa5/ep_151_-_Legacy_of_Russ_wRobbie_MacNiven.mp3?c_id=12093964&expiration=1467328034&hwt=1868fa9d6d560ceecfcd075cc71949ad

 

@ 1:01:00

 

he hints that a villain from the William King : orignal trilogy Ragnar novels might make a return. 

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

anyone read that series? any idra who the villain is? 

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

 

@1:12:00

 

states that wulfen have a wide spectrum of intelligence from regressed feral, to fully sentient (there leaders). Wanted to do a named wulfen character for the 8 part series but didnt have enough word length to add one.

 

I figured that they were going to change the release date, it was supposed to wrap up in October but after seeing that they've already released the 5 books I realized that they are going to release 2 every month. Author didn't really confirm but it should wrap up in August, part 6 should come out on the 4th part 7 two weeks later, and final part on in august, along with an audio drama.

[MaveriK]

Madox is back?

[Jarl Kjaran Coldheart]

Couldnt he bring back somebody that doesnt suck, like Haegr?

 

WLK

[Dantay VI]

This series is getting more stupid by the book.

[Runefyre]

At least if the author can't kill any characters off, Grimnar is safe. As well as the Lords facing down those GDs.

[Frater Cornelius]

At least if the author can't kill any characters off, Grimnar is safe. As well as the Lords facing down those GDs.

 

Well, if everyone and everything is dead apart from those characters, then it won't do us much good, would it?

[Lukasthetrickster]

Considering that Grimnar's fate has been prophesied to directly tie in with the fate of the chapter since he was recruited, I think it's safe to say that somehow some way, if Grimnar lives, the chapter will survive.

 

How the wolves will be dug out of the hole they're in, I have no idea. But Grimnar living, if Ulrik's words are correct, will basically mean the chapter is going to live, though I'm not sure in what capacity they will still exist. Could just be a handful of Great Companies with Wolf Lords that need to replenish the ranks.

[MaveriK]

just because the author wasn't allowed to kill off main characters, it also doesn't prevent him from ruining them or drastically changing said characters. ie. everything about Canis sucks? Agreed! Alright since I can't kill him off, I'll make him better by crippling him during a fight but returning him with cybernetic implants.

 

Also would have been nice to have the 13th company Rune Priest running around using Gate powers to help Grimnar....