Naminé Posted June 22, 2016 Share Posted June 22, 2016 So in a moment of madness, I thought up something a little crazy about Celestine's act of faith: that it might actually apply to a whole unit, and not just her. In the codex her AoF does not specify that it effects her unit like the others, and it merely talks about how it is used for her alone, but it does NOT specify that she alone is the only one it effects either. Now under the rules for Acts of Faith, it specifically states that a unit's Act of Faith will detail times when it does NOT apply to the whole unit. Does this mean that Celestine's AoF can revive lost models in her unit? Because I'm having a hard time seeing how it doesn't :o Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323406-the-true-power-of-miraculous-intervention/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aqui Posted June 22, 2016 Share Posted June 22, 2016 Can you imagine if GW ratified that and said that yes, it can and does affect the unit she's attached to? The nerd rage would be significant. Either that or a sudden and massive number of small Orders attached to Marine and other Imperial armies...for "Character" Someone more articulate than I in the ways of the Sisterhood should question GW immediately! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323406-the-true-power-of-miraculous-intervention/#findComment-4426573 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Servant of Dante Posted June 22, 2016 Share Posted June 22, 2016 So in a moment of madness, I thought up something a little crazy about Celestine's act of faith: that it might actually apply to a whole unit, and not just her. In the codex her AoF does not specify that it effects her unit like the others, and it merely talks about how it is used for her alone, but it does NOT specify that she alone is the only one it effects either. Now under the rules for Acts of Faith, it specifically states that a unit's Act of Faith will detail times when it does NOT apply to the whole unit. Does this mean that Celestine's AoF can revive lost models in her unit? Because I'm having a hard time seeing how it doesn't This would be fun, but one of the most outrageous fluff fails of all time. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323406-the-true-power-of-miraculous-intervention/#findComment-4426607 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kabbala Posted June 22, 2016 Share Posted June 22, 2016 I don't know how you would interpret her rule that way. It very clearly says that it is only her the comes back. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323406-the-true-power-of-miraculous-intervention/#findComment-4426623 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BitsHammer Posted June 23, 2016 Share Posted June 23, 2016 Acts of Faith can only apply to models with the rule so even if you could fly Zombie Seraphim about the board the effect would still be relatively limited. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323406-the-true-power-of-miraculous-intervention/#findComment-4426745 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Servant of Dante Posted June 23, 2016 Share Posted June 23, 2016 Acts of Faith can only apply to models with the rule so even if you could fly Zombie Seraphim about the board the effect would still be relatively limited. Aaaah! Heresy! Gaaaaah! Burn it now! So many genres conflicting with each other! You know what, drop the flamer! I'm calling in Exterminatus! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323406-the-true-power-of-miraculous-intervention/#findComment-4427228 Share on other sites More sharing options...
sedibear Posted June 23, 2016 Share Posted June 23, 2016 lol big blob of 20 sisters Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323406-the-true-power-of-miraculous-intervention/#findComment-4427287 Share on other sites More sharing options...
grendal1989 Posted June 24, 2016 Share Posted June 24, 2016 The text of the codex explicitly states that "Unlike other Acts of Faith, Miraculous Intervention can only be used when Saint Celestine is removed as a casualty." This seems pretty clear that it is different from other Acts and that it only is for Celestine. Also, can you imagine the horrific interactions that would come from a unit having this rule being surrounded in CC having casualties placed more than 1" away from other models. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323406-the-true-power-of-miraculous-intervention/#findComment-4427931 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naminé Posted June 24, 2016 Author Share Posted June 24, 2016 The text of the codex explicitly states that "Unlike other Acts of Faith, Miraculous Intervention can only be used when Saint Celestine is removed as a casualty." This seems pretty clear that it is different from other Acts and that it only is for Celestine. Also, can you imagine the horrific interactions that would come from a unit having this rule being surrounded in CC having casualties placed more than 1" away from other models. But it doesn't SAY that it is just Saint Celestine it effects, only that it triggers when she dies. Again, if we follow the RAW under act of faith, it doesn't say anywhere that it doesn't apply to a whole unit :p Plus why would the placement be an issue? it would work the same as when Celestine cannot return within an inch of where she died: they just move the minimum distance. By the way guys, I'm not saying this is how it's supposed to work - but I've yet to see anything stated in the rules that would mean it doesn't. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323406-the-true-power-of-miraculous-intervention/#findComment-4428028 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zaemie Posted June 24, 2016 Share Posted June 24, 2016 In my codex Miraculous Intervention specifically states that you place Saint Celestine back on the table. By contrast, The Passion states that all models in the Canoness' unit are affected. Dare I ask which version of the codex you are referencing? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323406-the-true-power-of-miraculous-intervention/#findComment-4428061 Share on other sites More sharing options...
grendal1989 Posted June 24, 2016 Share Posted June 24, 2016 Issue being if you had a surrounded squad that survived a round of combat with losses then had models respawning behind the sea of enemy units that surrounded the original unit that they are originally part of but so far out of coherency. The whole thing stinks of NECROMANCY! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323406-the-true-power-of-miraculous-intervention/#findComment-4428062 Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Furyou Miko Posted June 29, 2016 Share Posted June 29, 2016 It's not Necromancy, it's their souls returning to the battlefield as a host of golden angels. At the end of the battle, they vanish back into the aether, to join the war for terra... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323406-the-true-power-of-miraculous-intervention/#findComment-4431466 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BitsHammer Posted June 29, 2016 Share Posted June 29, 2016 It's not Necromancy, it's their souls returning to the battlefield as a host of golden angels. At the end of the battle, they vanish back into the aether, to join the war for terra...Sounds like the talk of a heretic. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323406-the-true-power-of-miraculous-intervention/#findComment-4431808 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DerekLee688 Posted June 29, 2016 Share Posted June 29, 2016 It's not Necromancy, it's their souls returning to the battlefield as a host of golden angels. At the end of the battle, they vanish back into the aether, to join the war for terra...Sounds like the talk of a heretic. I guess I know who the Legion of the Damned won't help. :p Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323406-the-true-power-of-miraculous-intervention/#findComment-4431818 Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Furyou Miko Posted June 29, 2016 Share Posted June 29, 2016 It's not Necromancy, it's their souls returning to the battlefield as a host of golden angels. At the end of the battle, they vanish back into the aether, to join the war for terra...Sounds like the talk of a heretic. I'm sorry, forgive me, I'll never play Soulstorm again...! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323406-the-true-power-of-miraculous-intervention/#findComment-4432036 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Servant of Dante Posted June 29, 2016 Share Posted June 29, 2016 It's not Necromancy, it's their souls returning to the battlefield as a host of golden angels. At the end of the battle, they vanish back into the aether, to join the war for terra...Sounds like the talk of a heretic.I'm sorry, forgive me, I'll never play Soulstorm again...! "Praise be to the Emperor for giving us this point!" That's what I learned in the 1 game of DoW I've played (I was, of course, playing Soulstorm) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323406-the-true-power-of-miraculous-intervention/#findComment-4432097 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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