mertbl Posted June 29, 2016 Share Posted June 29, 2016 Would tempestus valkaryies still be owned and operated by the imperial navy? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323572-tempestus-valkaryies/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emicus Posted June 30, 2016 Share Posted June 30, 2016 Really interested to hear the opinnions of the real fluffheads on this :) *begins brewing popcorn* Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323572-tempestus-valkaryies/#findComment-4432146 Share on other sites More sharing options...
walter h Posted June 30, 2016 Share Posted June 30, 2016 Yes sir. Nuff, said. Consider the airforces specops pilots they work closely with the army rangers, and green berets, but are still airmen. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323572-tempestus-valkaryies/#findComment-4432204 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorFish Posted June 30, 2016 Share Posted June 30, 2016 There's no mention explicitly as far as I know, so I'd assume it's the same as with normal Guard. So they're still Navy, but often repaint themselves and take on regimental markings etc as a show of unity during a campaign or perhaps or respect or camouflage - or even just fitting in ;) Â I would assume these are either given extra training or perhaps it's a more literal owning thing in that the Valkyries are still Navy owned, but the pilots are Stormtroopers? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323572-tempestus-valkaryies/#findComment-4432315 Share on other sites More sharing options...
duz_ Posted June 30, 2016 Share Posted June 30, 2016 The fluff for my army is that they're navy fighters supporting my forcemail but given the length of the campaign they've taken on my armoured regiments colours. Â I think that is mentioned somewhere in the Codex? I'm sure I've read it somewhere before. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323572-tempestus-valkaryies/#findComment-4432453 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorFish Posted June 30, 2016 Share Posted June 30, 2016 If it's not in the current codex it was definitely in the previous one, which gives you plenty of scope to worth with in either your regimental colours or in Navy blues (or another regiment...) :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323572-tempestus-valkaryies/#findComment-4432456 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galron Posted June 30, 2016 Share Posted June 30, 2016 I would say no unless its one of those leg storm trooper units. In the Elysium list its says somewhere that the Valks they use belong directly to the regiment and not the navy. I see no reason the storm trooper regiments would be any different. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323572-tempestus-valkaryies/#findComment-4432474 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mertbl Posted July 1, 2016 Author Share Posted July 1, 2016 Just curious, i had the thought to check the tempestus codex, i was hoping for bs4 valks. Let down to find out the Imperial navy was flying them at bs3. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323572-tempestus-valkaryies/#findComment-4433128 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoffeeGrunt Posted July 1, 2016 Share Posted July 1, 2016 Well they're copy-pasted, so it's unsurprising. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323572-tempestus-valkaryies/#findComment-4433141 Share on other sites More sharing options...
march10k Posted July 1, 2016 Share Posted July 1, 2016 Hmmm....that is actually a really interesting question...stormtroopers aren't IG, so...their valks might or might not belong to the navy (ignoring what's in the codex fluff about these "scions"), although "IG" valkyries are Navy .  If you go back to some older stormtrooper fluff, the stormtroopers themselves are navy, so it would make a ton of sense for their birds to be navy, too...and in that version of stormtrooper fluff, the idea of tauroxes would be absolutely absurd.  Back then, inquisitorial stormtroopers were also a thing.  Given that an inquisitor can just take whatever forces he needs on a whim, it really wouldn't matter if inquisitorial stormtroopers or their birds were actually originally navy or not, as the idea is that they're (semi-?) permanently attached to the inquisitor's retinue.  Kasrkin are yet another variation...they are IG, but only Cadia has them...or are they IG?  The line between PDF and IG is pretty nonexistent when you're talking about Cadian forces...but it is an interesting question, whether Kasrkin valkyries belong to Cadia or the Navy...and if they're navy, what's the relationship between them, Creed, and the regiment they fly around?  This potentially of marks an exception to the "IG vaks are actually navy" rule, but then again, Kasrkin are an exception to the "Stormtroopers are not IG rule," except that Kasrkin aren't really stormtroopers, are they?  What a glorious mess...Who's on first! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323572-tempestus-valkaryies/#findComment-4433381 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorFish Posted July 1, 2016 Share Posted July 1, 2016 The issue is only that GW haven't bothered to detail the relationship for Stormtrooper Valkyries properly. Maybe you could draw conclusions from their BS3 but that's likely just GW's copy pasting/rules so probably has fairly little lore weight... so as ever if there are blanks you can fill them in yourself ;) Â Kasrkin have always been a Cadian force though; highly trained and equipped such that they were more or less the equals of Stormtroopers. A little bit of a grey area perhaps, but 40k likes that sort of thing anyway :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323572-tempestus-valkaryies/#findComment-4433399 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emicus Posted July 2, 2016 Share Posted July 2, 2016 If one planet/faction is capable of doing something... you can be sure another place in the vast galaxy had the same great idea and subsequent success.​After all, if you can have a pinnacle of human condition, other humans can reach it too. Not all obviously, but with billions upon billions... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323572-tempestus-valkaryies/#findComment-4433615 Share on other sites More sharing options...
march10k Posted July 2, 2016 Share Posted July 2, 2016 If one planet/faction is capable of doing something... you can be sure another place in the vast galaxy had the same great idea and subsequent success. ​After all, if you can have a pinnacle of human condition, other humans can reach it too. Not all obviously, but with billions upon billions... While this is certainly true, as far as it goes...Cadia is unique because it sits in the Eye of Cadia on top of a whole crap-load of Necron pylons...One can't rule out the possibility of other planets having bog-stock human soldiers that are the equal of the Kasrkin (and those lost boys from the schola), but it would be pretty unusual. Occasional ork incursions and the potential to lie in the path of a future hive fleet isn't exactly the same as Cadia's galactic geography, and it's precisely that geography and history that sets Cadia's hypermilitaristic culture above the rest, and that is really the prerequisite for something like Kasrkin. Either you quarantine the candidate as an infant and indoctrinate him for several decades (stormtroopers), or you simply select the best candidates from a culture that is quite frankly a mental health tranwreck through and through. Training and equipment can be applied to prime specimens from any planet, but that doesn't cut it. Planets capable of churning out regiments of Kasrkin are about as common as planets capable of producing jungle fighters on par with Catachan...there are probably a few...but very very few. No problem with running a DiY that's fluff-wise on par with Krieg, Cadia, Catachan, or whatever flavor you choose, hell, my own Cadians are actually Numericans . But these named planets are virtually unique. Krieg, frinstance, raises dozens of regiments per year. The norm for a planet with a similar-sized population is two regiments per generation! They are able to do so through the sanctioned use of preproductive technology that the martians have banned as dangerous and heretical. I don't think exceptions to policy like that are mundane... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323572-tempestus-valkaryies/#findComment-4434001 Share on other sites More sharing options...
steellegionnaire85 Posted July 2, 2016 Share Posted July 2, 2016 It worked for Sparta Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323572-tempestus-valkaryies/#findComment-4434031 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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