Legacy of Russ 6: Wolf Trap (Discussion)

[lovesmuffins]

 

 

RobMac,

 

Thanks for coming along and joining the conversation; that's very cool of you, and I for one appreciate getting to enjoy additional perspective straight from the author.

 

V

No worries, it's a pleasure to be here. I knew as soon as I saw some rumour sites declaring that Fenris had been destroyed that there would be a lot of misinformation, so just trying to combat that. Plus, I've been a lurker here for, like, a decade. Now seemed as good a time to join as any!

 

But please, I'm not here to cramp anyone's style, speak freely :)

Am I the only one fanboying here?

[Lukasthetrickster]

I'm reserving my right to fanboy until the conclusion of the story.

 

(Maybe just a little inward fanboy though)

[Yoyo ninja]

@Robmac I have to say I'm really enjoying your mini series and I'm looking forward to the next 2 instalments.

As for my pack mates, I really don't like seeing the Vlka getting a battering either. I really can't see GW letting them get destroyed though, it would upset a lot of loyal fans and they made a lot of new models for them recently so will be wanting to make the money in the molds still. So as long as I still get to play games with a chapter I love, it's all good. And hay, using the wolves to further the 40k story is fine by me, it's great being involved.

 

I know your not aloud to say to much Rob but are you aloud to say if you will be writing the next part of the war zone fenris fluff?

[Guest]

Are you going to continue to treat DA like chumps? We have an author for that already....

[Yoyo ninja]

The dress wearers are chumps ;)

[RobMac]

Are you going to continue to treat DA like chumps? We have an author for that already....

The story has decreed it, but wait and see what happens in the finale.

Also, people often underestimate the Changeling - he's literally the tricksiest daemon in existence bar Tzeentch. He already messed up the Wolves in Legends of the Dark Millennium.

RobMac,

Thanks for coming along and joining the conversation; that's very cool of you, and I for one appreciate getting to enjoy additional perspective straight from the author.

V

No worries, it's a pleasure to be here. I knew as soon as I saw some rumour sites declaring that Fenris had been destroyed that there would be a lot of misinformation, so just trying to combat that. Plus, I've been a lurker here for, like, a decade. Now seemed as good a time to join as any!

But please, I'm not here to cramp anyone's style, speak freely

Am I the only one fanboying here?

I didn't think I was well enough established to have fans!

[RobMac]

I know your not aloud to say to much Rob but are you aloud to say if you will be writing the next part of the war zone fenris fluff?

I was, but got pulled off it for reassignment to different top-secret writings. 

[Guest]

Are you going to continue to treat DA like chumps? We have an author for that already....

The story has decreed it, but wait and see what happens in the finale.

Also, people often underestimate the Changeling - he's literally the tricksiest daemon in existence bar Tzeentch. He already messed up the Wolves in Legends of the Dark Millennium.

Its not that I get the Changeling is tricksey ... I think for me its just more how we get treated in GW fiction at the best of times so to see us tricked so easy reminds me most of Gav's destruction of our fluff.

I hope you prove me wrong, I hope for a Bro Fist moment where the DA and SW stand together. If the galaxy is going to hell infighting between 2 1st founding chapters is the last thing we need.

The dress wearers are chumps

Isnt it time for your bi-monthly flea bath

[Runefyre]

Are you going to continue to treat DA like chumps? We have an author for that already....

The story has decreed it, but wait and see what happens in the finale.

Also, people often underestimate the Changeling - he's literally the tricksiest daemon in existence bar Tzeentch. He already messed up the Wolves in Legends of the Dark Millennium.

Its not that I get the Changeling is tricksey ... I think for me its just more how we get treated in GW fiction at the best of times so to see us tricked so easy reminds me most of Gav's destruction of our fluff.

I hope you prove me wrong, I hope for a Bro Fist moment where the DA and SW stand together. If the galaxy is going to hell infighting between 2 1st founding chapters is the last thing we need.

That's what I'm hoping for as well, a return to the old "we hate each other but we're still like the best bros when push comes to shove".

The dress wearers are chumps

Isnt it time for your bi-monthly flea bath

So soon?

[RobMac]

I hope you prove me wrong, I hope for a Bro Fist moment where the DA and SW stand together. If the galaxy is going to hell infighting between 2 1st founding chapters is the last thing we need.

Well, not long until we see, one way or another

Also, I feel I should point out that not all plot points will be tied up at the end of this!

[Guest Triszin]

RobMac just remember to not leak any information. I don't want your job i jeopardy because your talking with the fans and base.

 

 

 

what I'm secretly hoping for:

 

Wolves all must retreat to fenris, or are embattled all around the system. There in the ancient vaults krom finds a relay signal station, it is a recall signal. Meant to recall all the fenrisian fleets to fenris incase of an emergency.

 

Across all receivers in the imperium, the entire galaxy, a signal received by all even the xenos. A hair raising, spine numbing howl, IG commanders freeze in fear when they hear it, xenos are terrified and confused. This signal, this Howl is across all spectrums, physic and reality based, flooding all networks, drowning everything else out. It is only meant for the wolves, and wolves answer the call. All the Lost, whether they be wolf or marine, answer the call. Great companies thought to be lost millennia before, companies on exile, or lost in the warp return home, jump rifts opening all over the system, gates opening on the worlds, and the wolves come streaming home. The wolves are now legion once more, only still missing there primarch, there barbarian king. But he woke from his slumber.

[Yoyo ninja]

Isnt it time for your bi-monthly flea bath

Ooo, I love bath time, stops the itching!haha

[Leif Bearclaw]

Also, people often underestimate the Changeling - he's literally the tricksiest daemon in existence bar Tzeentch. He already messed up the Wolves in Legends of the Dark Millennium.

But the DAs still do stuff like 'Oh the one witness we had to the Wolves' corruption has mysteriously disappeared on The Rock itself. That isn't suspicious in the slightest, carry on attacking a fellow 1st Founding Chapter!'. I realise this isn't directly your doing, but it still sets a dodgy tone for the entire Warzone story.

This is actually why I the Changeling itself is a problem, only really suited to throw away comedy short stories to enrich a codex (not that there's many of them any more ). It's power set is so ludicrous, and frankly binary, that it seems to automatically devalue the story it appears in. There only seems to be 2 option with Changeling, either it fails and gets destroyed, which makes it seem impotent and pointless, or it's stupidly hard to catch, capable of waltzing past wards and defences that should restrict/detect it (such as those in the Fang itself, that even Magnus couldn't ignore), which makes it an OP Sue-esque plot device. Better it had never been added to the fluff imo.

[Runefyre]

Also, people often underestimate the Changeling - he's literally the tricksiest daemon in existence bar Tzeentch. He already messed up the Wolves in Legends of the Dark Millennium.

But the DAs still do stuff like 'Oh the one witness we had to the Wolves' corruption has mysteriously disappeared on The Rock itself. That isn't suspicious in the slightest, carry on attacking a fellow 1st Founding Chapter!'. I realise this isn't directly your doing, but it still sets a dodgy tone for the entire Warzone story.

This is actually why I the Changeling itself is a problem, only really suited to throw away comedy short stories to enrich a codex (not that there's many of them any more ). It's power set is so ludicrous, and frankly binary, that it seems to automatically devalue the story it appears in. There only seems to be 2 option with Changeling, either it fails and gets destroyed, which makes it seem impotent and pointless, or it's stupidly hard to catch, capable of waltzing past wards and defences that should restrict/detect it (such as those in the Fang itself, that even Magnus couldn't ignore), which makes it an OP Sue-esque plot device. Better it had never been added to the fluff imo.

Welp, that's tzeentch for ya

[Frater Cornelius]

More like DA hypocrisy and idiocy :P

[TheWolfLord]

RobMac just remember to not leak any information. I don't want your job i jeopardy because your talking with the fans and base.

 

 

 

what I'm secretly hoping for:

 

Wolves all must retreat to fenris, or are embattled all around the system. There in the ancient vaults krom finds a relay signal station, it is a recall signal. Meant to recall all the fenrisian fleets to fenris incase of an emergency.

 

Across all receivers in the imperium, the entire galaxy, a signal received by all even the xenos. A hair raising, spine numbing howl, IG commanders freeze in fear when they hear it, xenos are terrified and confused. This signal, this Howl is across all spectrums, physic and reality based, flooding all networks, drowning everything else out. It is only meant for the wolves, and wolves answer the call. All the Lost, whether they be wolf or marine, answer the call. Great companies thought to be lost millennia before, companies on exile, or lost in the warp return home, jump rifts opening all over the system, gates opening on the worlds, and the wolves come streaming home. The wolves are now legion once more, only still missing there primarch, there barbarian king. But he woke from his slumber.

Sounds an exciting and amazing event but that's some rediculously powerful piece of tech. Plus many lost groups are years away even at Warp speed so the call would have had to have been made already.

 

I'm keen for events to move forward based on known lore if possible, the return of Russ and the 13th adding 100's if not 1000's of Wolves back into the chapter is going to happen at some point so that's realistic.

 

Even have the lost Wolves return after receiving visions of Russ and undergoing Great Hunts bringing them home fits with lore better, we know at many times prominent figures within the Chapter have had similar visions.

 

At the very beginning of Curse of the Wulfen Krom, Harald and Ulrik had dreams that lead them to Murderfangs vault. It's not unrealistic to say that leaders of the scattered Space Wolves had a similar dream and perceived an imminent threat to Fenris and the Chapter, that would be a good reason to prompt them to travel home as fast as they were able to.

[Runefyre]

More like DA hypocrisy and idiocy

That to.

[Yoyo ninja]

 

 

I know your not aloud to say to much Rob but are you aloud to say if you will be writing the next part of the war zone fenris fluff?

I was, but got pulled off it for reassignment to different top-secret writings.

That's a shame, I have enjoyed your writing style. I'll keep an eye open for your next top secret project.

[RobMac]

I know your not aloud to say to much Rob but are you aloud to say if you will be writing the next part of the war zone fenris fluff?

I was, but got pulled off it for reassignment to different top-secret writings.

That's a shame, I have enjoyed your writing style. I'll keep an eye open for your next top secret project.

Thanks! One thing I've been working on that's not under wraps is a Carcharodons Astra novel. Initially the editors were doubtful about how many people would buy it when I proposed it, but I managed to convince them I thought it'd sell, even if it wasn't about a First Founding Chapter. If it does indeed get decent sales it's earmarked to be the first of a trilogy. Out in January

[Dantay VI]

Leif, the reason the Changeling gained access to the Fang and caused such mayhem is because he was by the Stormcaller, who was fooled into believing tat the Changeling was a Fenrisian Chieftain.invited in and therefore the wards were not used against him.

 

A bit like letting a vampire in your house from the movie Lost Boys, or Bran being marked by a White Walker.

 

When Magnus and Co came calling, they were unwelcome gusts and therefore the wards were set against them.

[Runefyre]

I know your not aloud to say to much Rob but are you aloud to say if you will be writing the next part of the war zone fenris fluff?

I was, but got pulled off it for reassignment to different top-secret writings.

That's a shame, I have enjoyed your writing style. I'll keep an eye open for your next top secret project.

Thanks! One thing I've been working on that's not under wraps is a Carcharodons Astra novel. Initially the editors were doubtful about how many people would buy it when I proposed it, but I managed to convince them I thought it'd sell, even if it wasn't about a First Founding Chapter. If it does indeed get decent sales it's earmarked to be the first of a trilogy. Out in January

Charcharadons? Count me in!

Just in time for my birthday to

[Dantay VI]

And the great call, goes out.

 

Wolves one and all flock to the Fang to defend it from annihilation.

 

Only to find they have all been herded to one location and are all now smack-dab in the gun sights of Abaddon's Planet Killer. Cunningly disguised as the Rock...

[Leif Bearclaw]

Leif, the reason the Changeling gained access to the Fang and caused such mayhem is because he was by the Stormcaller, who was fooled into believing tat the Changeling was a Fenrisian Chieftain.invited in and therefore the wards were not used against him.

 

A bit like letting a vampire in your house from the movie Lost Boys, or Bran being marked by a White Walker.

 

When Magnus and Co came calling, they were unwelcome gusts and therefore the wards were set against them.

Leaving aside that (as far as I'm aware, at least) stuff like the wards in the Fang aren't switched on and off like that (40k anti-Daemon wards have always seemed to work 'always on'), that's exactly what I mean. Changey can fool the top psyker in a Marine Chapter and penetrate their Fortress Monastery without consequence while off on a jolly? That's exactly the kind of OP, one-sided shenanigans the fluff's better off without imo.

[MaveriK]

 

 

Also, if you get a chance, please let folks know that they've screwed up the Wolf Lord of the 13 Company name in the last two codices.

Um, I can try. I should point out before I get a raft of these questions though, that us BL writers are very separate from the rest of GW. We just do our thing, independent of the design team or the central planners (except when we're brought in on projects like this one).

I agree with Valerian. It's always been a pet peeve of mine with that screw up! They haven't addressed it in the past nor corrected it when they've had so many opportunities to do so, especially with how easy it can be corrected in a digital format. It's a shame really.

 

Anyway, kinda off topic and completely off the record but... I've always had this theory that the changeling and the c'tan deciever are one and the same. If let's say that they're not, who do you think is the better out of the two?

 

Also how funny would it be if in one of your books (since this series is already done) Ragnar is describe with blonde hair like in the original white dwarf heavy metal pictures. Then suddenly painted black in future white dwarfs and art covers. Little things like that should be addressed because the little things matter also LMAO. I remember seeing an old Bjorn photo in the collected visions book. In that art book he had reddish hair, but in prospero book, he is described with black hair. Gaaah I don't mind but it's kinda annoying! Then again each artist and writer has their own personal touch and perspectives.

[RobMac]

Also, if you get a chance, please let folks know that they've screwed up the Wolf Lord of the 13 Company name in the last two codices.

Um, I can try. I should point out before I get a raft of these questions though, that us BL writers are very separate from the rest of GW. We just do our thing, independent of the design team or the central planners (except when we're brought in on projects like this one).

I agree with Valerian. It's always been a pet peeve of mine with that screw up! They haven't addressed it in the past nor corrected it when they've had so many opportunities to do so, especially with how easy it can be corrected in a digital format. It's a shame really.

Anyway, kinda off topic and completely off the record but... I've always had this theory that the changeling and the c'tan deciever are one and the same. If let's say that they're not, who do you think is the better out of the two?

Also how funny would it be if in one of your books (since this series is already done) Ragnar is describe with blonde hair like in the original white dwarf heavy metal pictures. Then suddenly painted black in future white dwarfs and art covers. Little things like that should be addressed because the little things matter also LMAO. I remember seeing an old Bjorn photo in the collected visions book. In that art book he had reddish hair, but in prospero book, he is described with black hair. Gaaah I don't mind but it's kinda annoying! Then again each artist and writer has their own personal touch and perspectives.

I can understand people's frustrations. But, sticking my neck out here, I think the other writers do a pretty good job at keeping things together collectively. Given that there have been dozens of Black Library authors down the years (and dozens more design studio writers) writings hundreds of books, making sure everything stays coherent is no easy task. In an ideal world I'd love to be able to sit down for a month or two and do really in-depth lore research for any given project, but deadlines and schedules (and not just BL ones) make that more or less impossible. Besides, one month I may be writing Space Wolves, the next it may be Eldar, and then orks, and so on. I've been actively involved in the hobby for seventeen years, but I know there will definitely be readers who possess more knowledge of their own particular factions than I do!

Except when it comes to the Space Sharks. Since getting the lowdown on their origins I Now Know All