Legacy of Russ 6: Wolf Trap (Discussion)

[SW1]

Does anyone know when this will get released in a paper format?

[TheWolfLord]

Does anyone know when this will get released in a paper format?

I believe the author said October but that may be brought forward as the series is due to end next month now

[NightHowler]

You'll have to forgive me Valerian. 6 years in the US Navy left me without much of the filter most people run what their thinking through before saying (or typing) it.

[RobMac]

I'm not sure I can discuss the physical release date yet, as it's not been finalised. 

[Valerian]

You'll have to forgive me Valerian. 6 years in the US Navy left me without much of the filter most people run what their thinking through before saying (or typing) it.

25 years in uniform myself, but we gotta keep it family-friendly. Thanks, NightHowler.

[NightHowler]

I'll do my best. Promise.

[TheWolfLord]

I'm not sure I can discuss the physical release date yet, as it's not been finalised.

 

Understandable, I stated October as I recalled you saying the series would run until October and a subsequent novel would be released as a compilation. I may have misunderstood as I believed that the novel would be released quickly after the final episode.

 

After listening to your Combat Phase interview I believe the series should conclude in August now and I simply put 2 and 2 together regarding an October release for the novel.

 

Sorry if any information given was incorrect.

[RobMac]

 

I'm not sure I can discuss the physical release date yet, as it's not been finalised.

Understandable, I stated October as I recalled you saying the series would run until October and a subsequent novel would be released as a compilation. I may have misunderstood as I believed that the novel would be released quickly after the final episode.

 

After listening to your Combat Phase interview I believe the series should conclude in August now and I simply put 2 and 2 together regarding an October release for the novel.

 

Sorry if any information given was incorrect.

 

Not at all, things can change a lot in terms of release schedules, and most of them are too classified to discuss. 

[b1soul]

 

 

 

Rampant mutation/wulfen/chaos taint/geneseed failures/inadequate recruit genetics. The list of possible reasons goes on for ages either take your pick or add your own hypothesis.

Yes...but the Wolf Brothers are eseentially the same as the SW, except for organizational separation.

 

It has to be tied to distance from Fenris

It doesn't have to be the distance from Fenris. That is merely one of many possibilities. Since we know next to nothing about the Wolf Brothers we can't even make much of a guess as to what happened. If the distance bit is what you like then that is fine, but it is only your opinion. The rest of us may or may not agree with you. It might be interesting to set up a poll and see if there are any prevailing opinions.

What do you think are other possibilities preventing the SW from creating successors?

[NightHowler]

I believe the leading theory is that only Fenrisian born recruits carry an as-yet-unidentified quality that makes them, and only them, capable of accepting the Canis Helix without mutating out of control into giant bestial "wolf-things". But without taking a bunch of Fenrisians and populating a new planet with *only* Fenrisians, there's no way to know for sure if its proximity to Fenris, or something in the genetic makeup of the natives that makes them capable of being recruits.

[SW1]

Or is it that there's overly nosey inquisition who think any mutation is heresy and having a few recruits go wulfen is enough to declare it a failure with what they class as uncontrollable mutation? What the Inquisition class as a failure and decline to rubber stamp may have just been the normal acceptance rates the wolves have but hidden by the initial trials some initiates never come back from.

 

The planet would need to have some serious carnivores present/hazardous conditions to keep the wulfen created in check and if the planet doesn't have a continent available to keep the wulfen from the human population there's going to be issues with them as well.

[maverik_girl]

I believe the leading theory is that only Fenrisian born recruits carry an as-yet-unidentified quality that makes them, and only them, capable of accepting the Canis Helix without mutating out of control into giant bestial "wolf-things". But without taking a bunch of Fenrisians and populating a new planet with *only* Fenrisians, there's no way to know for sure if its proximity to Fenris, or something in the genetic makeup of the natives that makes them capable of being recruits.

were the Pre-Fenris legionnaires given the canis helix? Terran born ones I mean.

[Valerian]

 

I believe the leading theory is that only Fenrisian born recruits carry an as-yet-unidentified quality that makes them, and only them, capable of accepting the Canis Helix without mutating out of control into giant bestial "wolf-things". But without taking a bunch of Fenrisians and populating a new planet with *only* Fenrisians, there's no way to know for sure if its proximity to Fenris, or something in the genetic makeup of the natives that makes them capable of being recruits.

were the Pre-Fenris legionnaires given the canis helix? Terran born ones I mean.

Yes, of course. The background material specifically states that without the Canis Helix the rest of the geneseed of Russ won't work.

 

When I get to my sources, I can quote what several of the SW codices have stated about why they didn't create additional Successors.

 

As far of the ill-fated Wolf Brothers, a popular fan-theory is that you have to use Fenrisians for the process to work right. However, this is only fan conjecture and has never been stated, or hinted at, by GW. In fact, we know with certainty that Terrans were used to create the Legion well before Fenris was even re-discovered. Additionally, Inquisitor Hakenforth supposes that with the right technology, the so-called "Lost Companies" would have long-term viability by recruiting human candidates from wherever they happen to have ended up in the galaxy.

 

The thing is, we know that there was a problem with the Wolf Brothers, but none of us have any clue as to why there was a problem. It might have been the use of non-Fenrisians, but could just have easily been some unknown problem with the new population, or a problem with the environment of the new home world, or the machinations of Tzeeentch, or Magnus, or none of these....

[Fang_Guard23]

 

 

I believe the leading theory is that only Fenrisian born recruits carry an as-yet-unidentified quality that makes them, and only them, capable of accepting the Canis Helix without mutating out of control into giant bestial "wolf-things". But without taking a bunch of Fenrisians and populating a new planet with *only* Fenrisians, there's no way to know for sure if its proximity to Fenris, or something in the genetic makeup of the natives that makes them capable of being recruits.

were the Pre-Fenris legionnaires given the canis helix? Terran born ones I mean.

Yes, of course. The background material specifically states that without the Canis Helix the rest of the geneseed of Russ won't work.

 

When I get to my sources, I can quote what several of the SW codices have stated about why they didn't create additional Successors.

 

As far of the ill-fated Wolf Brothers, a popular fan-theory is that you have to use Fenrisians for the process to work right. However, this is only fan conjecture and has never been stated, or hinted at, by GW. In fact, we know with certainty that Terrans were used to create the Legion well before Fenris was even re-discovered. Additionally, Inquisitor Hakenforth supposes that with the right technology, the so-called "Lost Companies" would have long-term viability by recruiting human candidates from wherever they happen to have ended up in the galaxy.

 

The thing is, we know that there was a problem with the Wolf Brothers, but none of us have any clue as to why there was a problem. It might have been the use of non-Fenrisians, but could just have easily been some unknown problem with the new population, or a problem with the environment of the new home world, or the machinations of Tzeeentch, or Magnus, or none of these....

 

 

an interesting thought,

 

I believe it was outside interference, the wolf brothers were a possible idea that could've flourished. if the wolf brothers project had succeeded than Russ would've pushed full production of chapters that fought under the teachings and traditions of leman Russ, meaning pretty much unfaltering loyalty and a desire to see the traitors banished from real space. this the forces of chaos could not allow, so the wolf brothers chapter was targeted, causing mutations from the gene seed, some warriors thought captured all of a sudden return with no memory of what happened, and then something causes a genetic trigger that activated the curse. this knocked out the hope of the chapter making successors. only until they tried again, but this time it would've resulted in the curse not being used against the wolves, Magnus had to intervene and destroy the Tempering project personally.

[Dantay VI]

I thought the initial reason that there were no successors was due to the low numbers of Wolves surviving at the end of the Heresy/Scouring?

[Valerian]

I thought the initial reason that there were no successors was due to the low numbers of Wolves surviving at the end of the Heresy/Scouring?

 

From the 2e Codex:

 

"The Space Wolves were never a very large Legion and so were divided only once, creating the ill-fated Wolfbrothers Chapter.  Perhaps the High Lords recognized the problems of genetic instability that would plague the genetic seed of Leman Russ, giving rise in later times to the terrible curse of the Wulfen, and therefore decided against dividing and further spreading the Space Wolves' genetic base."

 

From WD 245 (3rd Edition):

 

"With the enthronement of the Emperor came a different age, and they rule of the Imperium passed into the hands of the High Lords of Terra.  Both the High Lords and the Primarchs feared the resurgence of Chaos.  Many worlds were purged.  On many planets the tainted were sought out and destroyed.  Everywhere the rapidly expanding ranks of the Inquisition prospered.

 

Never again would the Imperium tolerate the possibility of Space Marine armies falling under the influence of the great enemy.  The original Space Marine Legions were broken up into smaller Chapters and a code was drawn up to redefine their role and jurisdiction within the Imperium.  The new Chapters that were created became known as the Second Founding.  The Space Wolves were never a very large Legion and so were divided only once, creating the ill-fated Wolfbrothers Chapter."

 

From 5e Codex:

 

"The new Chapters became known as the Second Founding.  These Second Founding Chapters all claim a genetic brotherhood with the original Space Marines and the Primarchs.   The Space Wolves were divided only once, creating the ill-fated Wolfbrothers Chapter.  Perhaps the High Lords recognized the problems of genetic instability that would plague the legacy of Leman Russ, giving rise in later times to the terrible Curse of the Wulfen.  Perhaps Leman Russ had no intention of breaking apart his mighty Legion so that they could be divided and conquered if necessary.  What is known, however, is that the Space Wolves had and still have little regard for the dictates and military tradition of the Codex Astartes, instead holding sacred the teachings of Russ that are handed down from Wolf Priest to Blood Claw whelp even to this day."

 

V

[lovesmuffins]

If Russ wills it not to be so then it won't

[Slave to Darkness]

 

 

Spiked at on end, then pure blunt killing power at the other end.

 

 

Just like a grimdark Mullet :lol:

[Slave to Darkness]

Plot twist, you people got it all wrong! the space wolves chapter will not be saved by Russ but by a legion of fleet based squats.... “Cousins, we fight by your side. For the all-father!”

I can not express how happy that would make me :wub: