Terminus Posted July 9, 2016 Share Posted July 9, 2016 Not sure if folks noticed the preview of the new Legion book from the Black Library page, but talons can now buy pods for crazy dreadnought from the sky spam. The only limitation is buying and carrying all those oversized dread pods! This was actually spoiled verbatim during one of the February events by an attendee who spoke with the designers, so I am expecting cheaper assault marines and a nerf to dreadclaw (apparently the place within 2" was meant as a hard requirement and limitation of the unusual iris deployment method). http://www.blacklibrary.com/Images/Product/AlternativeBL/xlarge/BLPROCESSED-HH_ArmyList_006.jpg Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323806-the-new-orbital-assault-dreadnought-talons/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ironwithout Posted July 9, 2016 Share Posted July 9, 2016 If I may. What nerf to the Dreadclaw? What's wrong with it now? You just disembark as normal from the hull of the vehicle don't you? I missed something I guess? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323806-the-new-orbital-assault-dreadnought-talons/#findComment-4438792 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terminus Posted July 9, 2016 Author Share Posted July 9, 2016 You won't be able to disembark and move 6", just disembark within 2" as stated in its rules. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323806-the-new-orbital-assault-dreadnought-talons/#findComment-4438971 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guiltysparc Posted July 9, 2016 Share Posted July 9, 2016 Leviathan talon dropping from the sky... Glorious! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323806-the-new-orbital-assault-dreadnought-talons/#findComment-4438983 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted July 9, 2016 Share Posted July 9, 2016 The wording for it is probably the best we could have expected: You HAVE to try and place them as close together as possible but if they scatter away from eachother, whatever. It does OA lists A LOT since their main drawback is usually the lack of Anti-Tank and non-infantry units. Being able to take a TON of dreadnoughts should help deal with that problem. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323806-the-new-orbital-assault-dreadnought-talons/#findComment-4439001 Share on other sites More sharing options...
zedmeister Posted July 9, 2016 Share Posted July 9, 2016 Makes boxnoughts a tempting choice. Dropping a talon of three armed with flamestorms or 3 with 2 close combat weapons and gravitons seems like quite an annoying distraction. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323806-the-new-orbital-assault-dreadnought-talons/#findComment-4439010 Share on other sites More sharing options...
zedmeister Posted July 9, 2016 Share Posted July 9, 2016 Leviathan talon dropping from the sky... Glorious! It only references Dreadnoughts and contemptors, not leviathans unfortunately. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323806-the-new-orbital-assault-dreadnought-talons/#findComment-4439018 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trevak Dal Posted July 10, 2016 Share Posted July 10, 2016 If the box dreds are cheaper (csm helbrutes are like 100 pts, csm contemptor dreds are nearing knight ranges) you could overwhelm something in av12. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323806-the-new-orbital-assault-dreadnought-talons/#findComment-4439325 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Blackwood Posted July 10, 2016 Share Posted July 10, 2016 (csm contemptor dreds are nearing knight ranges) wat ? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323806-the-new-orbital-assault-dreadnought-talons/#findComment-4439345 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted July 10, 2016 Share Posted July 10, 2016 (csm contemptor dreds are nearing knight ranges) wat ? Thats not a topic for this section of the board. Suffice to say, they can cost 300+ points. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323806-the-new-orbital-assault-dreadnought-talons/#findComment-4439349 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Blackwood Posted July 10, 2016 Share Posted July 10, 2016 well thats interesting , and also a really good point about it having absolutely no bearing on this board. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323806-the-new-orbital-assault-dreadnought-talons/#findComment-4439354 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caillum Posted July 10, 2016 Share Posted July 10, 2016 Box dreads work in certain formats, and Orbital Assault is one of them. They retain WS5, so they're combat potential is still decent. Give them a chainfist & dual graviton guns (which are fine with BS4) and they'll do a number on vehicles. The unique options like armoured ceramite, hunter-killer missiles, Siege Wreckers, frag assault launchers and flamestorm cannons are also worth considering. But when you compare the Castraferrum to the Contemptor-Cortus, they start to look a bit average. The BaC Contemptor is nice and basic, so would work well as a Cortus model. Despite the ludicrous new price, you'll still be able to pick up cheap sprues from eBay. Speaking of which... How good would the Dreadnought Drop Pod be in plastic? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323806-the-new-orbital-assault-dreadnought-talons/#findComment-4439358 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted July 10, 2016 Share Posted July 10, 2016 Better than spending 120$ on a single pod. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323806-the-new-orbital-assault-dreadnought-talons/#findComment-4439360 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Blackwood Posted July 10, 2016 Share Posted July 10, 2016 slips you know you love those resin dread pods bruh Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323806-the-new-orbital-assault-dreadnought-talons/#findComment-4439378 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hfran Morkai Posted July 10, 2016 Share Posted July 10, 2016 This makes me happy as a Contemptor lover who wants to build a pod army. Do the FW dread pods scale well with the Contemptor or are they a tad small? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323806-the-new-orbital-assault-dreadnought-talons/#findComment-4439425 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Runefyre Posted July 10, 2016 Share Posted July 10, 2016 This makes me happy as a Contemptor lover who wants to build a pod army. Do the FW dread pods scale well with the Contemptor or are they a tad small? The only dreads that fit in DDPs are castrefarrum dreadnoughts. contemptors are too tall to completely fit inside. However, I usually let my opponents use gutted regular drop pods as 'counts as' DDPs. It's not like you were going to store your dreadnought in the pod. Plus it's actually a disadvantage to use a smaller pod, harder to gain the shrouded benefit. I'm very happy with this rules revision. I seem to remember in Prospero Burns the SW's employed precision talon strikes comprised of 3 contemptor primes. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323806-the-new-orbital-assault-dreadnought-talons/#findComment-4439475 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hfran Morkai Posted July 10, 2016 Share Posted July 10, 2016 Hmm might still get some as I do like the model. I'm glad as it makes sense, tanks are out of the question in this build and infantry heavy weapons squads are going to be at a disadvantage when they come on. I've actually rejigged the two shopping lists I have set up for FW because of this. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323806-the-new-orbital-assault-dreadnought-talons/#findComment-4439482 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sanct Posted July 10, 2016 Share Posted July 10, 2016 Wait. I can't take my olden, regular, dual grav dreads in regular drop pods anymore?? GDI that's yet another nail in their box coffin after the cortus came out so cheap. I might as well start switching to grav speeders en mass now Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323806-the-new-orbital-assault-dreadnought-talons/#findComment-4439542 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted July 10, 2016 Share Posted July 10, 2016 Could never use a normal pod for a dread in the Heresy I think? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323806-the-new-orbital-assault-dreadnought-talons/#findComment-4439554 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terminus Posted July 10, 2016 Author Share Posted July 10, 2016 Cortus is an extremely fragile chassis and I am unconvinced they are better than regular dreads. More offensive potential certainly, but WS4 and made of tissues from any angle but the front. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323806-the-new-orbital-assault-dreadnought-talons/#findComment-4439556 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted July 10, 2016 Share Posted July 10, 2016 Seeing as Cortus aren't stated in the RoW they probably would be limited to one in a pod per elite slot and thus very vulnerable. So, a random question and possible can of worms... You deploy via dread pod for a Talon of contemptors - how does it work in terms of drop pod assault and the number of pods rule? Would they count as "one" as they have to arrive together, or could they only be deployed later on as a single reserve roll? But what if you had 5 pods and they were 3 of them? Do you have to bring down all of those? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323806-the-new-orbital-assault-dreadnought-talons/#findComment-4439570 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sanct Posted July 10, 2016 Share Posted July 10, 2016 Could never use a normal pod for a dread in the Heresy I think? "legion dreads may take legion drop pods as dt (on a 1:1 ratio)..." -orbital assault atm Cortus is an extremely fragile chassis and I am unconvinced they are better than regular dreads. More offensive potential certainly, but WS4 and made of tissues from any angle but the front. Yea but krak grenade/front s6 immunity, shooting inv on the front, and rage/+1i, fleet and move through cover (think of getting through the grav blasts you leave behind) are very useful for my aggressive dual-grav usage Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323806-the-new-orbital-assault-dreadnought-talons/#findComment-4439594 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terminus Posted July 11, 2016 Author Share Posted July 11, 2016 Seeing as Cortus aren't stated in the RoW they probably would be limited to one in a pod per elite slot and thus very vulnerable. So, a random question and possible can of worms... You deploy via dread pod for a Talon of contemptors - how does it work in terms of drop pod assault and the number of pods rule? Would they count as "one" as they have to arrive together, or could they only be deployed later on as a single reserve roll? But what if you had 5 pods and they were 3 of them? Do you have to bring down all of those? Good question, and do you roll for reserves for the whole Talon or one at a time? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323806-the-new-orbital-assault-dreadnought-talons/#findComment-4439817 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 Seeing as Dread Talons count as a single unit during deployment and you'd essentially be deploying them from deep strike reserves/drop pod assault or what have you, then, imo, 1 roll for the whole Talon. Especially since only OA can do this. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323806-the-new-orbital-assault-dreadnought-talons/#findComment-4439819 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terminus Posted July 11, 2016 Author Share Posted July 11, 2016 Ok, then how does that work with Drop Pod Assault? If you have 5 pods as in the example Charlo mentioned, Unit A, Unit B, and the three dreadnoughts. Could you select Unit A, Unit B, and a dreadnought as your three first turn pods, and since the Talon is a unit, you drop all 5 top of 1? Brutal! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323806-the-new-orbital-assault-dreadnought-talons/#findComment-4439834 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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