Theredknight Posted July 16, 2016 Share Posted July 16, 2016 Well, free volkite chargers and ability to arm them with extra ccw makes these guys pretty nifty now doesn't it? Especially as a close support unit for assault units. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323842-best-support-squad-load-out/page/2/#findComment-4443531 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted July 16, 2016 Share Posted July 16, 2016 Well, free volkite chargers and ability to arm them with extra ccw makes these guys pretty nifty now doesn't it? Especially as a close support unit for assault units. Yep, love this option. Especially with a melee Legion like BA or something. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323842-best-support-squad-load-out/page/2/#findComment-4443552 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sanct Posted July 16, 2016 Share Posted July 16, 2016 Â Well, free volkite chargers and ability to arm them with extra ccw makes these guys pretty nifty now doesn't it? Especially as a close support unit for assault units. Yep, love this option. Especially with a melee Legion like BA or something. Â Â What about WE's? Volkite before the charge. Â S5, rage in the charge. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323842-best-support-squad-load-out/page/2/#findComment-4443615 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted July 16, 2016 Share Posted July 16, 2016 Yeah works great! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323842-best-support-squad-load-out/page/2/#findComment-4443638 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgoff Posted July 16, 2016 Share Posted July 16, 2016 Awesome! Gonna need some Chargers for my Eaters then. CHOOOM HERE COMES THE CHOOOOOM Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323842-best-support-squad-load-out/page/2/#findComment-4443745 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimm Posted July 16, 2016 Share Posted July 16, 2016 So glad I ordered 20 chargers a few weeks back for my wb pod army. Wanted them for a little fun but they actully seem a really good option now. That with vets has made list making much harder Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323842-best-support-squad-load-out/page/2/#findComment-4443879 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terminus Posted July 17, 2016 Share Posted July 17, 2016 The volkite caliver discount is nice, saved me 45 points. Not sure if I will invest in CCWs though. Definitely another Apothecary. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323842-best-support-squad-load-out/page/2/#findComment-4444402 Share on other sites More sharing options...
01RTB01 Posted July 18, 2016 Share Posted July 18, 2016 The volkite caliver discount is nice, saved me 45 points. Not sure if I will invest in CCWs though. Definitely another Apothecary. There is no discount for calivers, only chargers. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323842-best-support-squad-load-out/page/2/#findComment-4445158 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terminus Posted July 18, 2016 Share Posted July 18, 2016 D: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323842-best-support-squad-load-out/page/2/#findComment-4445591 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf Lord Loki Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 I field a 10 man flamer squad and it has dropped 50-60 wounds on a unit before. Â Thats more than enough to hurt general 3+ units. However- 2+ or rerollable saves will pretty much ruins any damage out put of this unit (example are when ive had no other available targets and targetted either Locutious assault marines or IF breachers) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323842-best-support-squad-load-out/page/2/#findComment-4446761 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 Even a 2+ is statistically 10 wounds ish with 60 rolls, not bad! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323842-best-support-squad-load-out/page/2/#findComment-4446833 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ak1508 Posted July 21, 2016 Share Posted July 21, 2016 10 man missile launchers with a Master of Signal in them? Same but with volkite culverin? Any thoughts on those? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323842-best-support-squad-load-out/page/2/#findComment-4448142 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted July 21, 2016 Share Posted July 21, 2016 They are BS 5 heavy weapons. So pretty good. Â Culverins are much better than missiles for it tho. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323842-best-support-squad-load-out/page/2/#findComment-4448166 Share on other sites More sharing options...
01RTB01 Posted July 22, 2016 Share Posted July 22, 2016 With volume of fire I think the bs5 is wasted on culverins as they have huge volume of fire and massacre things with glee. The higher bs comes in well for low volume of fire weapons such as las/ plasma. That said, I personally prefer siege breaker so that the hits count (against vehicles anyways). Â That said, do people still use heavy support squads? There's so much choice/ competition for heavy slots, it's a nightmare! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323842-best-support-squad-load-out/page/2/#findComment-4448411 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reyner Posted July 22, 2016 Share Posted July 22, 2016 10 man missile launchers with a Master of Signal in them? Same but with volkite culverin? Any thoughts on those? I see your 10 man heavy support squad and a master of signal and raise you 10 Iron Havocs with a master of signal. BS6 Missiles or Lascannons or Autocannons! Muhahahaa Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323842-best-support-squad-load-out/page/2/#findComment-4448466 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ak1508 Posted July 22, 2016 Share Posted July 22, 2016  10 man missile launchers with a Master of Signal in them? Same but with volkite culverin? Any thoughts on those? I see your 10 man heavy support squad and a master of signal and raise you 10 Iron Havocs with a master of signal. BS6 Missiles or Lascannons or Autocannons! Muhahahaa   Go right ahead! I can easily say that the IW Havocs are among the few fluff/unique units that are actually better than their standard counterparts. I'm an AL guy, so for me HS missile squad with a MoS should do. Although rewards of treason can get me those exact same Havocs if I wanted to running the CoH :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323842-best-support-squad-load-out/page/2/#findComment-4448476 Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronDrake28 Posted July 22, 2016 Share Posted July 22, 2016 Â Â Â Â 10 man missile launchers with a Master of Signal in them? Same but with volkite culverin? Any thoughts on those? I see your 10 man heavy support squad and a master of signal and raise you 10 Iron Havocs with a master of signal. BS6 Missiles or Lascannons or Autocannons! Muhahahaa Go right ahead! I can easily say that the IW Havocs are among the few fluff/unique units that are actually better than their standard counterparts. I'm an AL guy, so for me HS missile squad with a MoS should do. Although rewards of treason can get me those exact same Havocs if I wanted to running the CoH :D Slip Alpharius in there and those Havocs are hitting on 2's re-rolling :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323842-best-support-squad-load-out/page/2/#findComment-4448482 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted July 22, 2016 Share Posted July 22, 2016 With volume of fire I think the bs5 is wasted on culverins as they have huge volume of fire and massacre things with glee. The higher bs comes in well for low volume of fire weapons such as las/ plasma. That said, I personally prefer siege breaker so that the hits count (against vehicles anyways).  That said, do people still use heavy support squads? There's so much choice/ competition for heavy slots, it's a nightmare! While I see what you mean, surely the more shots you have the MORE you benefit from higher BS? It just means even more shots and damage overall.  We are both right, but don't disregard the BS5 Culverins. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323842-best-support-squad-load-out/page/2/#findComment-4448540 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terminus Posted July 22, 2016 Share Posted July 22, 2016 If you want HS culverins, I'd bring allied mechanicum or take the new bikes. In my experience, power armor units hanging out with scary guns outside of transports are Scorpius and phosphex bait. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323842-best-support-squad-load-out/page/2/#findComment-4448650 Share on other sites More sharing options...
01RTB01 Posted July 22, 2016 Share Posted July 22, 2016  With volume of fire I think the bs5 is wasted on culverins as they have huge volume of fire and massacre things with glee. The higher bs comes in well for low volume of fire weapons such as las/ plasma. That said, I personally prefer siege breaker so that the hits count (against vehicles anyways).  That said, do people still use heavy support squads? There's so much choice/ competition for heavy slots, it's a nightmare! While I see what you mean, surely the more shots you have the MORE you benefit from higher BS? It just means even more shots and damage overall.  We are both right, but don't disregard the BS5 Culverins. I wouldn't completely disregard it, I'm just stingey with points and I think characters are a waste. Boys before toys :p  That said, that's from a competitive point of view which isn't why I play heresy :)  I like us both being right though :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323842-best-support-squad-load-out/page/2/#findComment-4448860 Share on other sites More sharing options...
LtDan Posted July 24, 2016 Share Posted July 24, 2016 Culverins with a siege breaker I've run to awesome effect. Took 3 hull points off a knight. Mullered rhinos and tac squads. Earned there points Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323842-best-support-squad-load-out/page/2/#findComment-4450048 Share on other sites More sharing options...
01RTB01 Posted July 24, 2016 Share Posted July 24, 2016 Culverins with a siege breaker I've run to awesome effect. Took 3 hull points off a knight. Mullered rhinos and tac squads. Earned there points Isn't that nearly 450 points though? For anti tank there are much more efficient ways - quad mortars for example or lightnings? I'd happily take HS squads with culverins but I'm not convinced that additional characters are worth the points sink? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323842-best-support-squad-load-out/page/2/#findComment-4450078 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terminus Posted July 24, 2016 Share Posted July 24, 2016 Culverins should not be able to hurt a knight at all, Siege Breaker or not. That's just a terrible match up in general, and a good way for your 450 or whatever point unit to eat battle cannons. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323842-best-support-squad-load-out/page/2/#findComment-4450119 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 Depends. Knights have rear Av12 so S6 can glance it. If a Knight Turned its back to ~40 S6 shots, its the controlling players fault Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323842-best-support-squad-load-out/page/2/#findComment-4450170 Share on other sites More sharing options...
LtDan Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 Thanks guys. The siege breaker tax is for my phosphex quad mortars. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323842-best-support-squad-load-out/page/2/#findComment-4450238 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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