Rules Changes in LACAL

[IronDrake28]

Poor space wolves players. Gonna get even more expensive destroyers

I hope they don't then change normal destroyers later on and make the SW ones redundant like Headhunters for AL are now.

[Ishagu]

I imagine the SW destroyers will be a more damaging and reliable variant.

[Marshal Rohr]

Balth just said in the NR thread they are updating the legion specifics.

[Brofist]

Don't hold your breath. They just -rerelease this legion book. I wager it's gonna be a few years at least.

[Slips]

Don't hold your breath. They just -rerelease this legion book. I wager it's gonna be a few years at least.

To me its more of: "We have our own playtesters who play in a pretty specific way so we can't realistically account for problems that arise from literally thousands of players playing the game and dissecting every single piece of it and/or how people tend to min-max their lists."

 

Or something.

[noigrim]

cheap proteus for Ferrus!

after the points spike are laser vindis the new sicarans ?

[heptus]

Before I buy the e- version of the book has anyone noticed any issues with it (typos/ mistakes/etc)?

 

Also is there any changes to the heavy support squad?

 

Actually there are some issues.

 

Like the 40k grav rule hyperlinked to 'combi-weapons', as I noted in my previous comments. Also many pages are not shown in the index, meaning you cannot enter those pages by hyperlinking the index, but by swiping the screen. It's pretty inconvenient for me.

 

I hope FW would fix these bugs soon.

 

EDIT: FYI, my e-book is 'Legiones Astartes: Age of Darkness Army List iPad' ($50 ver)

[SkimaskMohawk]

The epub version doesn't have Inertial Guidance for the Dreadclaw under its special rules. It also has the LoW fist instead of the FA lightning bolt for the javelin but I figure its so strong right now that its appropriate :P

[1000 Sons]

Is the war hound titan still only mechanicum, or can legions take it as a LoW?

[Slips]

I think this might be of interest of a few peeps:

 

http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290168-raven-guard-tactics/?p=4444576

I was at the FW open day today and had a chat with Alan Bligh. While I was at it I asked about the recon rite of war and giving Legion equipment to unique characters, both of these things crop up on the forums and are often contested amongst Ravens players so I wanted to hear his thoughts on the matter.

1) Recon company does require three recon squads as compulsory troops. He said that just taking one doesn't pass the common sense test, it's not much of a recon company if you only take five recon marines. He said that they'd explicitly mention if they were optional, or just remove the Legion support rule from recon marines if they intended them to be optional compulsory troops.

2) This issue related to what we were talking about regarding the new list updates released this week. They are realigning the balance of infantry and vehicles to what was intended when they set out writing the rules in 5th edition. Vehicles were too strong because new editions of 40k changed the balance. The unique rule changed in 7th 40k and they didn't really notice it. He said their intent is that unique characters can't take additional equipment or be altered as it was in 6th ed. So no Alvarex Maun with camo cloak guys.

Of course you can house rule or RAW it in an interpretation you prefer, but that's the RAI from the horse's mouth.

 

[Nusquam]

The unique rule hasn't changed since 5th. It's still only "can't take more than one", page 49 of the 5E BRB. I don't know what it was before 5th though.

[Dantay VI]

How bad are librarians?

Loyalost ones anyway?

[IronDrake28]

How bad are librarians?

Loyalost ones anyway?

Too expensive for what they can do in my experience, though getting the right powers for your Primarch's deathstar is always fun.

[Flint13]

 

How bad are librarians?

Loyalost ones anyway?

Too expensive for what they can do in my experience, though getting the right powers for your Primarch's deathstar is always fun.

 

 

Nah, it just takes a little focus since it's difficult to stockpile power dice like 40k. They're comparatively expensive since there's relatively little psyker defense in 30k outside of your native 'dispel' dice. 

 

I've got one Word Bearer player and one Iron Warrior in my gaming bunch that make really good use of them. 

[Nakuth]

With regards to the changes to Armoured Breakthrough ROW, does the Master of Armour/company command vehicle upgrade cost anything, or is it free as before?

[Charlo]

 

 

How bad are librarians?

Loyalost ones anyway?

Too expensive for what they can do in my experience, though getting the right powers for your Primarch's deathstar is always fun.

 

 

Nah, it just takes a little focus since it's difficult to stockpile power dice like 40k. They're comparatively expensive since there's relatively little psyker defense in 30k outside of your native 'dispel' dice. 

 

I've got one Word Bearer player and one Iron Warrior in my gaming bunch that make really good use of them. 

 

 

Pretty much!

 

Focusing on Good Primaris powers like Prescience or Psychic Shriek and then counting other rolls as a bonus.

 

Personally I think it's a shame FW hasn't made a nice table of powers for 30k Librarians yet, with the Primaris perhaps being legion dependent.

[Theredknight]

 

 

 

How bad are librarians?

Loyalost ones anyway?

 

Too expensive for what they can do in my experience, though getting the right powers for your Primarch's deathstar is always fun.

 

Nah, it just takes a little focus since it's difficult to stockpile power dice like 40k. They're comparatively expensive since there's relatively little psyker defense in 30k outside of your native 'dispel' dice. 

 

I've got one Word Bearer player and one Iron Warrior in my gaming bunch that make really good use of them.

 

Pretty much!

 

Focusing on Good Primaris powers like Prescience or Psychic Shriek and then counting other rolls as a bonus.

 

Personally I think it's a shame FW hasn't made a nice table of powers for 30k Librarians yet, with the Primaris perhaps being legion dependent.

Perhaps we shall see something like that in inferno..

[Charlo]

Maybe!

 

We have heard that the Wolves may have a special Consul for Rune Priests and we all know the TS will be total witchy-poo :)

[Mango Polo]

At the Weekender Alan said that they were looking at giving the Thousand Sons their own discipline(s).

[Flint13]

At the Weekender Alan said that they were looking at giving the Thousand Sons their own discipline(s).

I'll admit this always confused me, especially when bros mention "each of the thousand sons temples needs their own discipline!"

 

... when each temple is already centered around one of the BRB psychic lores...

 

Pavoni are obvious biomancers, Corvidae are all about that divination, Khalophis and his Pyrae temple... etc

 

To be fair though, these were a lot of the same folks who insist every Thousand Son is a pskyer, so the legion won't be fluff accurate if they don't have 80 pskyic dice.

[Charlo]

 

At the Weekender Alan said that they were looking at giving the Thousand Sons their own discipline(s).

I'll admit this always confused me, especially when bros mention "each of the thousand sons temples needs their own discipline!"

 

... when each temple is already centered around one of the BRB psychic lores...

 

Pavoni are obvious biomancers, Corvidae are all about that divination, Khalophis and his Pyrae temple... etc

 

To be fair though, these were a lot of the same folks who insist every Thousand Son is a pskyer, so the legion won't be fluff accurate if they don't have 80 pskyic dice.

 

 

There was that image released on the FW facebook back when we had the second set of upgrades come out showing the 8 or whatever temples.

 

There were 1 or 2 disciplines that didn't match up to the new ones (Astrology & Astronomy). I'm still taking this as the biggest teaser ever :P

 

[Mango Polo]

 

At the Weekender Alan said that they were looking at giving the Thousand Sons their own discipline(s).

I'll admit this always confused me, especially when bros mention "each of the thousand sons temples needs their own discipline!"

 

... when each temple is already centered around one of the BRB psychic lores...

 

Pavoni are obvious biomancers, Corvidae are all about that divination, Khalophis and his Pyrae temple... etc

 

To be fair though, these were a lot of the same folks who insist every Thousand Son is a pskyer, so the legion won't be fluff accurate if they don't have 80 pskyic dice.

 

What bros? it's Alan himself saying that, so I'd think he has a concept in mind for why they might have different powers.

[okonomiyakimarine]

ot: one could imagine psykers being a special unit types (good for FW to sell stuff, but a cheap game design decision imho) or psyker being limited to singular units. so one would be able to upgrade noch only characters to level x psykers, but also sergeants to a certain degree. this would then grant one or a set of specific powers of one discipline per squad or character respectively. obviously same should work for these savage rune dogs either way looking forward to the new book... so with regard to that funny Tizca University advertisment all diciplines could be present but in the end you only bring several to the battle in correspondence to the point total&/number of squads.

[Terminus]

FW legion pods say the doors must open and stay open. Don't have my old or new book to see if the same applies to dread pods, but I guess if you glue them shut you could still technically fire since it's an open topped transport? Really dumb, lol.

 

@Flint, I'm glad you got so much joy out of catching a mistake that was corrected 5 minutes later. As a bonus, you even got to latch onto it and ignore the core discussion. The main problem with the new pods is how they crap on Contemptors, who really didn't need it, and how you want cover ignoring weapons now to use them which really limits your options. Triple nerf seemed overboard.

[Flint13]

At the Weekender Alan said that they were looking at giving the Thousand Sons their own discipline(s).

I'll admit this always confused me, especially when bros mention "each of the thousand sons temples needs their own discipline!"

... when each temple is already centered around one of the BRB psychic lores...

Pavoni are obvious biomancers, Corvidae are all about that divination, Khalophis and his Pyrae temple... etc

To be fair though, these were a lot of the same folks who insist every Thousand Son is a pskyer, so the legion won't be fluff accurate if they don't have 80 pskyic dice.

There was that image released on the FW facebook back when we had the second set of upgrades come out showing the 8 or whatever temples.

There were 1 or 2 disciplines that didn't match up to the new ones (Astrology & Astronomy). I'm still taking this as the biggest teaser ever

Well... I mean that is kinda supposed to be a jokey, teaser deal.

But still, Astrology/Astronomy easily = Sanctic/Malific daemonology. Which makes a lot of sense now that I think about it, b/c you definitely wouldn't want to run an advert for anything called "daemonology" as a recruitment deal for Tizca Uni.

The only one that isn't represented there is Biomancy from the Pavoni temple.