Rules Changes in LACAL

[Quixus]

What does charting the stars have to do with dealing with the denizens of the Great Ocean?

[Spinsanity]

What does charting the stars have to do with dealing with the denizens of the Great Ocean?

I guess you should ask Lorgar and XVIIth

[Balthamal]

As far as Legion specific stuff goes, there WILL be an update. It's just more likely to be an FAQ. That also ties in with their thresholds for feedback too - the moritat model and the prices hikes on dread pods and spartans are a direct result of people querying. And they do playtest extensively. It's just a case of when it came to writing this book again, so much needed looking at that it took too long. Any more time spent doing destroyers/Cerberus etc would have eaten into the Custodes testing. In short, do the work themselves but can't test every combo/scenario that some of the power list builders do - that's why they rely on feedback from the wider community, from people who do play a lot of games and see an issue arise.

 

Confirmed too - Death Shroud are Tartaros Pattern Terminators not Cataphractii.

 

Also, if a Venator pens a Glaive, the beam cannot be fired as per the Snap Shot rules in the BRB

[Lord Blackwood]

As far as Legion specific stuff goes, there WILL be an update. It's just more likely to be an FAQ. That also ties in with their thresholds for feedback too -

Quickly,  Slips , we need to spam  them with talk  about how Templar Brethren require ap2 swords 

[Ishagu]

I'd agree with them having rending power swords :-)

[Slips]

 

 

As far as Legion specific stuff goes, there WILL be an update. It's just more likely to be an FAQ. That also ties in with their thresholds for feedback too -

Quickly, Slips , we need to spam them with talk about how Templar Brethren require ap2 swords

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[Master of Asgard]

Whilst I'm waiing for my book to arrive, any idea how much the apothecary jump pack costs?

[helterskelter]

He's cheap enough to make him a very viable addition to assault squads and have the assault squad armed with combat shields

[Charlo]

So we talking 2 melta bombs or 4?

[Slips]

So we talking 2 melta bombs or 4?

4 and its a concurrent upgrade with Artificer Armour.

[Charlo]

Good enough for me!

[Terminus]

I believe they will reprint another Legions book once the straggler Legions get their full rules.

[Theredknight]

I believe they will reprint another Legions book once the straggler Legions get their full rules.

Hopefully including the actual ones that were released with it

[norngahl]

In the new armybook, is the dark compliance and blackhields in there as well?

[Slips]

Blackshields, no.

 

AoDC? Not sure. I think it is since its a RoW?

[Shaolin_Monkey]

What Slips said.

no Blackshields and also no AoDC as its one of the "themes" they had in Book six which were all opponents consent. Shattered Legions etc.

The Sacrificial Offering RoW is in the book however.

[Flint13]

FW legion pods say the doors must open and stay open. Don't have my old or new book to see if the same applies to dread pods, but I guess if you glue them shut you could still technically fire since it's an open topped transport? Really dumb, lol.

@Flint, I'm glad you got so much joy out of catching a mistake that was corrected 5 minutes later. As a bonus, you even got to latch onto it and ignore the core discussion. The main problem with the new pods is how they crap on Contemptors, who really didn't need it, and how you want cover ignoring weapons now to use them which really limits your options. Triple nerf seemed overboard.

You jumped on what you thought was a mistake that you didn't stop to ponder out bc you dislike me and thought you'd win internet points.

 

You got called on being rude, simple as. I don't care at this point. Your options are to drop whatever deal you have going or leave.

 

Your choice.

[Luna707]

God people sure are getting salty about these pods

 

On a side note do you all think it would be fair to adjust the points for legion specific breachers in accordance with the vanilla ones (-25 base, +5 additional) until the legion FAQ comes out?

[Slips]

On a side note do you all think it would be fair to adjust the points for legion specific breachers in accordance with the vanilla ones (-25 base, +5 additional) until the legion FAQ comes out?

As a general consensus type deal, no since we're just peeps on the interwebs.

 

For your local group, however, talk to them about it. Most would likely be ok with the change since breachers are so dang cool and having a reason to field even the Legion specific ones more is one I'd jump on.

[Brofist]

I finally got a copy and have been able to dig through deeply. A few things I noticed:

 

For burning retros and DDPs, we jumped the gun. The way its written, dreadnoughts can be targeted if they choose to deploy out of the pod. It actually encourages this, because it disallows dreadnoughts who left the pod from getting charged in the same sentence. In a way it's a clever choice- stay inside and get an extra 3 HP, but have all your attacks subject to shrouded, or deploy out of the pod towards your target loosing shrouded, but knowing you can't get charged that turn.

 

Next up, they forgot to include precision strikes for legion champions which they gave in their FAQ. Seekers and vigilators got them though.

 

Last interesting thing- the changes to the Falchion. The points increase sure is something, but the feedback special rule takes the cake. Why? D weapons don't roll for armour penetration, so the feedback rule is never triggered. Instead it just triggers me, BULBAFIST.

[Flint13]

^ Huh, I think you're right.

 

"The dreadnought does not have to deploy out unless the controlling player wishes, and if this is the case though it may still be targeted by shooting attacks, it may not be charged while this rule is in effect."

 

So yeah. That's legit man. "If this is the case" as in the case of the controlling player wishing to deploy it outside the pod.

 

Fair enough, I should have read that closer.

 

However for the Falchion, the shock pulse upgrade is intended for the AoD Destroyer weapon rules, not the stock 40k ones. So Str10AP1 with sunder, instant death and 1+d3 wounds.

[Brofist]

Humm. That would make sense, but I can't find a section that explains the AoD destroyer weapon rules. If they replaced D weapons rules with the AoD version that would actually make the changes to the falchion make a bit more sense (as it would also ignore cover).

[Nusquam]

I'm not seeing it that way. The 'in this case' to me references the previous statement; that the dread may stay in the pod. Otherwise why bother saying it may be a target of a shooting attack? Why wouldn't it be able to be target if it's outside? It doesn't make sense to say you could target something, when you could target it without it telling you. It only makes sense if it's talking about it being in the pod that you could still target it; that would be good enough reason to call it out as a target. It would also explain why you can't assault it.

[Lord Blackwood]

Dear Sweet Merciful God hes triggered  D:  Run  boys 

[Brofist]

If it worked that way, it would be an exception to how the rules normally work from the BRB, since units inside transports can't normally be targeted. That's why I'm much more inclined to believe it's the other way around. The reason they bring up shooting attacks is because they added a rule that prevents anyone charging the dreadnought if it leaves the pod. The wall of smoke is so thick that nobody can see anything to charge until the dreadnought burst out. Basically, like this:

 

"...the dreadnought does not have to deploy out unless the controlling player wishes" 

"and if this is the case (though it may still be targeted by shooting attacks), it may not be charged while this rule is in effect."

 

So it's saying you can still shoot at it like normal, but you can't charge it while the rule is in effect which is unusual. Honestly I really really hate when FW writes compound sentences like this. Just use periods and make the intention clear for people.