IronDrake28 Posted July 22, 2016 Share Posted July 22, 2016 10 man HB vets with sniper is my go to if I'm running pride and they got even better in the the new book And if you go Alpha Legion they don't even need a transport. Infiltrate, scout, open fire. Add banestrike rounds if you have the points. They do apply to the HBs or don't they? Sniper is better than banestrike rounds and it saves you points. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323937-rules-changes-in-lacal/page/19/#findComment-4448519 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Aiwass Posted July 22, 2016 Share Posted July 22, 2016 Regarding the new vets, I was thinking to rum them with a pair of heavy bolters, but I'd like to know your views on them brothers. Not sure if this will be worth of a separate thread so I ask here. If is not good or already is a veteran tactica thread please let me now. I think many people feel 2hb in a rhino(or pod) with marksman is the basic go to. Ive been looking at options and theres a few that look promising for the points. As a wb player I like my pods so my view maybe isn't the most general. 5 man, 1 Melta, 4 combi melta, aa on Sgt. In a pod is 200pts. Using machine killers it's a nasty punchy unit for turn 1. Run as marksman would maybe give them more use long term. 5-10 man, combi flamers or just 1/2 h.flamers, pod with marksman. Could work in a rhino but probably less effective I'm going with pod, maybe I'll try the HF setup (as much as I love melta, 200 points for a 5 man squads seems too much for me, but may try it at some point I hope) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323937-rules-changes-in-lacal/page/19/#findComment-4448537 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flint13 Posted July 22, 2016 Share Posted July 22, 2016 10 man HB vets with sniper is my go to if I'm running pride and they got even better in the the new bookAnd if you go Alpha Legion they don't even need a transport. Infiltrate, scout, open fire. Add banestrike rounds if you have the points. They do apply to the HBs or don't they? Sniper is better than banestrike rounds and it saves you points. Oh, that's a good point. There isn't a whole lot of point to banestrike rounds now, is there? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323937-rules-changes-in-lacal/page/19/#findComment-4448618 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Runefyre Posted July 22, 2016 Share Posted July 22, 2016 10 man HB vets with sniper is my go to if I'm running pride and they got even better in the the new bookAnd if you go Alpha Legion they don't even need a transport. Infiltrate, scout, open fire. Add banestrike rounds if you have the points. They do apply to the HBs or don't they? Sniper is better than banestrike rounds and it saves you points. Oh, that's a good point. There isn't a whole lot of point to banestrike rounds now, is there? Yeah it kinda sucks for AL players. Imo banestrike should automatically ignore power armour (and only power armour) like the fluff indicates. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323937-rules-changes-in-lacal/page/19/#findComment-4448637 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terminus Posted July 22, 2016 Share Posted July 22, 2016 Missile launchers are better for alphas, while plasma guns are better for everyone else. I don't like the HB except visually, you're paying all those points for effectively 1 extra shot per dude. Meh. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323937-rules-changes-in-lacal/page/19/#findComment-4448663 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quixus Posted July 22, 2016 Share Posted July 22, 2016 10 man HB vets with sniper is my go to if I'm running pride and they got even better in the the new bookAnd if you go Alpha Legion they don't even need a transport. Infiltrate, scout, open fire. Add banestrike rounds if you have the points. They do apply to the HBs or don't they? Sniper is better than banestrike rounds and it saves you points. D'oh! Of course, I somehow forgot how sniper works. Missile launchers are better for alphas, while plasma guns are better for everyone else. I don't like the HB except visually, you're paying all those points for effectively 1 extra shot per dude. Meh. What's special about AL and missile launchers? HBs wound T3/T4/T5 on 2+/3+/4+, regular bolters on 3+/4+/5+ or 3+/4+/4+ with Sniper. So it is a bit more than just an extra shot. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323937-rules-changes-in-lacal/page/19/#findComment-4448670 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reyner Posted July 22, 2016 Share Posted July 22, 2016 Can't they get Tank Hunters using Mutable Tactics and things like that? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323937-rules-changes-in-lacal/page/19/#findComment-4448675 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted July 22, 2016 Share Posted July 22, 2016 10 man HB vets with sniper is my go to if I'm running pride and they got even better in the the new bookAnd if you go Alpha Legion they don't even need a transport. Infiltrate, scout, open fire. Add banestrike rounds if you have the points. They do apply to the HBs or don't they? Sniper is better than banestrike rounds and it saves you points. D'oh! Of course, I somehow forgot how sniper works. Missile launchers are better for alphas, while plasma guns are better for everyone else. I don't like the HB except visually, you're paying all those points for effectively 1 extra shot per dude. Meh. What's special about AL and missile launchers? Special Rules Stacking. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323937-rules-changes-in-lacal/page/19/#findComment-4448677 Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronDrake28 Posted July 22, 2016 Share Posted July 22, 2016 When using Alphy plasmas become great :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323937-rules-changes-in-lacal/page/19/#findComment-4448717 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quixus Posted July 22, 2016 Share Posted July 22, 2016 Special Rules Stacking. Which rules are stacking? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323937-rules-changes-in-lacal/page/19/#findComment-4448734 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terminus Posted July 22, 2016 Share Posted July 22, 2016 I'm nonplussed about slightly better wound rates when I'm after rending hits, so the volume from frag missiles is what I want. Plasma guns wound on 2+ and ignore armor, so there you're looking for precision shots. Against vehicles, you can go tank Hunter and machine killer for missile launchers that glance flare shielded Spartans ~33% of the time. Dynat can push them to AP2 vs vehicles (but requires to be in their deployment), while Skorr can stack Infiltrate or Move Through Cover and stealth on top. By the way, the chainaxe thing that was attributed to Garro is false according to Garro. So enjoy the axes. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323937-rules-changes-in-lacal/page/19/#findComment-4448759 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted July 22, 2016 Share Posted July 22, 2016 Special Rules Stacking. Which rules are stacking? Depends. Alpha Legion Mutable Tactics gives you the option of: Scout, Infiltrate, Counter-Attack, Tank Hunters, Move Through Cover and Adamantium Will. Vet Tactics gives you: +1WS, Sniper and Outflank, +1 to Vehicle Pen, Stubborn and Re-Roll To wound vs (G)MCs. So mix and match to your hearts content. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323937-rules-changes-in-lacal/page/19/#findComment-4448761 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terminus Posted July 31, 2016 Share Posted July 31, 2016 It rises from the depths! Could people that have the physical or non-iTunes version of their book check their weapon summary for the stats on the Hellstrike missile? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323937-rules-changes-in-lacal/page/19/#findComment-4454457 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apostle of the 30th Host Posted July 31, 2016 Share Posted July 31, 2016 It rises from the depths! Could people that have the physical or non-iTunes version of their book check their weapon summary for the stats on the Hellstrike missile? 72" S8 AP2 Heavy1 Sunder One Use Only Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323937-rules-changes-in-lacal/page/19/#findComment-4454464 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terminus Posted July 31, 2016 Share Posted July 31, 2016 Okay, see? The enhanced edition still has the old terrible profile of S8 AP3 ordnance. What version of the book do you have? Because this is a huge change for flyers who can take these missiles. They now can be fired in multiples, along with your other armament, and do more damage on penetrating hits. Definitely a worthwhile upgrade for the Fire Raptor now, for example. Machine spirit for the avenger cannon, independent trackers for the guns, and then a payload of tank-killing missiles. Stormeagle still probably better off with lascannons, but the missiles are half the cost. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323937-rules-changes-in-lacal/page/19/#findComment-4454468 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apostle of the 30th Host Posted July 31, 2016 Share Posted July 31, 2016 Yeah, I always thought that the 40k version of Hellstrike Missiles were AP3 also. But this is the brand new 'Legiones Astartes: AoD Army List'. I have the hardback, physical copy. Just checked again to make sure: 100% AP2! You're quite right about the Fire Raptor. Very nice upgrade. Interesting yours is AP3. I hear there were a few mistakes on the digital copies though, but the hardback seems to be relatively error free (I know! I'm shocked too). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323937-rules-changes-in-lacal/page/19/#findComment-4454477 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terminus Posted July 31, 2016 Share Posted July 31, 2016 The digital epub has the same new profile, so that's 2 out of 3 and good enough for me. Sucks that I got the one goofy version, haha. The ordnance to sunder change is bigger than the AP, since now you can fire multiple missile and aren't restricted from firing other guns. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323937-rules-changes-in-lacal/page/19/#findComment-4454486 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apostle of the 30th Host Posted July 31, 2016 Share Posted July 31, 2016 Haha! Does your version not update itself? I'm sure the digital editions do; might just get that change a little later. It would seem like the new profile was intended though so definitely go with that. I did think Ordnance seemed like an unusual rule for a missile as it really limits what your Flyer can do after using it. Good spot there by the way! I hadn't really thought to look into those before your question, but in giving an answer I just realised how good they are haha! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323937-rules-changes-in-lacal/page/19/#findComment-4454489 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terminus Posted July 31, 2016 Share Posted July 31, 2016 All credit goes to Forgotten Legion of South Texas Horus Heresy! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323937-rules-changes-in-lacal/page/19/#findComment-4454492 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brofist Posted July 31, 2016 Author Share Posted July 31, 2016 I've got the collectors edition and ebook. Both are showing 72" S8 AP2 Heavy 1 with Sunder Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323937-rules-changes-in-lacal/page/19/#findComment-4454507 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Blackwood Posted July 31, 2016 Share Posted July 31, 2016 my itunes version reads 72" S8 AP2 Heavy 1 with Sunder Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323937-rules-changes-in-lacal/page/19/#findComment-4454644 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terminus Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 Lol, so I got the one version of the enhanced edition that has the wrong stats? Well I bought a raptor anyway. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323937-rules-changes-in-lacal/page/19/#findComment-4454706 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Blackwood Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 I actually won an auction for a Falchion today , pretty excited to try it out Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323937-rules-changes-in-lacal/page/19/#findComment-4454729 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 I actually won an auction for a Falchion today , pretty excited to try it out Awesome! Share some pics! Was it painted?? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323937-rules-changes-in-lacal/page/19/#findComment-4454866 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 That missile change is wonderful. Slamming 4 of those into something is going to HURT! 20 points to swap out the useless S6 AP4 Sunder Tempest Rockets (fish for those Dread glances in a 6! Woo....) is an absolute no-brainer considering you can fire all four as "one" weapon when the bird arrives. Also, fun fact: the version of the book I had lists Tempest Rockets as "Gets Hot!" in the summary page now that would be useless! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323937-rules-changes-in-lacal/page/19/#findComment-4454922 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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