Brofist Posted August 3, 2016 Author Share Posted August 3, 2016 I wanna know where people were playing that 20 breachers was deemed powerful enough to get a price bump. It's one of the head scratchers for sure. Our first clue should have been open day. Somebody asked if they were going to tweak assault marines and breachers and the response was "Wait, your're saying breachers need tweaks?" Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323937-rules-changes-in-lacal/page/21/#findComment-4456414 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Blackwood Posted August 3, 2016 Share Posted August 3, 2016 hurray for 10 man breacher squads Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323937-rules-changes-in-lacal/page/21/#findComment-4456494 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted August 3, 2016 Share Posted August 3, 2016 It's now better to run them in squads of 10. Just a change in their design... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323937-rules-changes-in-lacal/page/21/#findComment-4456512 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sentinel Guy Posted August 3, 2016 Share Posted August 3, 2016 Ultramarines breachers with power swords in a land raider got cheaper = win Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323937-rules-changes-in-lacal/page/21/#findComment-4456553 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dantay VI Posted August 3, 2016 Share Posted August 3, 2016 Does this mean I can run vindicator laser destroyers as a squadron? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323937-rules-changes-in-lacal/page/21/#findComment-4456574 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Blackwood Posted August 3, 2016 Share Posted August 3, 2016 Does this mean I can run vindicator laser destroyers as a squadron? yeah thats very much a thing , be a sick choice too , lots of anti vehicle tech in a nice little dangerous package. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323937-rules-changes-in-lacal/page/21/#findComment-4456576 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dantay VI Posted August 3, 2016 Share Posted August 3, 2016 Sweet Mother of Pearl.... I am a happy bunny!! Time to buy 2 more of the wee beasties. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323937-rules-changes-in-lacal/page/21/#findComment-4456588 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Runefyre Posted August 3, 2016 Share Posted August 3, 2016 Does this mean I can run vindicator laser destroyers as a squadron? yeah thats very much a thing , be a sick choice too , lots of anti vehicle tech in a nice little dangerous package. Not to mention excellent at putting down mechanicum bots. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323937-rules-changes-in-lacal/page/21/#findComment-4456621 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terminus Posted August 3, 2016 Share Posted August 3, 2016 The way breachers are priced is that they favor small squads (for ZM) with 15 being the same cost pre-update but 20 going up 25. So, here's a unit thats actually better run as multiple 10 Man Units vs Maxing them out. I will actually disagree somewhat there. If someone was previously getting mileage out of 20-man breacher blobs (I am not sure how, but hey, they are the tactical genius here), they are still 50 points cheaper for a big blob of 20 vs two squads of 10. I've gotten decent use out of them as a 15-man speed bump that infiltrates and scouts onto a central objective and just annoys the crap out of stuff with 3 graviton guns, so for me the cost didn't change at all. I will say they are more usable in Zone Mortalis where you may not have points to pump up squad sizes, along with the new Rite to give them 4+ invulnerables. I wanna know where people were playing that 20 breachers was deemed powerful enough to get a price bump. I think it was just a side-effect of them looking at the cost for "additional" dudes and going by their gear, they simply overvalue the benefit of hardened armor (which I think should be cancelled out by their mobility drawbacks) and a breaching shield as being worth 5 points per dude. They figure if an assault marine pays 2 points for a jump pack, and a veteran pays 3 points for a chainsword, extra attack, and a bunch of special rules, than certainly a breacher shield must be worth 5? Derpaderp? The same dumb logic was probably applied to the Seekers. OMG these new rounds are so awesome, we gotta include the cost in the models, nevermind the huge tax you pay up front! DERPADERPADERRR!! It's FW, it's the way we live. :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323937-rules-changes-in-lacal/page/21/#findComment-4456853 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Aiwass Posted August 3, 2016 Share Posted August 3, 2016 How did you get to infiltrate them? AL rules? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323937-rules-changes-in-lacal/page/21/#findComment-4456869 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLŒ FLY Posted August 3, 2016 Share Posted August 3, 2016 ^I've been getting an entertaining amount of mileage out of a command squad with Charnabal sabers to pal around with Khârn and an apothecary recently. Chain sabers rock ! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323937-rules-changes-in-lacal/page/21/#findComment-4456870 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flint13 Posted August 3, 2016 Share Posted August 3, 2016 ^I've been getting an entertaining amount of mileage out of a command squad with Charnabal sabers to pal around with Khârn and an apothecary recently. Chain sabers rock ! The only issue I'm having now is that chainaxes give that super sexy +1str. So it's a legit hard choice now to choose between rending or str5. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323937-rules-changes-in-lacal/page/21/#findComment-4456906 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terminus Posted August 3, 2016 Share Posted August 3, 2016 How did you get to infiltrate them? AL rules? Yes, although Raven Guard can do it too. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323937-rules-changes-in-lacal/page/21/#findComment-4456907 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theredknight Posted August 3, 2016 Share Posted August 3, 2016 Does this mean I can run vindicator laser destroyers as a squadron? yeah thats very much a thing , be a sick choice too , lots of anti vehicle tech in a nice little dangerous package. If you can get them in the 36" range Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323937-rules-changes-in-lacal/page/21/#findComment-4456983 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khornestar Posted August 3, 2016 Share Posted August 3, 2016 Does this mean I can run vindicator laser destroyers as a squadron?yeah thats very much a thing , be a sick choice too , lots of anti vehicle tech in a nice little dangerous package. If you can get them in the 36" range Laser destroyer array is 48" range. For some reason the new LACAL book doesn't seem to have an entry for them, unless I'm missing it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323937-rules-changes-in-lacal/page/21/#findComment-4456989 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theredknight Posted August 3, 2016 Share Posted August 3, 2016 Does this mean I can run vindicator laser destroyers as a squadron?yeah thats very much a thing , be a sick choice too , lots of anti vehicle tech in a nice little dangerous package. If you can get them in the 36" range Laser destroyer array is 48" range. For some reason the new LACAL book doesn't seem to have an entry for them, unless I'm missing it. Negatory raptor man please have a read. Of course it's up to you if you wish to play as 48" until it is FAQd however even then it's been muddy water for a few books now. Any rules discussion etc please post up there http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/324325-laser-destroyer-and-laser-destroyer-arrays/?do=findComment&comment=4455174 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323937-rules-changes-in-lacal/page/21/#findComment-4456991 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted August 3, 2016 Share Posted August 3, 2016 I do kinda feel that Vindi Laser Destroyers need a nerf to give other tanks a chance! Lol If it wasn't for Guilliman dishing out Tank Hunters like candy I could no longer justify the Sicarans :-P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323937-rules-changes-in-lacal/page/21/#findComment-4456996 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theredknight Posted August 3, 2016 Share Posted August 3, 2016 I do kinda feel that Vindi Laser Destroyers need a nerf to give other tanks a chance! Lol If it wasn't for Guilliman dishing out Tank Hunters like candy I could no longer justify the Sicarans :-P Yeah, at 48" I'd much rather have one than a venator! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323937-rules-changes-in-lacal/page/21/#findComment-4457001 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raktra Posted August 3, 2016 Share Posted August 3, 2016 I do kinda feel that Vindi Laser Destroyers need a nerf to give other tanks a chance! Lol If it wasn't for Guilliman dishing out Tank Hunters like candy I could no longer justify the Sicarans :-P Orth has a new ride on my end :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323937-rules-changes-in-lacal/page/21/#findComment-4457002 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terminus Posted August 3, 2016 Share Posted August 3, 2016 Given that it's constantly standing still for maximum effect, calling it "ride" is a bit of a misnomer! :D Sicaran Battle Tanks still have a place, but that place is as a Warlord with BS5 and giving Ld re-rolls to everyone within 24". Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323937-rules-changes-in-lacal/page/21/#findComment-4457015 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted August 3, 2016 Share Posted August 3, 2016 I regularly use laser Vindis, and they are definitely a bit too effective especially in a squadron. I destroyed a Knight Castigator turn 1 in a game, chipped away a Typhon (in cover) in another by turn 2. Reducing the range would limit their battlefield control or leave them more exposed. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323937-rules-changes-in-lacal/page/21/#findComment-4457034 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted August 3, 2016 Share Posted August 3, 2016 I don't think laser vindicators are that bad. I think, coming at it from the point of view of actual price in dollars, forge world is smart to give some things a punch that are easily converted. It's easier for people to get their hands on some lascannon bits than a full resin kit from FW. Like legion vets pulling their weight well. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323937-rules-changes-in-lacal/page/21/#findComment-4457036 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted August 3, 2016 Share Posted August 3, 2016 They are brutal against Marine armies in a meta dominated by infantry and vehicles, and MCs that aren't as survivable as those in 40k. Price wise they are brilliant, only costing marginally more than a regular 40k Vindicator and they are a lovely kit also. If you want to math hammer it out, a single laser Vindi will score 2 penetrating hits against av13 with a 50% chance to cause an explosion there after. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323937-rules-changes-in-lacal/page/21/#findComment-4457049 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Blackwood Posted August 3, 2016 Share Posted August 3, 2016 I agree with Ishagu those things are terrifying , the sort of tanks you need to deal with immediately if you are stacking any sort of armor. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323937-rules-changes-in-lacal/page/21/#findComment-4457069 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theredknight Posted August 3, 2016 Share Posted August 3, 2016 Having had own blast away at all sorts, they're very effective tanks. Basically the las vindi and reg venator tank snipe each other and then the survivor lays waste to armour or quad launchers. Reducing the range means that the venator is a longer range sniper, while the las vindi is a shorter range assault rifle. But wil rounds that are more deadly than a Snipers. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323937-rules-changes-in-lacal/page/21/#findComment-4457132 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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