Tonberry Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 Did terminators never have a transport option or is that new? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323937-rules-changes-in-lacal/page/3/#findComment-4442669 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brofist Posted July 15, 2016 Author Share Posted July 15, 2016 Falchion points increase and no changes to the cerberus are both bizarre and rather unwelcome. Can't always win though. Couldn't Rhino's always take pintle weapons? Also - Rhino's with an assault cannon for BA! Wheeeee. Not multi meltas or heavy flamers So, just to make sure I've got this right, Sicarans can take pintle weapons inc heavy flamers, so BA can swap that out for an assault cannon leaving a tank with the Accelerator Cannon, 3 Heavy Bolters and an Assault Cannon? Jesus Christ Go hog wild Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323937-rules-changes-in-lacal/page/3/#findComment-4442671 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caillum Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 Did terminators never have a transport option or is that new? I have no idea what you're talking about. They did before, they do now. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323937-rules-changes-in-lacal/page/3/#findComment-4442675 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brofist Posted July 15, 2016 Author Share Posted July 15, 2016 Also, it looks like Laser Destroyers are indeed 36" and 48" on the vindicator? Both are 48". They finally standardized laser destroyers across all the books. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323937-rules-changes-in-lacal/page/3/#findComment-4442676 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctor Perils Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 Some pretty great stuff (I'm also disappointed by the Breachers and Destroyers: they are some of the coolest FW elements after all...) Â I'm confused though: didn't they keep saying that they were pleased with how much units cost, and would rather change special rules around then change the points? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323937-rules-changes-in-lacal/page/3/#findComment-4442679 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frater Cornelius Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 Maybe that was referring to erratas, FAQs and those big black books? I am not sure what sort of rule would make ASM desirable at the old price, given how few you could field. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323937-rules-changes-in-lacal/page/3/#findComment-4442680 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Polo Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 Couldn't Rhino's always take pintle weapons?  Also - Rhino's with an assault cannon for BA! Wheeeee. Multi-meltas were never an option before. And all forms of the Laser-Destroyer are 48", there's no oddities anymore. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323937-rules-changes-in-lacal/page/3/#findComment-4442682 Share on other sites More sharing options...
crazyterran Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 I'm seeing Laser Destroyers as being 36" in my ebook right now. Both in the reference sheet and the armoury in the back of the book. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323937-rules-changes-in-lacal/page/3/#findComment-4442686 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Pounder Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 Personally, I'm well chuffed! I have been taking Vets anyway but with these changes I can see them being one of my go to units. I've ordered the book and can't wait to get my grubby hands on it! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323937-rules-changes-in-lacal/page/3/#findComment-4442689 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Polo Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 48" Laser Destroyer Arrays in my iBook. Same thing in the armoury, 48". Â e. If I'm not supposed to post these I'll remove them. But iBook says 48", so I'm rolling with that. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323937-rules-changes-in-lacal/page/3/#findComment-4442693 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 Some pretty great stuff (I'm also disappointed by the Breachers and Destroyers: they are some of the coolest FW elements after all...)  I'm confused though: didn't they keep saying that they were pleased with how much units cost, and would rather change special rules around then change the points?  I think they probably realized that there was nothing they could do rules wise to make ASM worth the cost, so just doubled down.  I'm willing to say that Destroyers are probably almost worth their cost still - Two shooting attacks each, Rad nades, access to good weapons. It's still just the JP that let them down, but in the right list (BA Day of Revelation) the 75pts to Deep Strike Turn one with a 5+ cover and pinning on the weapons is pretty great, especially with a Moritat. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323937-rules-changes-in-lacal/page/3/#findComment-4442698 Share on other sites More sharing options...
crazyterran Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 Interesting. The ebook seems to only have the Laser Destroyer, and not the Laser Destroyer Array. Â Guess that's what I get for spending ten less dollars! :p Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323937-rules-changes-in-lacal/page/3/#findComment-4442700 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fangbanger Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 Great changes up one first glance all round  Not only that, but my current 3000pt list with Spartans, tac marines, kharybdis, anvilus and dread pod all in all works out just 10pts more...  And, I get str5 chain axes and my anvilus has guidance....  I'll take that! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323937-rules-changes-in-lacal/page/3/#findComment-4442705 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonberry Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 Â Did terminators never have a transport option or is that new?I have no idea what you're talking about. They did before, they do now. Where? I'm looking at the unit entry on the ebook right now and there's no option for dedicated transport? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323937-rules-changes-in-lacal/page/3/#findComment-4442711 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 Can you confirm if the Hyperios missile launcher is now Heavy 2? Thanks in advance Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323937-rules-changes-in-lacal/page/3/#findComment-4442712 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolemai Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 Any idea why the Dreadnought Drop Pod's point increase is justified? Not going to be happy when that filters down to the Imperial Armour books.,.. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323937-rules-changes-in-lacal/page/3/#findComment-4442714 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reyner Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 Blood Angels Jetbike Assault Cannon squad possible? Or do they not have the option for Heavy Flamers? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323937-rules-changes-in-lacal/page/3/#findComment-4442720 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 Any idea why the Dreadnought Drop Pod's point increase is justified? Not going to be happy when that filters down to the Imperial Armour books.,.. Â To Hazard a guess, it's pretty powerful already with it's 5+ Cover that can go to other units and the Leviathan is quite bonkers as is... Â Tis a shame for Orbital Assault though. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323937-rules-changes-in-lacal/page/3/#findComment-4442725 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brofist Posted July 15, 2016 Author Share Posted July 15, 2016 Personally, they overdid it with the drop pod price increase. The leviathan is good, but was teetering on the 'almost too expensive' part of that spectrum. An extra 30 points makes it cost almost as much as knight, which you can now take as a LOW. Get ready to see less leviathans and more of those. Otherwise the dreadclaw is better and you can put all your other dreadnoughts inside of it. Â Kinetic Piercing Missile? Kinetic Grenade? Â These are new weapons. I don't know where they came from. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323937-rules-changes-in-lacal/page/3/#findComment-4442729 Share on other sites More sharing options...
crazyterran Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 Blood Angels Jetbike Assault Cannon squad possible? Or do they not have the option for Heavy Flamers?No assault cannon jet bikes, the only options for the sky slayer squad is MM base, Plasma Cannon, Vulkite Culverin, where as the sky hunters start with a Heavy Bolter, and can upgrade 1/3 to MMs, Plasma Cannons, or Vulkite Culverins  Can you confirm if the Hyperios missile launcher is now Heavy 2? Thanks in advance :)  Nope, Heavy 1. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323937-rules-changes-in-lacal/page/3/#findComment-4442730 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolemai Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 Any idea why the Dreadnought Drop Pod's point increase is justified? Not going to be happy when that filters down to the Imperial Armour books.,.. To Hazard a guess, it's pretty powerful already with it's 5+ Cover that can go to other units and the Leviathan is quite bonkers as is... Tis a shame for Orbital Assault though. I mean, it wasn't cheaper than it's Imperial Armour counterpart to begin with? Blood Angels Jetbike Assault Cannon squad possible? Or do they not have the option for Heavy Flamers?No assault cannon jet bikes, the only options for the sky slayer squad is MM base, Plasma Cannon, Vulkite Culverin, where as the sky hunters start with a Heavy Bolter, and can upgrade 1/3 to MMs, Plasma Cannons, or Vulkite Culverins Can you confirm if the Hyperios missile launcher is now Heavy 2? Thanks in advance Nope, Heavy 1. So the Primus Redoubt PDF was a typo afterall Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323937-rules-changes-in-lacal/page/3/#findComment-4442732 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ironwithout Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 Am I missing something? Why does a full squadron of vindicators make them amazing? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323937-rules-changes-in-lacal/page/3/#findComment-4442734 Share on other sites More sharing options...
crazyterran Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 The ebook seems to be missing the rule for the double barrelled turbo-laser as well. Hopefully the physical book doesn't have this many omissions or mistakes, but jeez. There is a lot of them. Â Am I missing something? Why does a full squadron of vindicators make them amazing? If you buy the squadron command tank upgrade, your Vindictators get Monster and Tank Hunter, and ignore shakes on a 4+. The former is what I presume makes it so good, especially for the laser destroyer array tanks. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323937-rules-changes-in-lacal/page/3/#findComment-4442743 Share on other sites More sharing options...
helterskelter Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 Am I missing something? Why does a full squadron of vindicators make them amazing? Command tank upgrade giving them tank and monster hunter? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323937-rules-changes-in-lacal/page/3/#findComment-4442745 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brofist Posted July 15, 2016 Author Share Posted July 15, 2016 ...and they're 'fast' if you run armored breakthrough Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323937-rules-changes-in-lacal/page/3/#findComment-4442746 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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