Jolemai Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 Silly question, but is the Malcador still a Super-heavy Vehicle?Yes. So this is the first instance of vehicle SHVs? (Not counting the Stormsurge) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323937-rules-changes-in-lacal/page/5/#findComment-4442873 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caillum Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 Ok, a couple of answers for people: Grenade launchers, or rather combi-grenades, are in the wargear section. They're exactly like normal 40k grenade launchers, but one-use like combi-weapons normally are. Laser destroyers seem to be 36" range, while laser destroyer arrays are 48". The arrays are only found on Rapiers and Vindicators, while the other is found on sponsons. Malcadors are indeed a Super-heavy Vehicle still. The squadron is a Heavy Support option now. Still can't get over this! :) Hunter-killer missiles cost 5 points. On everything. Previously they were only that cheap on Javelins. Same goes for extra armour. Legion Terminators can definitely still take a Land Raider Phobos, Spartan or Dreadclaw as a Dedicated Transport. What is missing is the box-out in the Dreadclaw section allowing any Terminator armour equipped unit to take one as a DT. Deliberate or not? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323937-rules-changes-in-lacal/page/5/#findComment-4442878 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guiltysparc Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 Flare Shields are 45 pts on a Spartan now, 305 base, LasDes are Free, yes. Javelin is -20 and hit in CC at -2 unless immobilized. HKs stoll 5 per. DDP is 100 flat. Thanks! So the HK price didn't change, that makes sense, i was like but they were already only 5pts, lol. The javelin hit in CC thing, so do you mean that enemy models are hitting it on 5s (3 to hit -2)? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323937-rules-changes-in-lacal/page/5/#findComment-4442881 Share on other sites More sharing options...
PastelAvenger Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 Just out of curiosity because it hasn't been mentioned did any of the Legion Super Heavy Blade chassis vehicles get Space Narune crew for free? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323937-rules-changes-in-lacal/page/5/#findComment-4442883 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 Flare Shields are 45 pts on a Spartan now, 305 base, LasDes are Free, yes. Javelin is -20 and hit in CC at -2 unless immobilized. HKs stoll 5 per. DDP is 100 flat. Thanks! So the HK price didn't change, that makes sense, i was like but they were already only 5pts, lol. The javelin hit in CC thing, so do you mean that enemy models are hitting it on 5s (3 to hit -2)? Unless immobilized, if someone tries to punch your papermache missile boat, its at -2 Just out of curiosity because it hasn't been mentioned did any of the Legion Super Heavy Blade chassis vehicles get Space Narune crew for free? The only one I saw was the Stormblade and you need to pay for SMC Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323937-rules-changes-in-lacal/page/5/#findComment-4442897 Share on other sites More sharing options...
PastelAvenger Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 That is a joke cheers Slips Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323937-rules-changes-in-lacal/page/5/#findComment-4442901 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 Personally, they overdid it with the drop pod price increase. The leviathan is good, but was teetering on the 'almost too expensive' part of that spectrum. An extra 30 points makes it cost almost as much as knight, which you can now take as a LOW. Get ready to see less leviathans and more of those. Otherwise the dreadclaw is better and you can put all your other dreadnoughts inside of it. I dunno dude, let's chat about this. Giving a dread (especially a Levi) what amounts to three void shields and Shrouded is pretty amazing. My WE Orbital Assault list uses three Levis in pods to fill heavy support and I'll gladly still pay 100 points per to drop those chubby bastards exactly where I need them and more or less guarentee they'll be able to charge something expensive. I think they're easily worth a much as a Knight. If you just compare them foot slogging, then sure the Levi obviously loses, but when you combine the mobility of the pod, the extra resilience it grants (essentially giving the Levi one more 'hull point' than the knight) coupled with the fact a charging Leviathan will probably knee cap a knight before it can swing in most circumstances... totes worth the asking price What the exceedingly bloodthirsty lady said. I'm a firm believer that because of their delivery systems and weapon arrays, Leviathan's are better than knights. Even having the limitation of shooting one target with weapons is fine, as you can load up with Grav and Phosphex and murder 2+ units on the drop, then drill into a high value AV target next turn if you survive (probable). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323937-rules-changes-in-lacal/page/5/#findComment-4442903 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flint13 Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 Also, Leviathans figured out how to make a 4+ invuln work in every direction. Where's your super tech now, Knight? :lol: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323937-rules-changes-in-lacal/page/5/#findComment-4442906 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hellrender Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 There was a rumour of baneblade variants becoming LOW for legions like the knight. Can anyone confirm? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323937-rules-changes-in-lacal/page/5/#findComment-4442915 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spinsanity Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 There was a rumour of baneblade variants becoming LOW for legions like the knight. Can anyone confirm?This should provide the answer you seek (check post #67, page 9) : http://heresy30k.invisionzone.com/index.php?/topic/7426-fw-release-080716-legiones-astartes-age-of-darkness-army-list/page-4&do=findComment&comment=139740 So yes, Baneblades/hammers, Stormlords/swords, Shadowswords, as well as Maccariuses, Crassuses and Minotaurs (plus some flyers) can now all sport Space Marine Crew. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323937-rules-changes-in-lacal/page/5/#findComment-4442927 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 Iron Warriors Minotaur is pretty damn fluff-tastic! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323937-rules-changes-in-lacal/page/5/#findComment-4442930 Share on other sites More sharing options...
m0nolith Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 Can termies no longer take Spartans as dedicated transports? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323937-rules-changes-in-lacal/page/5/#findComment-4442932 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctor Perils Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 RITES OF WAR Armoured Breakthrough * same, except for Master of Armour! A single Sicaran or Predaor tank may be upgraded to a Company Command vehicle, counting as an HQ, and counts as having Master of the Legion! It must be the Warlord, and has the Super-Heavy Command Tank rule (re-roll Morale within 24") and +1BS. I was getting a little bummed at all the tank nerfs , but this is absolutely massive for me. Can the Company Command vehicle take a Warlord trait then? Also, does the company command vehicle count as taking the rite of war (ie: master of the legion)? If not, you still need a Praetor or Delegatus right? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323937-rules-changes-in-lacal/page/5/#findComment-4442933 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 Can termies no longer take Spartans as dedicated transports? Im looking at their page and it says they can. What are you reading that would state otherwise? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323937-rules-changes-in-lacal/page/5/#findComment-4442949 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Polo Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 Can termies no longer take Spartans as dedicated transports? Im looking at their page and it says they can. What are you reading that would state otherwise? Enhanced iBook doesn't have a Dedicated Transport section for terminators. So business as usual with FW :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323937-rules-changes-in-lacal/page/5/#findComment-4442958 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 The Sicaran price hike seems a bit steep I must say. Overall my army is cheaper but I question if the tanks are worth it :-/ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323937-rules-changes-in-lacal/page/5/#findComment-4442959 Share on other sites More sharing options...
1000 Sons Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 Caestus Assault Ram still 305 points ? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323937-rules-changes-in-lacal/page/5/#findComment-4442964 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 Caestus Assault Ram still 305 points ? Yup. If it couldnt before, can now upgrade its Havoc Launchers to regular missile launchers with Frag and Krak. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323937-rules-changes-in-lacal/page/5/#findComment-4442967 Share on other sites More sharing options...
helterskelter Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 The Sicaran price hike seems a bit steep I must say. Overall my army is cheaper but I question if the tanks are worth it :-/ Shoot more susceptible targets to your vehicles level of wrath. More bodies more points made back. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323937-rules-changes-in-lacal/page/5/#findComment-4442968 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baluc Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 Personally, they overdid it with the drop pod price increase. The leviathan is good, but was teetering on the 'almost too expensive' part of that spectrum. An extra 30 points makes it cost almost as much as knight, which you can now take as a LOW. Get ready to see less leviathans and more of those. Otherwise the dreadclaw is better and you can put all your other dreadnoughts inside of it. Kinetic Piercing Missile? Kinetic Grenade? These are new weapons. I don't know where they came from. Dreads punish infantry and making the fastest, most reliable delivery method more expensive keeps shooty dreads usable. By the look of these changes it seems FW was not happy with the tank heavy meta game that had developed. Armoured breakthrough alleviates a lot of the issues with going tank heavy, which is probably why it seemed "too" good at launch. Curiously Scorpios is still very cheap... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323937-rules-changes-in-lacal/page/5/#findComment-4442969 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 The Sicaran price hike seems a bit steep I must say. Overall my army is cheaper but I question if the tanks are worth it :-/ I wouldn't go that far, I think the Sicaran was so cheap for what is was (compatible to a Predator) for a much better weapons and fast. It lacked Squads but they can be a hindrance too. Feels like they are more of a decision to take now than the somewhat no brainer they were! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323937-rules-changes-in-lacal/page/5/#findComment-4442973 Share on other sites More sharing options...
01RTB01 Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 I'll still pod my leviathan. Awesome delivery system and it smashes things with glee. It's extra points but I saved a load on a proteus, tac marines, breachers, etc :) swings and roundabouts! Is 3rd company elite in the new book? (EC rite of war) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323937-rules-changes-in-lacal/page/5/#findComment-4442994 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 All of the book 6 rites of war are in here. I am not 100% sure on WS/BA/DA though. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323937-rules-changes-in-lacal/page/5/#findComment-4443001 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 Per my Epub Version, no BA/DA/WS RoWs or Legionss Astartes Rules as far as I can tell. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323937-rules-changes-in-lacal/page/5/#findComment-4443003 Share on other sites More sharing options...
God-Potato of Mankind Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 Do we know if a Legion specific rework is due? I see a lot of Legion uniques becoming obsolete while some Legions have benefitted disproportionately (World Eaters) so are they planning to adjust costs for uniques Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323937-rules-changes-in-lacal/page/5/#findComment-4443012 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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