Ishagu Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 Veteran Marines are a brilliant choice now, and they make the Primarch's Chosen detachment a viable alternative to PoL lists, especially now that the Typhon is pricier. I'm very, very happy with the changes to Apothecaries. Guilliman and my Suzerains just became more survivable :-D The Malcador, with default front armour 14 and a price drop is an absolutely brilliant heavy support choice. Worth the investment. Assault Marines: the substantial point cost drop fully justifies their inclusion in lists :-D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323937-rules-changes-in-lacal/page/6/#findComment-4443014 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 Do we know if a Legion specific rework is due? I see a lot of Legion uniques becoming obsolete while some Legions have benefitted disproportionately (World Eaters) so are they planning to adjust costs for uniques Yeah it's kinda weird. Reavers, Rampagers, Headhunters... Even Mor'Deythan are all a little lacking now compared to the mighty veterans who can do what they did, cheaper and more consistently... Hell frigging Inductii with S6 Chainaxes suped up with Apothecary stimms is just pure insanity. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323937-rules-changes-in-lacal/page/6/#findComment-4443021 Share on other sites More sharing options...
God-Potato of Mankind Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 Veterans are just the bees knees. I suppose you can buy the Legion unique but run them as veterans but where's the spirit and fun in that? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323937-rules-changes-in-lacal/page/6/#findComment-4443030 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caillum Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 @Lord Thørn, the Company Command Vehicle counts as having the Master of the Legion rule when running Armoured Breakthrough. He can, if you wish, completely replace the Delegatus/Praetor. He doesn't have to be the Warlord, but if he is then you do not roll for a Warlord Trait, but instead get +1 BS and the Super-heavy Command Tank rule (re-roll Morale within 24"). On the Legion-specific discussion... We only just got a new Age of Darkness Legions book! It had some changes, but definitely left a few units out in the cold, especially when you compare it to this newer generic Legions book and the Veteran buff. Chosen Duty or Maloghurst-led Sons of Horus are the business. :) via Imgflip Meme Generator Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323937-rules-changes-in-lacal/page/6/#findComment-4443039 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 Even Tamplar Brethren are a little iffy now... Limited to just Swords. Sure they get FC but WS5 vets might just be better... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323937-rules-changes-in-lacal/page/6/#findComment-4443041 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torvak Kyre Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 These Inductii that everyone keeps mentioning. What are they? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323937-rules-changes-in-lacal/page/6/#findComment-4443048 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Polo Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 Pride of the legion actually got a very small nerf that most likely won't affect anyone. But if someone doesn't intend on running terminator troops then Chosen Duty is most likely a better choice. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323937-rules-changes-in-lacal/page/6/#findComment-4443049 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terminus Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 Veterans made better? Crazy. Tactical discount is very nice for someone who likes to keep them cheap. A little salty that my 15-man breacher squad costs the same and now is more if I go to bigger numbers, but okay I guess. Assault marine buff I feel is almost too good, but I'll take it. Javelins are have always been great, now are amazing. Seekers being cheaper is a good thing although shame about more expensive extras. This change also cements Headhunters as utter trash. New bikes seem lame for a heavy support option but maybe for a theme list. The biggest change is apothecaries, which are now the best unit period. So many nasty shenanigans. Ravens and Snakes will be handing out a lot of shattered legion assists! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323937-rules-changes-in-lacal/page/6/#findComment-4443054 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 Even Tamplar Brethren are a little iffy now... Limited to just Swords. Sure they get FC but WS5 vets might just be better... ...Templar are WS and BS5 (Bolt Pistols) with FC, 2+/5++ though. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323937-rules-changes-in-lacal/page/6/#findComment-4443057 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkimaskMohawk Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 Yea I'm pretty surprised that barely anyone has talked about the javelins, but then again, most people didn't realize just how good they were. Now, for under 200 points you can get a squadron that puts out 6 twinlinked bs5 krak missiles, 3 bs 5 multimeltas and a potential 6 more bs 5 krak missiles. That's 15 bs5 str 8 shots on a turn you shoot everything. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323937-rules-changes-in-lacal/page/6/#findComment-4443058 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Blackwood Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 Even Tamplar Brethren are a little iffy now... Limited to just Swords. Sure they get FC but WS5 vets might just be better... ...Templar are WS and BS5 (Bolt Pistols) with FC, 2+/5++ though. And their ride got cheaper it seems Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323937-rules-changes-in-lacal/page/6/#findComment-4443063 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flint13 Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 These Inductii that everyone keeps mentioning. What are they? The World Eater Apothecary, Gahlan Surlak, allows you to upgrade WE tactical squads to Augmented Inductii. They get +1 Str and FnP 6+, but BS3 and no longer count as scoring. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323937-rules-changes-in-lacal/page/6/#findComment-4443065 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Loss Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 What are peoples thoughts on the new Deredeo lascannons? It sounds awesome but the points cost just feels far too high to me Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323937-rules-changes-in-lacal/page/6/#findComment-4443071 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 What are peoples thoughts on the new Deredeo lascannons? It sounds awesome but the points cost just feels far too high to me Points aren't an issue for me and it gives the option of a heavy armour hunting Deredeo something the current one can't do as efficiently as 2 S10 Ap 2 Shots that can produce 1 more auto-pen each on a 4+ that ignores cover (see: Ignores Jink) I'll totally nab a 2nd Deredeo with Lascannons at this point. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323937-rules-changes-in-lacal/page/6/#findComment-4443077 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkimaskMohawk Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 Also don't know if people noticed but you can shoot the occupant of a dreadpod now Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323937-rules-changes-in-lacal/page/6/#findComment-4443086 Share on other sites More sharing options...
helterskelter Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 The deredeo las weapon Definitely gives my NL terror some much needed anti tank punch and with points saved elsewhere I'm justified totally :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323937-rules-changes-in-lacal/page/6/#findComment-4443088 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Loss Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 Yeah the 50 point cost is pretty damn high considering how good the autocannons already are, but I'm finding it hard to resist. A lot of potential with those weapons Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323937-rules-changes-in-lacal/page/6/#findComment-4443089 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spinsanity Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 The IronWarrior in me wishes we'd see a new Deredeo sporting twin mortars of some sort... But those lascannons are sweet. I'm not a treadhead and prefer dreads by far, and those lascannons definitely look alot sweeter than a vindi or sicaran! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323937-rules-changes-in-lacal/page/6/#findComment-4443091 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 Even Tamplar Brethren are a little iffy now... Limited to just Swords. Sure they get FC but WS5 vets might just be better... ...Templar are WS and BS5 (Bolt Pistols) with FC, 2+/5++ though. And their ride got cheaper it seems Totally forgot they were 2+. Whoops. Also don't know if people noticed but you can shoot the occupant of a dreadpod now WHAT. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323937-rules-changes-in-lacal/page/6/#findComment-4443096 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkimaskMohawk Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 First bullet point of burning retros "Once the Drop Pod lands, its doors are opened automatically, but the Dreadnought inside does not have to deploy out unless the controlling player wishes, and if this is the case, though it may still be targeted by shooting attacks, it may not be charged while this rule is in effect." Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323937-rules-changes-in-lacal/page/6/#findComment-4443099 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 Welp. Then there is absolutely NO reason it should have gotten a points hike. The Leviathan just got worse.... ¬_¬ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323937-rules-changes-in-lacal/page/6/#findComment-4443106 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolemai Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 My desire for an Imperial Armour update has just diminished somewhat... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323937-rules-changes-in-lacal/page/6/#findComment-4443108 Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronDrake28 Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 But you get shrouded guys :P heh heh Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323937-rules-changes-in-lacal/page/6/#findComment-4443110 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khornestar Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 First bullet point of burning retros "Once the Drop Pod lands, its doors are opened automatically, but the Dreadnought inside does not have to deploy out unless the controlling player wishes, and if this is the case, though it may still be targeted by shooting attacks, it may not be charged while this rule is in effect." Oh that is awesome. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323937-rules-changes-in-lacal/page/6/#findComment-4443111 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 First bullet point of burning retros "Once the Drop Pod lands, its doors are opened automatically, but the Dreadnought inside does not have to deploy out unless the controlling player wishes, and if this is the case, though it may still be targeted by shooting attacks, it may not be charged while this rule is in effect." Oh that is awesome. No it's a Disaster :( Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323937-rules-changes-in-lacal/page/6/#findComment-4443113 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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