Guiltysparc Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 I almost wish i could put a levi in a mastadon for the sheer lunacy of it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323937-rules-changes-in-lacal/page/9/#findComment-4443291 Share on other sites More sharing options...
OwlandMoonGuy Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 It explicitly says they get shroud from the dreads shooting so sadly it just pushes grav bombard even further towards being the best G-F Bombard and heavy flamers FTW! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323937-rules-changes-in-lacal/page/9/#findComment-4443293 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brofist Posted July 15, 2016 Author Share Posted July 15, 2016 A levi can ride in the giant dreadclaw, right? How about a pair of them? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323937-rules-changes-in-lacal/page/9/#findComment-4443301 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 A levi can ride in the giant dreadclaw, right? How about a pair of them? For over 1000 points, sure. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323937-rules-changes-in-lacal/page/9/#findComment-4443315 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theredknight Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 Can they? The list says legion and contemptor pattern dreads, unless I'm missing something? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323937-rules-changes-in-lacal/page/9/#findComment-4443320 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 Pretty much. The Cost of the Kharybdis is just a bit under a naked Leviathan with its points reduction but taking two levis in a Kharybdis each is pretty much equivalent to buying 4 levis for a list. And since a Levis only transport options are a Thunderhawk, Stormbird, Kharybdis or Dreadnought Drop Pod, the current most cost effective choice would be the DDP Can they? The list says legion and contemptor pattern dreads, unless I'm missing something? He meant the Kharybdis. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323937-rules-changes-in-lacal/page/9/#findComment-4443321 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guiltysparc Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 Hmm, with the point decrease on the khrybdis and the point increase on the ddp, it would be a 130pt swing to swap for the big krab...maybe worth it? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323937-rules-changes-in-lacal/page/9/#findComment-4443322 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theredknight Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 Pretty much. The Cost of the Kharybdis is just a bit under a naked Leviathan with its points reduction but taking two levis in a Kharybdis each is pretty much equivalent to buying 4 levis for a list. And since a Levis only transport options are a Thunderhawk, Stormbird, Kharybdis or Dreadnought Drop Pod, the current most cost effective choice would be the DDP Can they? The list says legion and contemptor pattern dreads, unless I'm missing something?He meant the Kharybdis. Blast, I was editing it to hide that! I think it's bed time now isn't it.. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323937-rules-changes-in-lacal/page/9/#findComment-4443323 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TompiQ Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 Disregard - Had this tab open for too long, the discussion moved on! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323937-rules-changes-in-lacal/page/9/#findComment-4443330 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brofist Posted July 15, 2016 Author Share Posted July 15, 2016 Hmm, with the point decrease on the khrybdis and the point increase on the ddp, it would be a 130pt swing to swap for the big krab...maybe worth it? Yeah, that's my logic. If you put two in there, suddenly it's a ~50 point swing for a bigger, meaner, shootier death onion. e: I have officially pattended this the 'death onion' Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323937-rules-changes-in-lacal/page/9/#findComment-4443334 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 Hmm, with the point decrease on the khrybdis and the point increase on the ddp, it would be a 130pt swing to swap for the big krab...maybe worth it? Yeah, that's my logic. If you put two in there, suddenly it's a ~50 point swing for a bigger, meaner, shootier death onion. Sadly, a Kharybdis can only carry a single dread, if thats what you were going for. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323937-rules-changes-in-lacal/page/9/#findComment-4443336 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brofist Posted July 15, 2016 Author Share Posted July 15, 2016 Welp, that's a bummer. If it could carry talons it would get more use. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323937-rules-changes-in-lacal/page/9/#findComment-4443338 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fangbanger Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 Man that's a shame for the pods. Not so much for the levi runners as that thing is just nuts, but for us that run little baby Contemptor... it hurts more Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323937-rules-changes-in-lacal/page/9/#findComment-4443343 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 Yeah, the ONLY dread that has access to a less-than-100-point-transport is the Box Dread who can take Legion Drop Pods, iirc. Everything else is stuck with a DDP (100), Dreadclaw (115) or Kharybdis (235). The only exception being the Deredeo who can only get shoved into a Thunderhawk/Stormbird since those carry Dreadnoughts of any type vs the Mastodon only taking Box and Contemptors. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323937-rules-changes-in-lacal/page/9/#findComment-4443346 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 235 for a Kharybdis is god damned beautiful. Rather that than a Spartan. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323937-rules-changes-in-lacal/page/9/#findComment-4443350 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nusquam Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 Black Shield Marauder Stormlord Pain Train is a gooooooooo~!I was doing this anyway. But now that Marauders got better chainaxes, access to apothecaries, and legal access to the Stormlord I am 999% behind this idea. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323937-rules-changes-in-lacal/page/9/#findComment-4443355 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plaguecaster Posted July 16, 2016 Share Posted July 16, 2016 Str10 las on Deredero is pure heaven though i may have to have a serious redo of my list just to fit stuff in Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323937-rules-changes-in-lacal/page/9/#findComment-4443370 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terminus Posted July 16, 2016 Share Posted July 16, 2016 Do we know if a Legion specific rework is due? I see a lot of Legion uniques becoming obsolete while some Legions have benefitted disproportionately (World Eaters) so are they planning to adjust costs for uniques They just re-did the Legions book, because as much as we love them, we know FW are as incompetent at rules balance as GW ever was. I assume once the remaining Legions have full rules, they will republish it and maybe update stuff (that will be poorly thought out and break other stuff lol). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323937-rules-changes-in-lacal/page/9/#findComment-4443379 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Aiwass Posted July 16, 2016 Share Posted July 16, 2016 Yeah, I have trouble trying to fit a 10 man seeker squad ¬¬_ but they're so sweet right now. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323937-rules-changes-in-lacal/page/9/#findComment-4443381 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terminus Posted July 16, 2016 Share Posted July 16, 2016 The targeting change to dread pods is awful. Basically makes dropping dreads too expensive and does nothing to protect Contemptors and Leviathans since they already have equal or better saves. Cortus pods are raw garbage now, a 5++ won't save AV11. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323937-rules-changes-in-lacal/page/9/#findComment-4443385 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Blackwood Posted July 16, 2016 Share Posted July 16, 2016 Hey atleast they gave us native access to Knights in our lists via war machine detachment. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323937-rules-changes-in-lacal/page/9/#findComment-4443471 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soldier of Dorn Posted July 16, 2016 Share Posted July 16, 2016 Okay, now that I've had a day or so to actually process all the changes, I think we made out pretty well. A few nerfs, of course, but nothing that wasn't really deserved, and far outnumbered by all the buffs many units got. I'm happy with it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323937-rules-changes-in-lacal/page/9/#findComment-4443472 Share on other sites More sharing options...
2gud2bbad Posted July 16, 2016 Share Posted July 16, 2016 Well, looks like i'm getting 3 Boxnaughts with flamestorm cannons in a Talon an drop those instead of a leviathan Haha Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323937-rules-changes-in-lacal/page/9/#findComment-4443504 Share on other sites More sharing options...
crazyterran Posted July 16, 2016 Share Posted July 16, 2016 Way to go ruining dread pods, leviathans. Into the corner with you! Edit: The Kharbydis is an AV 12 flyer that has to come on the board in hover mode, and doesn't even have the courtesy of Ceramite. Seems like a death trap to me! Though, I suppose if it doesn't get exploded, it can at least tank five hull points... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323937-rules-changes-in-lacal/page/9/#findComment-4443517 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theredknight Posted July 16, 2016 Share Posted July 16, 2016 The targeting change to dread pods is awful. Basically makes dropping dreads too expensive and does nothing to protect Contemptors and Leviathans since they already have equal or better saves. Cortus pods are raw garbage now, a 5++ won't save AV11. They will also get a 3+ cover save on the drop though. 5+ for burn retros +2 to cover save for shooting THROUGH the pod. That help a little? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323937-rules-changes-in-lacal/page/9/#findComment-4443528 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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