m0nolith Posted July 18, 2016 Share Posted July 18, 2016 Penddraig asked some questions to the FW folks during the recent Weekender, and had one regarding the Blade of Perdition. This is just a copy and paste from him regarding the BoP from Heresy30k, so all credit goes to him. 6. Perdition Blade. If a 1 wound model fails it's save, are two models removed or just one? If other words, do the two wounds pass onto the unit or only against multi-wound models? The Perdition Blade only works against multi-wound models. The double wound does not get passed onto other single wound models. Cont in another post. Not the way Alan explained it. He explained that for each successful wound roll, the model makes a save. If the save is failed then the resulting caused wound is doubled so would instantly kill any model with two wounds (Justearin, Fire Drakes etc), if a model has one wound then it is removed but there is no further effect, if a model has three or more wounds then it loses the appropriate number depending on the number of failed saves. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/324018-how-the-ba-blade-of-perdition-works-according-to-fw/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Unseen Posted July 18, 2016 Share Posted July 18, 2016 I read it as when you roll to wound against a unit, you double the wound pool, and the unit takes saves normally? So if you cause 2 wounds to a unit, they take 4 saves. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/324018-how-the-ba-blade-of-perdition-works-according-to-fw/#findComment-4445562 Share on other sites More sharing options...
m0nolith Posted July 18, 2016 Author Share Posted July 18, 2016 I read it as when you roll to wound against a unit, you double the wound pool, and the unit takes saves normally? So if you cause 2 wounds to a unit, they take 4 saves. As did I, but apparently thats wrong according to what Alan Bligh. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/324018-how-the-ba-blade-of-perdition-works-according-to-fw/#findComment-4445573 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Polo Posted July 18, 2016 Share Posted July 18, 2016 That was the logical (from a narrative perspective) interpretation, so I'm glad it got clarified like so. It's still a positively deadly, cost-efficient weapon. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/324018-how-the-ba-blade-of-perdition-works-according-to-fw/#findComment-4445696 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted July 18, 2016 Share Posted July 18, 2016 Well, to me, thats fine. Because now BA Praetors still have a reason to take Lightsaber Photonic Blade when possible. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/324018-how-the-ba-blade-of-perdition-works-according-to-fw/#findComment-4445713 Share on other sites More sharing options...
m0nolith Posted July 19, 2016 Author Share Posted July 19, 2016 Well, to me, thats fine. Because now BA Praetors still have a reason to take Lightsaber Photonic Blade when possible. "When Possible" is the key word there. Iv yet to come across a HH game that they use relics from that book. On the other hand when you're up against a 40k army, it makes sense to use it against an opponent then. If they have the right to use relics from their 40k codex, then why shouldn't you? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/324018-how-the-ba-blade-of-perdition-works-according-to-fw/#findComment-4445783 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted July 19, 2016 Share Posted July 19, 2016 Well that SUCKS and doesn't make any sense RAW at all. It doesn't stipulate anything about assigning the wounds when they are doubled or whatever. Eurgh. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/324018-how-the-ba-blade-of-perdition-works-according-to-fw/#findComment-4446072 Share on other sites More sharing options...
m0nolith Posted July 19, 2016 Author Share Posted July 19, 2016 Yeah, the next FAQ really needs to clear this matter up. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/324018-how-the-ba-blade-of-perdition-works-according-to-fw/#findComment-4446206 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted July 19, 2016 Share Posted July 19, 2016 I mean, it's not the worst as it is still AP2 at initiative for Consuls. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/324018-how-the-ba-blade-of-perdition-works-according-to-fw/#findComment-4446350 Share on other sites More sharing options...
m0nolith Posted July 19, 2016 Author Share Posted July 19, 2016 Allright, Im going to email FW about clarifying this. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/324018-how-the-ba-blade-of-perdition-works-according-to-fw/#findComment-4446390 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dono1979 Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 Allright, Im going to email FW about clarifying this. You do realise that the vast majority of people will take Alan Bligh's word over an email response from Forge World front of house right? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/324018-how-the-ba-blade-of-perdition-works-according-to-fw/#findComment-4446667 Share on other sites More sharing options...
m0nolith Posted July 20, 2016 Author Share Posted July 20, 2016 Allright, Im going to email FW about clarifying this. You do realise that the vast majority of people will take Alan Bligh's word over an email response from Forge World front of house right? Penndraig has been consistently reliable when it comes to whats coming up, but it is written pretty clearly; "Every wound caused by this weapon is doubled to two wounds. Roll to save against each wound separately." If it is was the way that Alan said, then why did they specifically write "Roll to save against each wound separately." I can see it having to stay on the same model, but not rolling once for two wounds otherwise it wouldn't have said that. Somethings fishy. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/324018-how-the-ba-blade-of-perdition-works-according-to-fw/#findComment-4446676 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Polo Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 Roll to save for each as a balancing mechanic? It means you have the potential for double wounds, rather than a guarantee. It removes a bit of certainty and makes both the owner and the opponent think. And it's still a rather cheap AP2 weapon at initiative, master-crafted, with the benefits of LA: BA that has extra wounded capabilities. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/324018-how-the-ba-blade-of-perdition-works-according-to-fw/#findComment-4446798 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theredknight Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 RAW it says that though, if there is any different meaning then I'm sure it shall be FAQd at some point. Conversations with Bligh could be anything tbh, I play another BA player, and would look an a hole if I said 'but it's not supposed to work like that,someone on the internet said someone else on the Internet told him that Bligh told him the rule works differently. It mentions nothing of the wound restrictions at all in the wording? This isn't an offensive post at all but you see my point there? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/324018-how-the-ba-blade-of-perdition-works-according-to-fw/#findComment-4446801 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Polo Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 I am addressing the "rolling twice is fishy" comment only. You are free to do whatever you want with your group. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/324018-how-the-ba-blade-of-perdition-works-according-to-fw/#findComment-4446865 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theredknight Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 I still not sure what you mean "Every wound caused by this weapon is doubled to two wounds. Roll to save against each wound separately" Seems pretty straight forward to me. Says nothing about wound allocation to models. When you attack a unit, If a guy causes 3 wounds (it doubles to six) , thats 6 saves. If 6 are failed, 6 wounds are allocated accordingly. Am I missing something here? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/324018-how-the-ba-blade-of-perdition-works-according-to-fw/#findComment-4446882 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 RAW, that is exactly how it works TRK. Having it work how AB said in the parameters of rolling other saves separately makes no sense. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/324018-how-the-ba-blade-of-perdition-works-according-to-fw/#findComment-4446953 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted July 22, 2016 Share Posted July 22, 2016 · Hidden by Flint13, July 24, 2016 - No reason given Hidden by Flint13, July 24, 2016 - No reason given The photonic blade would be amazing to model... It's a lightsabre :-D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/324018-how-the-ba-blade-of-perdition-works-according-to-fw/#findComment-4448822
Blindhamster Posted July 31, 2016 Share Posted July 31, 2016 Tbh if it works the way Alan supposedly says, it's never getting used on a BA Praetor again as it's only real edge was that it meant a BA praetor could avoid being tarpitted. Until there is an official FAQ I sure as he'll wouldn't change to the badly worded explanation above. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/324018-how-the-ba-blade-of-perdition-works-according-to-fw/#findComment-4454564 Share on other sites More sharing options...
m0nolith Posted August 3, 2016 Author Share Posted August 3, 2016 Well FW got back to me and they said they will forward it to their design team, ie, they dont know yet. My guess is that it will be in the next FAQ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/324018-how-the-ba-blade-of-perdition-works-according-to-fw/#findComment-4457090 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supe robot gangster #1 Posted August 4, 2016 Share Posted August 4, 2016 Well FW got back to me and they said they will forward it to their design team, ie, they dont know yet. My guess is that it will be in the next FAQ They are not allowed to say anything, except to tell you they aren't allowed to say anything Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/324018-how-the-ba-blade-of-perdition-works-according-to-fw/#findComment-4457301 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blindhamster Posted August 4, 2016 Share Posted August 4, 2016 The other issue is that the initial question itself is flawed. It talks about making one save and losing 2 models. Which is very clearly not how the rule is written. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/324018-how-the-ba-blade-of-perdition-works-according-to-fw/#findComment-4457429 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted August 4, 2016 Share Posted August 4, 2016 RAW it's the most simple thing ever. You rolled 2 wounds? Cool they are now 4. Roll 4 saves. None of this multi-wound restriction crap D: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/324018-how-the-ba-blade-of-perdition-works-according-to-fw/#findComment-4457519 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blindhamster Posted August 4, 2016 Share Posted August 4, 2016 Stupid phone. Ignore. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/324018-how-the-ba-blade-of-perdition-works-according-to-fw/#findComment-4457532 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted August 4, 2016 Share Posted August 4, 2016 I do not see where the multi wound restriction is coming from tbh. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/324018-how-the-ba-blade-of-perdition-works-according-to-fw/#findComment-4458273 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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