Jackalwolf Posted July 21, 2016 Share Posted July 21, 2016 Hey there fluff fellas, Just was now in the process of thinking about a chapter to make in 40k as successors of my Emperor´s Children loyalists and of course, the Red Scorpions sprung to mind, but a bit of research made me find an occult chapter mentioned only once in the chronicles of the Imperium which seem to fit the bill: Sons of Antaeus http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Sons_of_Antaeus - Antaeus was one of the Lord Commanders of the Emperor´s Children and there is no information either of his death or the participation on the treachery. He also happened to be the figurehead I chose to build my loyalist IIIrd around - Check - They are from unknown geneseed origin - Check - There are suspicions of genetical modifications that makes them stronger warriors than even other space marines - Check On the flip side, their references to resilience could make them a Death Guard successor chapter. I guess what I´m asking if anyone has any ideas/thoughts for Emperor´s Children loyalist successor chapters other than the Red Scorpions. Thoughts? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/324089-sons-of-antaeus/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted July 21, 2016 Share Posted July 21, 2016 Maybe theyre a Loyalist EC/DG fusion chapter whose progenitors rallied together during the Heresy under the banner of Antaeus? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/324089-sons-of-antaeus/#findComment-4447860 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reyner Posted July 21, 2016 Share Posted July 21, 2016 I thought the Sons of Antaeus were from the 13th Founding? (The Dark Founding) Which would put their supposed creation millennia after the Heresy ended? Skirting past that though it is a good fit for some Blackshield Chymeriae! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/324089-sons-of-antaeus/#findComment-4447870 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareddm Posted July 21, 2016 Share Posted July 21, 2016 21st founding actually, making them even less likely to have any direct relationship to the Heresy, gene-seed not withstanding. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/324089-sons-of-antaeus/#findComment-4447879 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reyner Posted July 21, 2016 Share Posted July 21, 2016 21st founding actually, making them even less likely to have any direct relationship to the Heresy, gene-seed not withstanding. D'oh even worse then haha! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/324089-sons-of-antaeus/#findComment-4447882 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackalwolf Posted July 21, 2016 Author Share Posted July 21, 2016 MM fair enough, I believe they´re actually from the 13th as Reyner suggested but the point is valid none the less. Do you guys can think of any fluff relating canon space marine chapters that could fit the bill? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/324089-sons-of-antaeus/#findComment-4447943 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareddm Posted July 21, 2016 Share Posted July 21, 2016 Nope, positive they're 21st founding. That said, if you're looking for Emperor's Children successor chapter, the Death Eagles are the chapter you're looking for. There's more evidence that the Death Eagles are EC successors than the Red Scorpions, whose evidence is based on marine personality traits, rather than something more substantial. Whereas the Death Eagles are mentioned by name as having been the call sign of the Emperor's Children 34th Millennial, who remained loyal during the Heresy. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/324089-sons-of-antaeus/#findComment-4447962 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackalwolf Posted July 21, 2016 Author Share Posted July 21, 2016 Mmm thanks man, the death eagles do fit the bill perfectly. Only issue to overcome is the excessively 80s name and the bland color scheme but with the right amount of work black can look awesome... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/324089-sons-of-antaeus/#findComment-4448010 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareddm Posted July 21, 2016 Share Posted July 21, 2016 Well if you're looking for a way around their color scheme, there's always their original Rogue Trader-era colors, which is probably how Alan Bligh came up with the new lore connecting them to the EC. http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323996-old-death-eagles-colors/ Edit: As an aside, the color scheme of your EC army is absurdly gorgeous and I think a toned down version of the Death Eagle's original scheme could work well in your style. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/324089-sons-of-antaeus/#findComment-4448028 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackalwolf Posted July 21, 2016 Author Share Posted July 21, 2016 Thanks mate, I just checked that link and indeed the original purple and white color scheme looks much more satisfying to paint! Plus I could reuse my vehicles from 30k whenever that happens and use the aquila in bones from the blackshields transfer sheet as the chapter symbol. About the name... Nothing a bit of Latin can't clean: Mortem Aquilae! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/324089-sons-of-antaeus/#findComment-4448035 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knight of the Raven Posted July 21, 2016 Share Posted July 21, 2016 Is there any evidence the Death Eagles started with a black livery? They could have adopted this color in mourning later on, like the Order of the Fiery Heart when they renamed themselves the Order of Our Martyred Lady upon Katherine's murder. The reason could be anything. According to lexicanum.com, they took part in the extermination of eleven chapters during the War of the False Primarch alongside four other chapters in the purge strike force. Perhaps one of the deleted chapters was one they cherished as close brothers and they took the black of mourning after murdering them... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/324089-sons-of-antaeus/#findComment-4448038 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareddm Posted July 21, 2016 Share Posted July 21, 2016 Is there any evidence the Death Eagles started with a black livery? They could have adopted this color in mourning later on, like the Order of the Fiery Heart when they renamed themselves the Order of Our Martyred Lady upon Katherine's murder. The reason could be anything. According to lexicanum.com, they took part in the extermination of eleven chapters during the War of the False Primarch alongside four other chapters in the purge strike force. Perhaps one of the deleted chapters was one they cherished as close brothers and they took the black of mourning after murdering them... It's particularly interesting that you mention the black livery, as HH4: Conquest holds them up as an example of a Blackshield loyalist warband during the Heresy who purposefully did not deface their original legion colors, and instead "wore the purple and gold of their parent legion with pride, refusing to abandon their heraldry." But we know at some point they did change. The War of the False Primarch theory is pretty nice and could certainly be valid. My alternative theory is given the nature of the other chapters called forth to form the Pentarchy of Blood, the Death Eagles would've already had to have been known as a fairly brutal and callous chapter. It's possible that whatever harshness or bitterness the Death Eagles developed, occurred before the War of the False Primarch, to have instilled the rest of the Imperium with this as their reputation. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/324089-sons-of-antaeus/#findComment-4448058 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackalwolf Posted July 21, 2016 Author Share Posted July 21, 2016 Hey man, since you seem to be a great lore source. Do you have any knowledge of sons of horus loyalist successor chapters? I seem to always fall in love with the niche of a niche, and loyalist SoH and EC attract me the most. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/324089-sons-of-antaeus/#findComment-4448073 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareddm Posted July 21, 2016 Share Posted July 21, 2016 Ooh...loyalist Sons of Horus is a tricky one, as I'd imagine that they would be the most thorough in purging evidence and hiding their tracks. Nothing comes to mind, at least not pre-Heresy. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/324089-sons-of-antaeus/#findComment-4448087 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knight of the Raven Posted July 21, 2016 Share Posted July 21, 2016 as I'd imagine that they would be the most thorough in purging evidence and hiding their tracks. And from both sides of the Long War at that! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/324089-sons-of-antaeus/#findComment-4448132 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted July 21, 2016 Share Posted July 21, 2016 Maybe theyre a Loyalist EC/DG fusion chapter whose progenitors rallied together during the Heresy under the banner of Antaeus? I like that idea just because the thought of EC and DG having to work together would lead to some interesting drama. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/324089-sons-of-antaeus/#findComment-4448258 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Aiwass Posted July 22, 2016 Share Posted July 22, 2016 About the name... Nothing a bit of Latin can't clean: Mortem Aquilae! How about Nex Aquilae? What would be incorrect but I like it more, is Aquila Nex. But that's personal preference :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/324089-sons-of-antaeus/#findComment-4448297 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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