Dark Medjay

[Minigiant]

-= Dark Medjai =-

-=Origin =-

A Brother of the Dark Medjai COMING SOON

In all of wisdom and from all his visions Magnus the Red, Primarch of the Thousand Sons, knew that he could not just search for the knowledge of the warp, of the planes beyond the physical. For there exists a balance, for every physical action, there is an equal and opposite spiritual one. It was for this reason that he assigned a small squad of Sons, led by the Athanaean Consul Sutah, to understanding of the diverse military tactics, techniques, and strategy, that inhabit the galaxy; In order that one day, when he has risen to the rank of Praetor he may better the Thousand Sons in the Art of War.

Through hard study, Sutah eventually became known as an expert in military understanding, and for that Magnus promoted Sutah to the rank of Praetor and assigned him his fellowship. This promotion was not without cause, because with immediate effect Sutah was assigned to expand the region of his research into the far reaches of the galaxy and gifted with the Mark of Khufu to guide and protect him on his long journey.

It was not long before Sutah found himself daunted by the task that lay ahead of him. Without the resources or the man power it was an insurmountable task for his current methodology of study. Without permission of his Primarch, Sutah reorganised his fellowship. Units would be formed based upon research area, ranging from manufacturing, economics, and medicine to name a few, alongside a few for protection. From there these units were fired out all over the outer rim, each assigned their own planet. Using telepathy they were able to not only coordinate themselves over long distance but also compare and contrast their findings.

Sutah’s reports began to make their way to Prospero, and made for interesting reading. They were beginning to understand how the dreaded [XENOS NAME] were able to vanish in an instant. How the [XENOS NAME] would kill without leaving a mark. The [XENOS NAME], that had caused so much trouble, being able to make any object radioactively unstable, required such a simple solution. Sutah was on the brink of revolutionising Legion military doctrine.
What happened to Sutah and the lost fellowship, no one really knows. It was not long after Magnus’s promotion to daemonhood did the reports stop.

-= Founding =-

The precise founding in which the Dark Medjay were created is largely unknown, with their history locked away within the vast libraries of their fortress monastary. What is known is that their first confirmed reports sighted them in M36, though other reports have suggested this could have been far earlier. These unconfirmed reports are all circumstantial and hazy, however they all refer to a chapter symbol that could be describing the Mark of Khufu, the Dark Medjay chapter symbol. As a result, the Astartes of the Chapter know absolutely nothing about their origins, including having no knowledge of their primogenitor legion or primarch. This absence of information about a Primarch has resulted in the Dark Medjay focusing their spiritual reverence on the Emperor.

From any onlooker the Dark Medjay’s modus operandi is clearly quite different from that of the bulk of the Adeptus Astartes. The Dark Medjay spends an enormous effort on learning, particularly of military matters. Because of this, the chapter's main pursuit is perfecting the fusion between science, the art of war and military technology.

-= Home World =-

Aegyptos, the homewold of the Dark Medjay in ancient tongue means ‘the House of the Spirit of the Emperor’. The vast cities that make up the planet are situated in lush grassland with rich, dark soil thanks to the complex network or rivers and deltas that cut through land. In the wilderness huge sand dunes twist and change in the wind on a whim, many a person has been lost as they attempt the great journey between cities. There are those however that make a life within those harsh climates, known as the Suda. The Suda are nomadic, constantly navigating the sand dunes to bring their cattle to pasture.

Gizeh is the largest city on the planet, and location of the Dark Medjays fortress monastery, Xois. Xois is an array of giant pyramids, the size that can be seen from space. No outsider has ever been known to have entered but, it is known that it comprises of a thousand libraries. It is not uncommon to hear in the streets of Gizeh locals exaggeratingly saying their libraries rival that of the Black Library, and the great library of Alexandria; an ancient long lost library of the imperium.

Before the Adeptus Astartes made this planet home it is believed that, monsters once ruled the world, preying on the people, feeding on their terror and their suffering. Seeking deliverance from this realm of chaos and darkness, the people prayed to the gods. To answer their prayers, a pharaoh- "pillar of heaven," a term describing gods who fought against chaos and darkness- descended to this world and wrapped himself in mortal skin, to serve as king and bring peace. The pharaoh told the people their own sins created the monsters, allowing chaos and darkness to plague the world; to prevent this, they must learn the ways of heaven, allowing the people to free themselves from sin. The god-king brought warriors from the Medjay- "beyond the stars," a term describing the heavenly realm the warriors resided in, and later, the warriors themselves- to protect his mortal form from the monsters.

Despite the pharaoh's best efforts, the people of Aegyptos failed to learn from the god-king; they chose to continue sinning, warring against each another, spreading chaos, and living in darkness. In anger and disgust, the pharaoh shed his mortal skin and returned to heaven, taking the Medjay with him; with their departure, the monsters reclaimed the world, and the people's suffering returned tenfold.

When the Astartes came to Aegyptos, they exterminated the man-eating beasts, preventing any interference with their work in building a base of operations. The planet's inhabitants hailed them as saviors for this; thinking the Marines came from a heavenly realm, they named the new arrivals "Dark Medjay" for the Marines' dark armour.

-= Beliefs =-

The people of Aegyptos believe in the six guardians of Aegyptos. It is an old story often taught to children, to teach them of the creation of their home. The story goes that before mankind walked upon the surface the Emperor walked what is known today as the horn of Aegyptos. On his journey it first came across, Bastet, a puma that had pounced as if to attack but did not strike for it was afraid. The emperor gave Bastet courage and went on his way. It was not long before he spotted Anubis on his journey, a Jackal that could not catch his dinner. So the emperor gave Anubis cunning and went on his way. The emperor went on his way, walking day and night. Eventually he came across Horus, a hawk who was not fast enough to catch his prey. The emperor gave Horus foresight so he could think faster than his prey and went on his way. The emperor next came across a river, as he crossed Sobek a mighty crocodile would snap at him but every blow would be misjudged and they missed. Wading out of the river the emperor gifted the crocodiles with judgement and went on his way. Next he met Apophis, a mighty cobra who’s young were unwell, the emperor taught Apophis how to heal, and went on his way. Finally the emperor met Apis, a large bull who was not able to keep his family out of the baking hot sun. So the emperor built a shelter with him, teaching him he can build shelter wherever he may be, and went on his way.

-= Organisation =-

While the nominal fighting strength of the chapter is kept at the Codex-approved 1,000 marines, the [CHAPTER NAME] do not appear to use the Codex's Company structure, instead basing their organisation around that of the simple 10-marine squad.

Each squad, named after its first-ever squad leader, is treated as an individual tactical formation held equal in placement in the line of battle with almost all of the other chapter units. Only those squads referred to as the [NAME] are seen as elite, and even then the [NAME] do not properly represent a pooling of veteran Marines. This is due to the way in which the Iron Snakes field their new recruits. Neophytes, do not appear to take to the field solely as Scouts; instead they often seen fighting in preparation in becoming full Brothers. Casualty replacements in the [NAME] are incorporated in the same way as in other squads, which means that the [NAME] are just as likely to have new recruits in their ranks as they are to have hardened veteran marines. Of course, the recruits that are selected to a place in a [NAME] squad are likely to be the best of their generation.

When a squad is completely wiped out, it is reconstituted under the original name, with its new squad-leader being promoted from the ranks of the elder and more veteran Battle-Brothers of the other squads. Each squad-leader is expected to eventually nominate a successor from within his squad, who will be chosen to accompany him to officer-level briefings and take over command in the event of his death. This Brother will likely remain tied to his squad until his own death; as such 'seconds' are not promoted out to command other squads. Each squad will also contain a standard-bearer, who fixes the squad colours to a special mounting upon his armour, and a pair of support weapon troopers. The [NAME] squads also appear to customarily/ceremonially include both a marine trained in the use of a servo-arm and an Apothecary as one of their number, and such specialist Marines are a common feature of other squads as well; the number of trainee techmarines and field-Apothecaries in the [CHAPTER NAME] appears likely to be higher than that of a Codex chapter.

-= Recruitment =-

Erasus, on 27 Jul 2016 - 10:12 PM, said:

6) each Aspirant's rite of initiation is a journey that leaves a lot to the Aspirant's own decision making, afterwards his armour is adorned with symbols and references to those decisions, showing to his brothers who he is, based on his actions and method of approach to a problem.

-= Combat Doctrines =-

Dark Medjai are frequently divided into elite Kill-teams comprised of marines from many specialties. It is not uncommon for squads to comprise of Techmarines, Apothecaries, and Scouts. Whatever is required to get the job done with minimal investment. This is achieved through the micro military management of those in command.

-= Early History =-

-= Notable Brothers =-

-= Brother =-

-= Brother =-

-= Notable Engagements =-

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Hello everyone I am looking at trying to incorporate the Egyptian Medjay as a culture into an Index Astartes I am trying to write

This is because I am using

These heads:

http://puppetswar.eu/img/p/99-309-large.jpg

These Torsos

http://wargameexclusive.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/268x268xP3100216-268x268.jpg.pagespeed.ic.-0aik6RSI5.jpg

These Shoulder Pads

http://wargameexclusive.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/268x268xP3100190s-268x268.jpg.pagespeed.ic.4gTlXGEVZH.jpg

Now I need help because for some reason I am hitting a dead end as to ideas as how to include them

Then a reason as to why they decorate their armour with hieroglyphics?

Overall just seems like a hard culture to incorporate

[Captain Titus]

Most chapters are influenced in some way by their home world, as this is where the draw their recruits who have grown up with that culture. A simple way to incorporate this style into an IA is to make your home world similar to Ancient Egypt.

[Kelborn]

Thousand Sons blackshield force consisting of non psykers?

Not all members of the XV Legion were psykers and in HH Retribution, some 1K Sons were mentioned as being rumors.

 

Or they could have been adopted by the Khan like Arvuel.

 

Culture should not be a problem. Just create an egyptian themed system and voila. :)

[Minigiant]

Most chapters are influenced in some way by their home world, as this is where the draw their recruits who have grown up with that culture. A simple way to incorporate this style into an IA is to make your home world similar to Ancient Egypt.

Yep I know that but why would they decorate their armour? Why are Heiroglyphs allowed by the Imperium? What do the animal heads represent?

[Minigiant]

Thousand Sons blackshield force consisting of non psykers?

Not all members of the XV Legion were psykers and in HH Retribution, some 1K Sons were mentioned as being rumors.

 

Or they could have been adopted by the Khan like Arvuel.

 

Culture should not be a problem. Just create an egyptian themed system and voila. :)

Could Blackshields possibly be assigned as a Training Cadre? Dont know enough about blackshields

 

Arvuel? I am not following sorry

[Kelborn]

Why not?

 

We got the Carcharodons with polynesian tattoos on their armor and other chapters with highly decorated stuff.

 

Space Wolves got runed and nobody cares.

 

Heads could represent companies or tactical roles.

[Erasus]

Are there any details besides the armour that you want to include?

 

We could all volunteer ideas but I'd rather know the direction you want us to go in?

 

Do they have a preferred combat style?

Do you care where the culture comes from?

Do you care about geneseed?

 

Let us know, and I'm sure we'll come up with loads of good ideas for you

[Minigiant]

Are there any details besides the armour that you want to include?

 

We could all volunteer ideas but I'd rather know the direction you want us to go in?

 

Do they have a preferred combat style?

Do you care where the culture comes from?

Do you care about geneseed?

 

Let us know, and I'm sure we'll come up with loads of good ideas for you

 

Honestly I was trying to stay away from sharing that because as soon as I say it, this will go off course. I want them to have a Kill team style combat style. I approached the subject once: http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319603-black-hawks-reasonablekill-team-chapter/

 

Dont care about where the culture comes from or geneseed

 

Are their any DIY examples of chapters training cadre being Blackshields?

[Erasus]

Ah yeah, we have personally debated this subject many times in the past. We'll agree to disagree and move past it here

[Minigiant]

Thank you @Erasus that has given me some really good ideas, so bear with me as here goes a skeleton of the chapter

 

Origin

 

Non-Psyker Thousand Son Blackshields are chased accross the galaxy, and have to resort to sending out small elite teams to try prove their loyalty and save themselves from death

 

Founding

 

Surviving Blackshields as training cadre for new chapter, what founding?

 

Homeworld

 

Chapter takes on the role of Egyptians and Pharoah with local population the Israelite's

 

Recruitment

 

Civilians submit themselves to the public games if they pass the initial screening  they take part (Think Gladiator). The survivors story of victory is written in heiroglyphs over their eventual armour

 

Organisation

 

Are trained in squads

 

Battle Doctrine

 

Kill team

 

Beliefs

 

(Tie in more Egyptian references)

 

Gene-seed

 

Doesnt matter at the moment

[Kelborn]

 

Could Blackshields possibly be assigned as a Training Cadre? Dont know enough about blackshields

 

Arvuel? I am not following sorry

 

 

Ooooh my friend. Embrace the probably best thing Forge World ever did: the Blackshields

 

http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Blackshield

 

Oh sorry, my fault. I mean Revuel Arvida. ^^

http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Revuel_Arvida

 

 

Honestly I was trying to stay away from sharing that because as soon as I say it, this will go off course. I want them to have a Kill team style combat style. I approached the subject once: http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319603-black-hawks-reasonablekill-team-chapter/

 

Dont care about where the culture comes from or geneseed

 

Are their any DIY examples of chapters training cadre being Blackshields?

 

 

So there was a problem concerning a kill team based chapter

 

What about the Mentors?

http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Mentors

They are basically the same theme. Small units across the Imperium, training and leading other forces.

 

You can use their organisation as a basement for your egyptian chapter.

 

Though I like your idea, I don't think (and that is only my personal pov) that the heads would be a good thing to go with.

 

Don't get me wrong, they're looking pure awesome. But I fear that they just look way too much like Jaffa helmets from Stargate.

https://www.google.de/search?q=jaffa+helmet&biw=1256&bih=843&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&sqi=2&ved=0ahUKEwjU0q7d05TOAhWjJ5oKHQn7DyEQ_AUIBigB&dpr=0.8

 

Besides that, I'm excited to see what you will do with your new chapter as you got some feedback now to work with. :)

[Minigiant]

Thank you Kelborn

 

Does anyone have any links to Index Astartes that had Blackshields train/found the chapter? Would love to read how others have done it

[Kelborn]

Hm... can't remember an Index Astartes article. Just a couple of DIY projects in the Age of Darkness subforum.

 

if you can wait until tomorrow, you will have my Phantom Blades chapter as an example. They as well are a Blackshields origin chapter.

As I got some spare time tomorrow, I will likely be able to finally finish and upload them in here:

 

http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323932-the-dominion-of-storms-by-kelborn/

[Bjorn Firewalker]

Considering the expense, I think you should reserve the animal-head helmets for specialists in your Chapter, instead of general issue. Examples:

 

The lion's head symbolizes courage; the Company Champions embody this virtue, and are allowed to wear them.

 

The jackal's head symbolizes cunning; Sternguard and/or Vanguard Veteran Sergeants wear them.

 

The hawk's head symbolizes foresight; Librarians wear them.

 

The crocodile's head symbolizes judgment, for a crocodile-headed monster judges the dead in the Chapter planet's myths; Chaplains wear them.

 

The cobra's head symbolizes healing (see the Rod of Asclepius- admittedly from Greek mythology, but storytellers do travel, passing their native myths to other nations, as the Ramayana demonstrates); Apothecaries wear them.

 

The cattle's head symbolizes industry; Techmarines wear them.

[Minigiant]

Thank you again everyone

 

Unfortunately I am still struggling to understand, how can Thousand Son Black Shields be allowed to survive let alone establish a new chapter?

 

What founding would it be? Would they have enough to be a 2nd founding, with future gene-seed being from another chapter. Or are they 3rd with numbers low enough to just be a training cadre

[Minigiant]

-= Dark Medjai =-

 

-=Origin =-

A Brother of the Dark Medjai

 

Praetor Sutah had only recently been promoted when Magnus assigned him his personal objective. Having been promoted for his expert study into military tactics, strategy, and technique, of the XVth legion. It was for that reason that his fellowship was hand selected by Magnus the Red to head up a special research operation furthest reaches of the galaxy, in regions that have  rarely felt the light of the Astronomicon. His mission was to document and study the vast range of military tactics, strategy, and technique used by those inhabiting the stars. For his journey Magnus personally embelished Sutah's armour with the mark of Khufu, an ancient ward given to distant travelers.

 

The vast space in which [NAME] had to search, study, and document left even his sizable force spread relatively thin. It meant to achieve his task he would send out small squads to infiltrate and study from the shadows.

 

Reports began to come in, Magnus had began learning of the space, he knew the Emperor would eventually want to expand into.

 

But as soon as Prospero fell, the reports went quite. Praetor [NAME] and his chapter was assumed lost or destroyed

 

-= Founding =-

 

Little is known of the Dark Medjay before their first sightings on the battlefield. At first, in [DATE], reports began to surface of sighting of white marbled armoured astartes bearing the mark of Khufu as their chapter symbol appearing in elite squads on the battlefield. The first reports mention them only standing as shadows in the distance, as they watched the death from a far. As reports began to build, some spoke of them performing covert operations that would divert the course of war in favour of the emperor. It was not until [DATE] did.....

 

someone finds the Dark Medjay homeworld etc

 

-= Home World =-

 

Fortress Monastary = Gizeh

 

In Memphis legends, monsters once ruled the world, preying on the people, feeding on their terror and their suffering. Seeking deliverance from this realm of chaos and darkness, the people prayed to the gods. To answer their prayers, a pharaoh- "pillar of heaven," a term describing gods who fought against chaos and darkness- descended to this world and wrapped himself in mortal skin, to serve as king and bring peace. The pharaoh told the people their own sins created the monsters, allowing chaos and darkness to plague the world; to prevent this, they must learn the ways of heaven, allowing the people to free themselves from sin. The god-king brought warriors from the Medjay- "beyond the stars," a term describing the heavenly realm the warriors resided in, and later, the warriors themselves- to protect his mortal form from the monsters.

 

Despite the pharaoh's best efforts, the people of Memphis failed to learn from the god-king; they chose to continue sinning, warring against each another, spreading chaos, and living in darkness. In anger and disgust, the pharaoh shed his mortal skin and returned to heaven, taking the Medjay with him; with their departure, the monsters reclaimed the world, and the people's suffering returned tenfold.

 

When the Marines came to Memphis, they exterminated the man-eating beasts, preventing any interference with their work in building a base of operations. The planet's inhabitants hailed them as saviors for this; thinking the Marines came from a heavenly realm, they named the new arrivals "Dark Medjay" for the Marines' dark armor.

 

 

 

-= Beliefs =-

 

Considering the expense, I think you should reserve the animal-head helmets for specialists in your Chapter, instead of general issue. Examples:

 

The lion's head symbolizes courage; the Company Champions embody this virtue, and are allowed to wear them.

 

The jackal's head symbolizes cunning; Sternguard and/or Vanguard Veteran Sergeants wear them.

 

The hawk's head symbolizes foresight; Librarians wear them.

 

The crocodile's head symbolizes judgment, for a crocodile-headed monster judges the dead in the Chapter planet's myths; Chaplains wear them.

 

The cobra's head symbolizes healing (see the Rod of Asclepius- admittedly from Greek mythology, but storytellers do travel, passing their native myths to other nations, as the Ramayana demonstrates); Apothecaries wear them.

 

The cattle's head symbolizes industry; Techmarines wear them.

 

 

-= Organisation =-

 

[Mentors Legion esq]

 

-= Recruitment =-

 

6) each Aspirant's rite of initiation is a journey that leaves a lot to the Aspirant's own decision making, afterwards his armour is adorned with symbols and references to those decisions, showing to his brothers who he is, based on his actions and method of approach to a problem.
 

 

 

-= Combat Doctrines =-

 

Dark Medjai are frequently divided into elite Kill-teams comprised of marines from many specialties. It is not uncommon for squads to comprise of Techmarines, Apothecaries, and Scouts. Whatever is required to get the job done with minimal investment. This is achieved through the micro military management of those in command.

 

-= Early History =-

 

-= Notable Brothers =-

 

-=  Brother =-

 

-= Brother =-

 

-= Notable Engagements =-

 

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[Kelborn]

They survived because no one knew that they are of traitor Legion origin.

 

Just take some time and read the blackshied article. Most of your questions will be answered. At least I hope so.

[Minigiant]

They survived because no one knew that they are of traitor Legion origin.

 

 

Then how did they become a chapter, because by becoming blackshields they have cast off someone. They could not exactly say they are Ultramarines

Then if they had their Gene-seed tested they would be toast

 

I have attempted to write stories on here before that get torn apart by questions like these, asking them before I am asked them.

 

I also dont fully understand how chapters were formed posted heresy e.g 2nd founding. Later foundings are easier

[Bjorn Firewalker]

 

They survived because no one knew that they are of traitor Legion origin.

 

 

Then how did they become a chapter, because by becoming blackshields they have cast off someone. They could not exactly say they are Ultramarines

Then if they had their Gene-seed tested they would be toast

 

I have attempted to write stories on here before that get torn apart by questions like these, asking them before I am asked them.

 

I also dont fully understand how chapters were formed posted heresy e.g 2nd founding. Later foundings are easier

 

They can survive if they have powerful patrons/protectors who feel their skills are too useful to allow the Sons of Medjay to be executed for treason they didn't commit. See the Silver Skulls (Iron Warriors loyalists who Roboute Guilliman employed to defend Macragge during the Horus Heresy- afterwards, they were declared an Ultramarines descendant).

 

The challenge for you is to identify a loyalist patron/protector for the Thousand Sons loyalists who became the Sons of Medjay, and specify WHY this patron chose to do so, i.e., what skills do the Sons of Medjay have, that the patron would risk execution for treason by association, in order to employ the Sons of Medjay? As tempting as it is to name Dorn (he has a rivalry with Guilliman, which turned bitter when the latter proposed dividing the Space Marine Legions into Chapters, leading to Imperial Navy ships opening fire on an Imperial Fists strike cruiser), Dorn was too busy defending Terra during the Heresy, and unlikely to find the time to recruit Thousand Sons loyalists. Jaghatai Khan is one possibility (he considered Magnus a friend, spoke IN FAVOR of Librarians at the Council of Nikaea, and delayed his arrival at Terra because he felt his time was better spent launching hit-and-run attacks on Horus' forces). Others are possible, if your writing skills are sufficient to make your choices plausible.

[Minigiant]

Thank you Bjorn Firewalker that is really helpful

 

Okay so I have attempted to write a step by step timeline

• Magnus deploys chapter of legionaries to study and learn the fighting techniques and prowess across the galaxy
• Led by [NAME], they successfully study the [Fill in blank], [Fill in blank], and [Fill in blank]
• When it came to the [RACE] study proved incredibly difficult due to their stealth and covertness
• Alpharius offers assistance for the Alpha Legion would like to learn the ways of [RACE]
• With mixed squads, study begins
• They learn of the Heresy
• Internal fighting
• Pro-emperor win
• Scorch off heraldry
• Flee to [PLANET] and set up base of operations to fight against the heresy
• Located on the planet in the region known as Medjay, local inhabitants start to refer to them as the Dark Medjai
• Operations begin to take heavy losses
• Left unable to fight conventional warfare
• Resort to Alpha legion fighting combined with lesson of [RACE], and
• Raven Guard reports start mentioning Blackshield Kill teams
• Due to Dropsite Massacre, Raven Guard find the assistance helpful, allowing them to concentrate forces, and leaving small missions to the Blackshields
• Blackshield kill teams finally prove their worth on [PLANET], proving crucial to the slaying of X in the last days of the heresy
• Heresy comes to an end
• Corax declares the Dark Medjai a Raven Guard descendant

 

Thoughts?

[Doctor Perils]

This could be quite cool :) There's actually already a canon example of loyalist ex-Thousand Sons: Blood Ravens :P okay, technically this isn't official, but who still doubts the Magpies are sons of Magnus?

 

Now, what are the Medjay for you? According to Wikipedia, they were a people used as scouts by the egyptians, so that could be a cool starting point (it doesn't seem to contradict your original ideas) :)

 

 

 

They can survive if they have powerful patrons/protectors who feel their skills are too useful to allow the Sons of Medjay to be executed for treason they didn't commit. See the Silver Skulls (Iron Warriors loyalists who Roboute Guilliman employed to defend Macragge during the Horus Heresy- afterwards, they were declared an Ultramarines descendant).

 

The challenge for you is to identify a loyalist patron/protector for the Thousand Sons loyalists who became the Sons of Medjay, and specify WHY this patron chose to do so, i.e., what skills do the Sons of Medjay have, that the patron would risk execution for treason by association, in order to employ the Sons of Medjay? As tempting as it is to name Dorn (he has a rivalry with Guilliman, which turned bitter when the latter proposed dividing the Space Marine Legions into Chapters, leading to Imperial Navy ships opening fire on an Imperial Fists strike cruiser), Dorn was too busy defending Terra during the Heresy, and unlikely to find the time to recruit Thousand Sons loyalists. Jaghatai Khan is one possibility (he considered Magnus a friend, spoke IN FAVOR of Librarians at the Council of Nikaea, and delayed his arrival at Terra because he felt his time was better spent launching hit-and-run attacks on Horus' forces). Others are possible, if your writing skills are sufficient to make your choices plausible.

 

I've never been convinced by the Silver Skulls being Iron Warriors, it just seems too easy. But that's by the by.

 

I don't believe you do need a primarch-patron: after all, Carcharadons (and probably Blood Ravens) fell away from the view of mankind for several millenia, a force of Thousand Sons, scouting far from the Legion in search of mysterious arcana in the far reaches of the galaxy would be very plausible.

 

The main problem I see with Primarch-Patrons is that it's waaay too easy for Black Library to destroy whole sections of your fluff, simply by ignoring it's very existence. It's hard to maintain credibility about your guys becoming best pals with the Raven Guard and doing stuff together, when canon stories simply plough on with the main fluff, showing the Raven Guard at another end of the Galaxy doing something completely different.

 

 

 

I don't know that the Alpha Legion sound that useful in the timeline your provided? It sounds like they are only there to justify your guys operating in kill teams...

[Minigiant]

This could be quite cool There's actually already a canon example of loyalist ex-Thousand Sons: Blood Ravens okay, technically this isn't official, but who still doubts the Magpies are sons of Magnus?

Now, what are the Medjay for you? According to Wikipedia, they were a people used as scouts by the egyptians, so that could be a cool starting point (it doesn't seem to contradict your original ideas)

Yep the term Medjay began as a term for describing Soldiers from a particular region (I believe Sudan), that were used as scouts for the Pharoahs armies. Later the term began broader (including those not from Sudan) and was used to describe the protectors of the Pharoah

Now think this transitions quite well when you simply replace Pharoah with Emperor

I don't believe you do need a primarch-patron: after all, Carcharadons (and probably Blood Ravens) fell away from the view of mankind for several millenia, a force of Thousand Sons, scouting far from the Legion in search of mysterious arcana in the far reaches of the galaxy would be very plausible.

While I think the distance thing could work, I dont think mysterious arcana does. Unless there is a way mysterious arcana can transition to kill team? At the moment I see in the pursuit of the study of military techniques and strategy. Can lead to them resorting to using the knowledge

The main problem I see with Primarch-Patrons is that it's waaay too easy for Black Library to destroy whole sections of your fluff, simply by ignoring it's very existence. It's hard to maintain credibility about your guys becoming best pals with the Raven Guard and doing stuff together, when canon stories simply plough on with the main fluff, showing the Raven Guard at another end of the Galaxy doing something completely different.

I don't know that the Alpha Legion sound that useful in the timeline your provided? It sounds like they are only there to justify your guys operating in kill teams...

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The Alpha Legion are there simply for that. Now this is based on the idea of study marines. Is their study enough to turn to Kill teams, Stealth, Infiltration etc?

Is there another way of doing this? My creativity and writing skills are not good enough for this it seems

[Bjorn Firewalker]

Magnus deploys chapter of legionaries to study and learn the fighting techniques and prowess across the galaxy

 

As the Thousand Sons will turn to Tzeentch, it makes sense Magnus would want the future Dark Medjay to study Khorne, Nurgle, and Slaanesh's ways- the better to fight them. (Magnus may not be consciously aware he's doing so- he remained an unwitting pawn of Tzeentch until the EPIC FAILure that was his attempt to war the Emperor of Horus' treachery.) So the Dark Medjay would be seconded to Legions with tactics similar to the World Eaters, Death Guard, and Emperor's Children. (They do not necessarily have to be the World Eaters, Death Guard, and Emperor's Children themselves. Sigismund, Imperial Fist and future Black Templars High Marshal, was known for adopting the World Eaters' ways, e.g., chaining his weapons to himself. I'm sure you can find other examples, e.g., an Ultramarines Captain who's as obsessed with perfection as an Emperor's Children. Feel free to create one yourself, if you can't find a suitable example.)

 

Flee to [PLANET] and set up base of operations to fight against the heresy

 

Please specify what operations the Dark Medjay were executing, what were the operations' goals, and why they suffered heavy losses during the operations.

Located on the planet in the region known as Medjay, local inhabitants start to refer to them as the Dark Medjai

I understand the name's origins, but I think it makes more sense if the "Medjay" are figures from the Chapter planet's legends, comparable to the "dark angels" of Caliban myth. Maybe the "Medjay" is the locals' equivalent of the Knights of the Round Table, and the Thousand Sons loyalists adopted the term for themselves?

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Magnus deploys chapter of legionaries to study and learn the fighting techniques and prowess across the galaxy

 

As the Thousand Sons will turn to Tzeentch, it makes sense Magnus would want the future Dark Medjay to study Khorne, Nurgle, and Slaanesh's ways- the better to fight them. (Magnus may not be consciously aware he's doing so- he remained an unwitting pawn of Tzeentch until the EPIC FAILure that was his attempt to war the Emperor of Horus' treachery.) So the Dark Medjay would be seconded to Legions with tactics similar to the World Eaters, Death Guard, and Emperor's Children. (They do not necessarily have to be the World Eaters, Death Guard, and Emperor's Children themselves. Sigismund, Imperial Fist and future Black Templars High Marshal, was known for adopting the World Eaters' ways, e.g., chaining his weapons to himself. I'm sure you can find other examples, e.g., an Ultramarines Captain who's as obsessed with perfection as an Emperor's Children. Feel free to create one yourself, if you can't find a suitable example.

 

 

I am not sure I am following, how would this lead to them being Kill teams, It makes sense, I just dont understand how this fits into the bigger picture

 

 

Flee to [PLANET] and set up base of operations to fight against the heresy

 

Please specify what operations the Dark Medjay were executing, what were the operations' goals, and why they suffered heavy losses during the operations.

 

That timeline, I didnt think it would really mattered, I just needed them to lose numbers.

 

 

Located on the planet in the region known as Medjay, local inhabitants start to refer to them as the Dark Medjai

I understand the name's origins, but I think it makes more sense if the "Medjay" are figures from the Chapter planet's legends, comparable to the "dark angels" of Caliban myth. Maybe the "Medjay" is the locals' equivalent of the Knights of the Round Table, and the Thousand Sons loyalists adopted the term for themselves?

 

 

Makes sense. I am now thinking the Planet had ancient guardians called Medjay, they disappeared into history. When the Blackshields landed they used the ancient Medjay temple as their base

[Doctor Perils]

This could be quite cool There's actually already a canon example of loyalist ex-Thousand Sons: Blood Ravens okay, technically this isn't official, but who still doubts the Magpies are sons of Magnus?

Now, what are the Medjay for you? According to Wikipedia, they were a people used as scouts by the egyptians, so that could be a cool starting point (it doesn't seem to contradict your original ideas)

Yep the term Medjay began as a term for describing Soldiers from a particular region (I believe Sudan), that were used as scouts for the Pharoahs armies. Later the term began broader (including those not from Sudan) and was used to describe the protectors of the Pharoah

Now think this transitions quite well when you simply replace Pharoah with Emperor

Cool

I don't believe you do need a primarch-patron: after all, Carcharadons (and probably Blood Ravens) fell away from the view of mankind for several millenia, a force of Thousand Sons, scouting far from the Legion in search of mysterious arcana in the far reaches of the galaxy would be very plausible.

While I think the distance thing could work, I dont think mysterious arcana does. Unless there is a way mysterious arcana can transition to kill team? At the moment I see in the pursuit of the study of military techniques and strategy. Can lead to them resorting to using the knowledge

The "Mysterious Arcana" was just a possible explanation for a Thousand Sons fellowship to be sent away from Prospero. We know how the Thousand Sons like their Mysterious Arcana But if you prefer to keep it restricted to military tactics and strategy, that's fine too... Though Grand Admiral Thrawn might not agree

The main problem I see with Primarch-Patrons is that it's waaay too easy for Black Library to destroy whole sections of your fluff, simply by ignoring it's very existence. It's hard to maintain credibility about your guys becoming best pals with the Raven Guard and doing stuff together, when canon stories simply plough on with the main fluff, showing the Raven Guard at another end of the Galaxy doing something completely different.

I don't know that the Alpha Legion sound that useful in the timeline your provided? It sounds like they are only there to justify your guys operating in kill teams...

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The Alpha Legion are there simply for that. Now this is based on the idea of study marines. Is their study enough to turn to Kill teams, Stealth, Infiltration etc?

Is there another way of doing this? My creativity and writing skills are not good enough for this it seems

Well they can just gravitate around that idea naturally. If they are placed in the far reaches of the galaxy - beyond even the light of the Astronomicon at times - and want to study the thousands of xenos and human cultures that have sprung up in such isolation, they might just need to dispatch smaller, less specialised teams of marines on their own, and to function correctly they can develop their own infiltration/stealth tactics, that may or may not be linked in some way to psychic

Magnus deploys chapter of legionaries to study and learn the fighting techniques and prowess across the galaxy

As the Thousand Sons will turn to Tzeentch, it makes sense Magnus would want the future Dark Medjay to study Khorne, Nurgle, and Slaanesh's ways- the better to fight them. (Magnus may not be consciously aware he's doing so- he remained an unwitting pawn of Tzeentch until the EPIC FAILure that was his attempt to war the Emperor of Horus' treachery.) So the Dark Medjay would be seconded to Legions with tactics similar to the World Eaters, Death Guard, and Emperor's Children. (They do not necessarily have to be the World Eaters, Death Guard, and Emperor's Children themselves. Sigismund, Imperial Fist and future Black Templars High Marshal, was known for adopting the World Eaters' ways, e.g., chaining his weapons to himself. I'm sure you can find other examples, e.g., an Ultramarines Captain who's as obsessed with perfection as an Emperor's Children. Feel free to create one yourself, if you can't find a suitable example.)

While that could be possible and pretty cool, I'd find it pretty hard to justify them remaining loyal, personnally. However, it does open up possibilities of a rival Traitorous warband

Located on the planet in the region known as Medjay, local inhabitants start to refer to them as the Dark Medjai

I understand the name's origins, but I think it makes more sense if the "Medjay" are figures from the Chapter planet's legends, comparable to the "<a data-ipb="nomediaparse" data-cke-saved-href="http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Lion_El" href="http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Lion_El" jonson#arrival_of_the_emperor"="">dark angels" of Caliban myth. Maybe the "Medjay" is the locals' equivalent of the Knights of the Round Table, and the Thousand Sons loyalists adopted the term for themselves?

Except if "Medjay" is an ancient Prosperine term that was used by Magnus for this separate class of Fellowships, that were meant to study cultures and tactics of possible enemies...

Makes sense. I am now thinking the Planet had ancient guardians called Medjay, they disappeared into history. When the Blackshields landed they used the ancient Medjay temple as their base

Or that :)