Dark Medjay

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The main problem I see with Primarch-Patrons is that it's waaay too easy for Black Library to destroy whole sections of your fluff, simply by ignoring it's very existence. It's hard to maintain credibility about your guys becoming best pals with the Raven Guard and doing stuff together, when canon stories simply plough on with the main fluff, showing the Raven Guard at another end of the Galaxy doing something completely different.

 

 

I don't know that the Alpha Legion sound that useful in the timeline your provided? It sounds like they are only there to justify your guys operating in kill teams...

 

I follow you here

 

The Alpha Legion are there simply for that. Now this is based on the idea of study marines. Is their study enough to turn to Kill teams, Stealth, Infiltration etc?

 

Is there another way of doing this? My creativity and writing skills are not good enough for this it seems

 

Well they can just gravitate around that idea naturally. If they are placed in the far reaches of the galaxy - beyond even the light of the Astronomicon at times - and want to study the thousands of xenos and human cultures that have sprung up in such isolation, they might just need to dispatch smaller, less specialised teams of marines on their own, and to function correctly they can develop their own infiltration/stealth tactics, that may or may not be linked in some way to psychic

 

 

 

Now I like this, but for arguement sake lets say they basically missed the entire heresy, they return, how would they go about 'reintroducing' themselves. Or should they learn of the heresy, change heraldry, establish themselves. Then refuse to give up their gene-seed for sampling

[Doctor Perils]

 

Now I like this, but for arguement sake lets say they basically missed the entire heresy, they return, how would they go about 'reintroducing' themselves. Or should they learn of the heresy, change heraldry, establish themselves. Then refuse to give up their gene-seed for sampling

 

Do they really need "reintroducing"? I bet a good quarter of canon chapters "have unknown origins", and no-one breaks a sweat (or whatever the expression should be). Now, the way it is done by Games Workshop is usually quite lazy, but generally the Imperium is deep in grox-waste, so they don't question chapters who pop out of nowhere to give them a hand overmuch.

 

Look at the Carcharadons: no one knew about their existence, then suddenly they appear coming back from the fringes of the galaxy, beating heretic ar** around. Now, the Imperium does actually fear the Carcharadons to an extent, but that's mainly because they're barbaric bloodthirsty psychopaths, not because they are of an unknown provenance.

 

If a Chapter doesn't present any signs of obvious HERESY and point their bolters in the right direction, there isn't too much of an uproar. And I don't think it is actually possible to tell geneseed appart that much, otherwise the likes of the Magpies and Minotaurs might be in trouble... Soul Drinker spoilers:

 

Even the Soul Drinkers, a loyalist chapter freely giving up their genetithes, only just discovered that they weren't actually Imperial Fists descendents

 

[Kelborn]

Exactly this.

 

Nobody needs to know their heritage as long as they are killing traitors. The Imperium got more important things to do than research their origin.

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Thats all really helpful, thank you. I guess I am just struggling in knowing how to write it; maintaining their mystery, yet not just shouting THEY ARE THOUSAND SONS

[Doctor Perils]

Thats all really helpful, thank you. I guess I am just struggling in knowing how to write it; maintaining their mystery, yet not just shouting THEY ARE THOUSAND SONS

Yup, I can imagine that being problematic ^^ I get the impression you're going to be playing up the the kill-team and stealth aspects, rather then psykers, so you should be able to get away with it :)

[Kelborn]

Don't want to sound selfish but maybe my Phantom Bades might help you.

I've uploaded them yesterday. You need to tell me if it is good and if you have a clue from which Legion they derived from. There are some tiny hints but nothing that screams: I AM (insert Legion)

[Bjorn Firewalker]

Magnus deploys chapter of legionaries to study and learn the fighting techniques and prowess across the galaxy

 

As the Thousand Sons will turn to Tzeentch, it makes sense Magnus would want the future Dark Medjay to study Khorne, Nurgle, and Slaanesh's ways- the better to fight them. (Magnus may not be consciously aware he's doing so- he remained an unwitting pawn of Tzeentch until the EPIC FAILure that was his attempt to war the Emperor of Horus' treachery.) So the Dark Medjay would be seconded to Legions with tactics similar to the World Eaters, Death Guard, and Emperor's Children. (They do not necessarily have to be the World Eaters, Death Guard, and Emperor's Children themselves. Sigismund, Imperial Fist and future Black Templars High Marshal, was known for adopting the World Eaters' ways, e.g., chaining his weapons to himself. I'm sure you can find other examples, e.g., an Ultramarines Captain who's as obsessed with perfection as an Emperor's Children. Feel free to create one yourself, if you can't find a suitable example.

 

I am not sure I am following, how would this lead to them being Kill teams, It makes sense, I just dont understand how this fits into the bigger picture

1) This explains why Magnus would risk his sons becoming distant from him, and falling out of his guiding influence (control), without making the Medjay seem like troublemakers (bad Marines) he wants to keep out-of-sight (see the troubled relations between Corvus Corax and the Raven Guard members who became the Carcharodons after the Heresy), or Magnus seem a stupid (and out-of-character) jackass who doesn't know what his own Marines are doing- the reward is well worth the risk.

 

2) This explains why the Medjay did NOT join Magnus in Tzeentch's service after the Scouring of Prospero- by learning of others' ways, they diminish Tzeentch's influence on them.

 

3) This keeps them in contact with other human forces (loyalists and/or traitors), minimizing the confusion they'd feel after the Scouring of Prospero (in contrast to what the future Blood Ravens felt when they lost contact with their Chapter planet), and forcing the Medjay to immediately choose sides, with [non-Medjay character of your choice] ordering them to "Join us or die!"

 

4) This allows you to diversify your Chapter, granting it capabilities beyond what a Thousand Sons descendant would have. You want master psykers, like the original Thousand Sons? Assault and close combat specialists (berserkers), like the World Eaters? Walking tanks, like the Death Guard? Your Marines studied others' ways; they know how to be what you want and need them to be.

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Here goes a rough idea, it pretty badly written but gives the gist. It is not mysterious of where the Dark Medjay comes from

 

-=Origin =-

 

Praetor [NAME] was considered one of the foremost experts in military tactics, strategy, and technique, of the XVth legion. It was for that reason that his chapter was hand selected by Magnus the Red to head up a special research operation far beyond the reaches of the galaxy, in regions that have never felt the light of the Astronomicon. His mission was to document and study the vast range of military tactics, strategy, and technique used by those inhabiting the stars. For his journey Magnus personally embelished [NAME]'s armour with the mark of Khufu, an ancient ward given to distant travelers.

 

The vast space in which [NAME] had to search, study, and document left even his sizable force spread relatively thin. It meant to achieve his task he would send out small squads to infiltrate and study from the shadows.

 

Reports began to come in, Magnus had began learning of the space, he knew the Emperor would eventually want to expand into.

 

But as soon as Prospero fell, the reports went quite. Praetor [NAME] and his chapter was assumed lost or destroyed

 

-= Founding =-

 

Little is known of the Dark Medjay before their first sightings on the battlefield. At first, in [DATE], reports began to surface of sighting of white marbled armoured astartes bearing the mark of Khufu as their chapter symbol appearing in elite squads on the battlefield. The first reports mention them only standing as shadows in the distance, as they watched the death from a far. As reports began to build, some spoke of them performing covert operations that would divert the course of war in favour of the emperor. It was not until [DATE] did.....

 

someone finds the Dark Medjay homeworld etc

[Bjorn Firewalker]

How about "Set" or "Sutah" as the Praetor's name? From Wikipedia:

 

In Egyptian mythology, Set is portrayed as the usurper who killed and mutilated his own brother Osiris. Osiris' wife Isis reassembled Osiris' corpse and resurrected him long enough to conceive his son and heir Horus. Horus sought revenge upon Set, and the myths describe their conflicts.

 

I'd like to know which cult the Praetor was a member of, assuming he had psychic powers.

 

The following line needs clarification:

 

[His] chapter was hand selected by Magnus the Red to head up a special research operation far beyond the reaches of the galaxy, in regions that have never felt the light of the Astronomicon. His mission was to document and study the vast range of military tactics, strategy, and technique used by those inhabiting the stars.

 

For all they knew, there was NOTHING beyond the reaches of the galaxy, and no inhabitants to assemble an army, engage in military conflicts, or use tactics, strategy, and technique. Did Magnus know better? If so, HOW did Magnus know better? Did Magnus' powers of prophecy warn him a threat would arise from beyond the reaches of the galaxy? Or did Tzeentch manipulate Magnus by giving the him a false prophecy, making the Primarch send the Praetor on a wild goose chase beyond the reaches of the galaxy, so the Praetor will be unable to interfere in the events of the Horus Heresy? (There is a precedent for this. See Magnus the Red manipulating Harek Ironhelm into sending the Space Wolves on a wild goose chase, allowing the Thousand Sons to attack a near-undefended Fenris.)

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I'd like to know which cult the Praetor was a member of, assuming he had psychic powers.

 

I was debating between Corvidae or Athanaeans

 

The following line needs clarification:

 

[His] chapter was hand selected by Magnus the Red to head up a special research operation far beyond the reaches of the galaxy, in regions that have never felt the light of the Astronomicon. His mission was to document and study the vast range of military tactics, strategy, and technique used by those inhabiting the stars.

 

For all they knew, there was NOTHING beyond the reaches of the galaxy, and no inhabitants to assemble an army, engage in military conflicts, or use tactics, strategy, and technique. Did Magnus know better? If so, HOW did Magnus know better? Did Magnus' powers of prophecy warn him a threat would arise from beyond the reaches of the galaxy? Or did Tzeentch manipulate Magnus by giving the him a false prophecy, making the Primarch send the Praetor on a wild goose chase beyond the reaches of the galaxy, so the Praetor will be unable to interfere in the events of the Horus Heresy? (There is a precedent for this. See Magnus the Red manipulating Harek Ironhelm into sending the Space Wolves on a wild goose chase, allowing the Thousand Sons to attack a near-undefended Fenris.)

 

You raise an interesting point, because Magnus is canon, it is probably best if I chose a segment of relatively unknown space to avoid problems

[Doctor Perils]

Here goes a rough idea, it pretty badly written but gives the gist. It is not mysterious of where the Dark Medjay comes from

 

-=Origin =-

 

Praetor [NAME] was considered one of the foremost experts in military tactics, strategy, and technique, of the XVth legion. It was for that reason that his chapter was hand selected by Magnus the Red to head up a special research operation far beyond the reaches of the galaxy, in regions that have never felt the light of the Astronomicon. His mission was to document and study the vast range of military tactics, strategy, and technique used by those inhabiting the stars. For his journey Magnus personally embelished [NAME]'s armour with the mark of Khufu, an ancient ward given to distant travelers.

 

The vast space in which [NAME] had to search, study, and document left even his sizable force spread relatively thin. It meant to achieve his task he would send out small squads to infiltrate and study from the shadows.

 

Reports began to come in, Magnus had began learning of the space, he knew the Emperor would eventually want to expand into.

 

But as soon as Prospero fell, the reports went quite. Praetor [NAME] and his chapter was assumed lost or destroyed

 

-= Founding =-

 

Little is known of the Dark Medjay before their first sightings on the battlefield. At first, in [DATE], reports began to surface of sighting of white marbled armoured astartes bearing the mark of Khufu as their chapter symbol appearing in elite squads on the battlefield. The first reports mention them only standing as shadows in the distance, as they watched the death from a far. As reports began to build, some spoke of them performing covert operations that would divert the course of war in favour of the emperor. It was not until [DATE] did.....

 

someone finds the Dark Medjay homeworld etc

This sounds like a good plausible start for the origins. I'm always wary though of  phrasing like "one of the best among the legion". By his rank, we already know he is better then 99% of the legion: however, I don't feel DIY creations should ever attain a spot within the 5 (or even 10) foremost officers of a legion: BL and FW are already fleshing those guys out. But that's personal preference...

 

Something that is missing for the moment is a reason for your founding master to reject Magnus and the Thousand Sons - arguably, there should also be a reason for rejecting Ahriman too.

 

 

 

I'd like to know which cult the Praetor was a member of, assuming he had psychic powers.

 

I was debating between Corvidae or Athanaeans

 

The following line needs clarification:

 

[His] chapter was hand selected by Magnus the Red to head up a special research operation far beyond the reaches of the galaxy, in regions that have never felt the light of the Astronomicon. His mission was to document and study the vast range of military tactics, strategy, and technique used by those inhabiting the stars.

 

For all they knew, there was NOTHING beyond the reaches of the galaxy, and no inhabitants to assemble an army, engage in military conflicts, or use tactics, strategy, and technique. Did Magnus know better? If so, HOW did Magnus know better? Did Magnus' powers of prophecy warn him a threat would arise from beyond the reaches of the galaxy? Or did Tzeentch manipulate Magnus by giving the him a false prophecy, making the Primarch send the Praetor on a wild goose chase beyond the reaches of the galaxy, so the Praetor will be unable to interfere in the events of the Horus Heresy? (There is a precedent for this. See Magnus the Red manipulating Harek Ironhelm into sending the Space Wolves on a wild goose chase, allowing the Thousand Sons to attack a near-undefended Fenris.)

 

You raise an interesting point, because Magnus is canon, it is probably best if I chose a segment of relatively unknown space to avoid problems

 

There's already a lot of Corvydae characters no? I think Athanaeans or Pavoni would have the most interesting skillsets for you :)

 

"Beyond" the reaches of the galaxy is an exageration, but the "furthest reaches" is fine (Carcharadons, Rogue Traders...). Having different parts of your Fellowship (ie Chapter) spread thinly would explain their propensity for kill-teams, though post-heresy I would definitely restrict the region of space.

 

 

What does the mark of Khufu look like? Also, I have to be honest and say I feel that the name "Dark Medjay" sounds clunky. Already "Medjay" is pretty weird to pronounce, it doesn't fit with traditional SM naming conventions, adding "Dark" is a bit overboard.

 

Finally, you will need to consider how the Flesh Change affects your chapter, and possibly explore how Ahriman's Rubric might have affected the chapter as well: though obviously they won't be having anyone turn to dust (although...), they will feel the Psychic Backlash of their erstwhile brothers.

[Bjorn Firewalker]

Looking up the Wikipedia article on Medjay, it states "The first mention of the Medjay in written records dates back to the Old Kingdom..." Looking up the Wikipedia article on the Old Kingdom of Egypt, it states, "Under King Djoser, the first king of the Third Dynasty of the Old Kingdom, the royal capital of Egypt was moved to Memphis..."

 

As Lexicanum's articles do not feature the word, I thus propose the Dark Medjay's Chapter planet be named "Memphis," a word that means enduring and beautiful.

 

I also propose the following legend, to explain why the Chapter planet's inhabitants named the Thousand Sons loyalists "Dark Medjay" (edited to strengthen the story):

 

In Memphis legends, monsters once ruled the world, preying on the people, feeding on their terror and their suffering. Seeking deliverance from this realm of chaos and darkness, the people prayed to the gods. To answer their prayers, a pharaoh- "pillar of heaven," a term describing gods who fought against chaos and darkness- descended to this world and wrapped himself in mortal skin, to serve as king and bring peace. The pharaoh told the people their own sins created the monsters, allowing chaos and darkness to plague the world; to prevent this, they must learn the ways of heaven, allowing the people to free themselves from sin. The god-king brought warriors from the Medjay- "beyond the stars," a term describing the heavenly realm the warriors resided in, and later, the warriors themselves- to protect his mortal kingdom from the monsters.

 

Despite the pharaoh's best efforts, the people of Memphis failed to learn from the god-king; they chose to continue sinning, warring against each another, spreading chaos, and living in darkness. In anger, the pharaoh shed his mortal skin and returned to heaven, taking the Medjay with him; with their departure, the monsters reclaimed the world, and the people's suffering returned tenfold.

 

When the Marines came to Memphis, they exorcised monsters (revealed to be weak Daemons), preventing any interference with their work in building a base of operations. The planet's inhabitants hailed them as saviors for this; thinking the Marines came from a heavenly realm, they named the new arrivals "Dark Medjay" for the Marines' dark armor.

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Something that is missing for the moment is a reason for your founding master to reject Magnus and the Thousand Sons - arguably, there should also be a reason for rejecting Ahriman too.

 

I was actually thinking here, it could be down to study and practise. Maybe even something they learnt in their mission. Much like how the Tau avoid chaos because of their mental state is resting on something else. So overall knowledge and understanding is why. Other than that very tenuous idea, I have nothing

 

 

What does the mark of Khufu look like? Also, I have to be honest and say I feel that the name "Dark Medjay" sounds clunky. Already "Medjay" is pretty weird to pronounce, it doesn't fit with traditional SM naming conventions, adding "Dark" is a bit overboard.

 

I do agree, and is something I have been working on hence the change from Sons of Medjay to Dark Medjay. It is not pretty, but is an improvement. If anyone has any suggestions it would be greatful, otherwise I will continue to brainstorm. I even thought Zalam Medjay. Zalam is the english phonetic of dark in Arabic

 

 

Finally, you will need to consider how the Flesh Change affects your chapter, and possibly explore how Ahriman's Rubric might have affected the chapter as well: though obviously they won't be having anyone turn to dust (although...), they will feel the Psychic Backlash of their erstwhile brothers.

 

Give me some time, I dont know anything about this

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Mark of Khufu

 

http://orig04.deviantart.net/179e/f/2009/065/8/2/rick__s_medjai_tattoo_by_sheppard56.jpg

[Doctor Perils]

Something that is missing for the moment is a reason for your founding master to reject Magnus and the Thousand Sons - arguably, there should also be a reason for rejecting Ahriman too.

I was actually thinking here, it could be down to study and practise. Maybe even something they learnt in their mission. Much like how the Tau avoid chaos because of their mental state is resting on something else. So overall knowledge and understanding is why. Other than that very tenuous idea, I have nothing

What does the mark of Khufu look like? Also, I have to be honest and say I feel that the name "Dark Medjay" sounds clunky. Already "Medjay" is pretty weird to pronounce, it doesn't fit with traditional SM naming conventions, adding "Dark" is a bit overboard.

I do agree, and is something I have been working on hence the change from Sons of Medjay to Dark Medjay. It is not pretty, but is an improvement. If anyone has any suggestions it would be greatful, otherwise I will continue to brainstorm. I even thought Zalam Medjay. Zalam is the english phonetic of dark in Arabic

Finally, you will need to consider how the Flesh Change affects your chapter, and possibly explore how Ahriman's Rubric might have affected the chapter as well: though obviously they won't be having anyone turn to dust (although...), they will feel the Psychic Backlash of their erstwhile brothers.

Give me some time, I dont know anything about this

Oh, I'm not forcing you into anything I'm just trying to highlight some questions you should answer in the article.

For the name, I'm personnally unfond of the word "Medjay", at least for the Imperium. If that's the word you want though, fine but then I'd recommend keeping it simply "Medjay", with no qualifiers.

Mark of Khufu

Woah, isn't that a bit complex as a chapter emblem?

[Bjorn Firewalker]

For the name, I'm personnally unfond of the word "Medjay", at least for the Imperium. If that's the word you want though, fine but then I'd recommend keeping it simply "Medjay", with no qualifiers.

Medjay is strange to English speakers, but so can the words "Templar" or "Green Beret"- words that are meaningful to those from a certain group, and meaningless to those unfamiliar with the group's history and culture. I have no problem with its use, provided the term is defined, and a reasonable justification can be found for its use.

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Rework

 

-=Origin =-

 

In all of wisdom and from all his visions Magnus the Red, Primarch of the Thousand Sons, knew that he could not just search for the knowledge of the warp, of the planes beyond the physical. For there exists a balance, for every physical action, there is an equal and opposite spiritual one. It was for this reason that he assigned a small squad of Sons, led by the Athanaean Consul Sutah, to understanding of the diverse military tactics, techniques, and strategy, that inhabit the galaxy; In order that one day, when he has risen to the rank of Praetor he may better the Thousand Sons in the Art of War.

 

Through hard study, Sutah eventually became known as an expert in military understanding, and for that Magnus promoted Sutah to the rank of Praetor and assigned him his fellowship. This promotion was not without cause, because with immediate effect Sutah was assigned to expand the region of his research into the far reaches of the galaxy and gifted with the Mark of Khufu to guide and protect him on his long journey.

 

It was not long before Sutah found himself daunted by the task that lay ahead of him. Without the resources or the man power it was an insurmountable task for his current methodology of study. Without permission of his Primarch, Sutah reorganised his fellowship. Units would be formed based upon research area, ranging from manufacturing, economics, and medicine to name a few, alongside a few for protection. From there these units were fired out all over the outer rim, each assigned their own planet. Using telepathy they were able to not only coordinate themselves over long distance but also compare and contrast their findings.

 

Sutah’s reports began to make their way to Prospero, and made for interesting reading. They were beginning to understand how the dreaded [XENOS NAME] were able to vanish in an instant. How the [XENOS NAME] would kill without leaving a mark. The [XENOS NAME], that had caused so much trouble, being able to make any object radioactively unstable, required such a simple solution. Sutah was on the brink of revolutionising Legion military doctrine.

What happened to Sutah and the lost fellowship, no one really knows. It was not long after Magnus’s promotion to daemonhood did the reports stop.

 

 

-= Founding =-

 

The precise founding in which the Dark Medjay were created is largely unknown, with their history locked away within the vast libraries of their fortress monastary. What is known is that their first confirmed reports sighted them in M36, though other reports have suggested this could have been far earlier. These unconfirmed reports are all circumstantial and hazy, however they all refer to a chapter symbol that could be describing the Mark of Khufu, the Dark Medjay chapter symbol. As a result, the Astartes of the Chapter know absolutely nothing about their origins, including having no knowledge of their primogenitor legion or primarch. This absence of information about a Primarch has resulted in the Dark Medjay focusing their spiritual reverence on the Emperor.

 

From any onlooker the Dark Medjay’s modus operandi is clearly quite different from that of the bulk of the Adeptus Astartes. The Dark Medjay spends an enormous effort on learning, particularly of military matters. Because of this, the chapter's main pursuit is perfecting the fusion between science, the art of war and military technology.

[Bjorn Firewalker]

Looks good thus far.

[Doctor Perils]

Why do I get the feeling a Pavoni Vigilator could be quite the useful second-in-command ;)

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-= Home World =-

 

Aegyptos, the homewold of the Dark Medjay in ancient tongue means ‘the House of the Spirit of the Emperor’. The vast cities that make up the planet are situated in lush grassland with rich, dark soil thanks to the complex network or rivers and deltas that cut through land. In the wilderness huge sand dunes twist and change in the wind on a whim, many a person has been lost as they attempt the great journey between cities. There are those however that make a life within those harsh climates, known as the Suda. The Suda are nomadic, constantly navigating the sand dunes to bring their cattle to pasture.

 

Gizeh is the largest city on the planet, and location of the Dark Medjays fortress monastery, Xois. Xois is an array of giant pyramids, the size that can be seen from space. No outsider has ever been known to have entered but, it is known that it comprises of a thousand libraries. It is not uncommon to hear in the streets of Gizeh locals exaggeratingly saying their libraries rival that of the Black Library, and the great library of Alexandria; an ancient long lost library of the imperium.

Before the Adeptus Astartes made this planet home it is believed that, monsters once ruled the world, preying on the people, feeding on their terror and their suffering. Seeking deliverance from this realm of chaos and darkness, the people prayed to the gods. To answer their prayers, a pharaoh- "pillar of heaven," a term describing gods who fought against chaos and darkness- descended to this world and wrapped himself in mortal skin, to serve as king and bring peace. The pharaoh told the people their own sins created the monsters, allowing chaos and darkness to plague the world; to prevent this, they must learn the ways of heaven, allowing the people to free themselves from sin. The god-king brought warriors from the Medjay- "beyond the stars," a term describing the heavenly realm the warriors resided in, and later, the warriors themselves- to protect his mortal form from the monsters.

 

Despite the pharaoh's best efforts, the people of Aegyptos failed to learn from the god-king; they chose to continue sinning, warring against each another, spreading chaos, and living in darkness. In anger and disgust, the pharaoh shed his mortal skin and returned to heaven, taking the Medjay with him; with their departure, the monsters reclaimed the world, and the people's suffering returned tenfold.

 

When the Astartes came to Aegyptos, they exterminated the man-eating beasts, preventing any interference with their work in building a base of operations. The planet's inhabitants hailed them as saviors for this; thinking the Marines came from a heavenly realm, they named the new arrivals "Dark Medjay" for the Marines' dark armour.

 

-= Beliefs =-

 

The people of Aegyptos believe in the six guardians of Aegyptos. It is an old story often taught to children, to teach them of the creation of their home. The story goes that before mankind walked upon the surface the Emperor walked what is known today as the horn of Aegyptos. On his journey it first came across, Bastet, a puma that had pounced as if to attack but did not strike for it was afraid. The emperor gave Bastet courage and went on his way. It was not long before he spotted Anubis on his journey, a Jackal that could not catch his dinner. So the emperor gave Anubis cunning and went on his way. The emperor went on his way, walking day and night. Eventually he came across Horus, a hawk who was not fast enough to catch his prey. The emperor gave Horus foresight so he could think faster than his prey and went on his way. The emperor next came across a river, as he crossed Sobek a mighty crocodile would snap at him but every blow would be misjudged and they missed. Wading out of the river the emperor gifted the crocodiles with judgement and went on his way. Next he met Apophis, a mighty cobra who’s young were unwell, the emperor taught Apophis how to heal, and went on his way. Finally the emperor met Apis, a large bull who was not able to keep his family out of the baking hot sun. So the emperor built a shelter with him, teaching him he can build shelter wherever he may be, and went on his way.

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-= Organisation =-

 

The Dark Medjay appear to deviate from the Codex in a number of key organisational areas. The Chapter numbers nine companies instead of ten, the first five comprising of Orisons dedicated to the fields of study laid out by the guardians of Aegyptos; Anumbis, Horus, Sobek, Apophis, and Apis. The sixth and seventh company is equivalent to the standard reserve company in the codex, with the final two companies comprising of neophytes.

 

Anubis’s company is roughly equivalent to a Chapter’s Veteran 1^st company, comprised of the strongest, and smartest, warriors the chapter has available, and are denoted with their Jackal head helmets. The Horus company is comprised with those soldiers gifted in the way of the warp, and are quite often used in battle as long range communicators through the use of telepathy, they are recognisable through the hawk helm they wear. The Sobek company is made up of chaplains, their main task outside of the battlefield is to maintain to vast libraries with Xois. Apophis is roughly equivalent to a company of Apothecaries and are easily recognisable on the battlefield thanks to their cobra styled helmets. Finally the Apis company is comprised of those gifted with the machine-spirit and are an equivalent to a company of Techmarines; in the field they a responsible in learning and understanding how machines, vehicles, and weaponry operate. The sixth guardian of Aegyptos, Bastet has no company, and the Puma helm that represents them is instead regarded as the highest military honour that can be bestowed upon a Dark Medjay. The company captains are often bearers of such an honour, and are admired by their soldiers for it.

 

The greatest divergence from the codex is that they do not fight as a company, or even as recognised units. Instead units are formed on a need to know basis, from soldiers selected by senior officers based upon the skillsets for the operation.

[Doctor Perils]

Hum, organising specialists into a company sounds a bit weird. Be sure to state the amount of each  kind of specialist, or people  will think you have 100 librarians, 100 apothecaries, 100 techmarines and 100 chaplains...

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Hum, organising specialists into a company sounds a bit weird. Be sure to state the amount of each  kind of specialist, or people  will think you have 100 librarians, 100 apothecaries, 100 techmarines and 100 chaplains...

 

I was thinking more along the lines of 100 librarians in training, 100 apothecaries in training etc. Whilst maintaining the established organisation of those elements

[Doctor Perils]

Hum, organising specialists into a company sounds a bit weird. Be sure to state the amount of each kind of specialist, or people will think you have 100 librarians, 100 apothecaries, 100 techmarines and 100 chaplains...

I was thinking more along the lines of 100 librarians in training, 100 apothecaries in training etc. Whilst maintaining the established organisation of those elements

Nope. I haven't really got any arguments for this, but that just seems Mary Sueish, for the sake of being Mary Sueish. Your battle tactics are already unconventional (kill teams). Your story is already unconventional (successor of traitors). I'm prepared to accept weird organisation too, but you have to still try and make something that looks like a Space Marine Chapter (and therefore will have a limited number of specialists), otherwise you might as well call them their own completely separate thing that is completely separate from what has come before in the history of separateness. That's all fine if you want to do that though :)

If you want to call this a Space Marine chapter, you'll have to find some way of making them unique, but in the framework of what a chapter is. Ultimately, you'll find it far more interesting to create your own little corner of 40k, by conforming to the established rules of 40k.

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Nope. I haven't really got any arguments for this, but that just seems Mary Sueish, for the sake of being Mary Sueish. Your battle tactics are already unconventional (kill teams). Your story is already unconventional (successor of traitors). I'm prepared to accept weird organisation too, but you have to still try and make something that looks like a Space Marine Chapter (and therefore will have a limited number of specialists), otherwise you might as well call them their own completely separate thing that is completely separate from what has come before in the history of separateness. That's all fine if you want to do that though

If you want to call this a Space Marine chapter, you'll have to find some way of making them unique, but in the framework of what a chapter is. Ultimately, you'll find it far more interesting to create your own little corner of 40k, by conforming to the established rules of 40k.

Okay, too much. Noted

So a simpler way must be found

I tried it this way because I dont want the normal unit composition. My favourite marine unit of all time was the old command squad with all the trimmings. Now I dont have any pictures to share, my models are very WIP with me true-scaling them but I am building two tactical squads composed of

• Sergeant
• Medic (Lower ranked Apothecary?)
• Special weapons
• Heavy weapon
• Sniper (Think HH Recon with Bolter similar to Telion)
• Spotter (An actual scout. count as in game terms)
• Pioneer (Marine with servo arm)