Imperialis Primos

[Arkangilos]

To piggyback off what he said about editing, we mean that while you can and should add updates in new posts, you should also edit them into the original post so they are all consolidated.

 

Also, are your first six companies actually structured differently? Like one has more devastators? Or are they relatively the same?

[Runesfuer]

Are y'all okay with me posting links?

Because, that makes it easier to both format, and respond in walls... As im currently doing. Lol.

[Olis]

Depends on where the links go. So long as the pages they go to don't directly contravene B&C rules, then it might be alright.

[Runesfuer]

My Google drive.

[Arkangilos]

Why does it make it easier? Already pre written?

 

I'm ok with it personally, but I'm not a mod.

[Runesfuer]

Because, when I'm typing up a long tell (like now) i do so on a computer. If my laptop worked, I'd just hotspot it to upload.

[Olis]

Go for it. If anything is awry then we'll let you know.

[Arkangilos]

Ah

[Runesfuer]

Boom. Reply.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1bCgZkrximAQ75nlsju_83LUOYuvFCzjM2IRcORCcukI/edit?usp=drive_web

[Arkangilos]

Do you have an idea of what you want as your emblem?

[Runesfuer]

I was thinking a golden 1, superimposed over the Aquila. Or a green 1.

Do you like the Battle Brother i put at the bottom? (Grey shoulder trim means he is a Tactical of the 6th Company)

Did you look at the ones in the link?

 

My profile pic is an older version.

I personally like the white with the battle scars, but, with fresh plate, the blue looks better IMO.

Also acts as camo on their Icy Deathworld.

[Doctor Perils]

That Deathwatch Guardian Captain has more bling then the Emperor of Mankind :lol:

 

I have to be honest, posting a reply to a forum post on a google doc seems a bit weird: sort of defeats the purpose of a forum no?

 

For the text itself, it's not a massive problem to link it to a google doc, but it's not super user-friendly for us. And if you're writing it on a computer anyway, I don't see why it's particularly complicated to just hit ctrl+c ctrl+v into your posts...

 

 

"Imperial first" still doesn't sound great as a chapter name to me: why not use it as your battle cry? And I think "Imperium first" may be more logical?

 

You say that the specializations don't mean that they can't fight in other ways. However, you do say that they "tend" to have more of unit x or y: therefore, they are drifting ever further from the Codex Astartes - the codex rests on the Battle Companies aided by the reserves, vets and scouts, your chapter completely ignores that. That is "special snowflake" territory (ironic for an ice-world chapter ^^).

 

I think the burning book idea is okay - my problem is specifically with the name, as it is the same as a salamander unit, without it actually being the same thing. If it was the veterans, that would have been okay.

 

 

Also, I'm sorry to say you haven't really addressed the Blank question? Why does he need to be a blank? Also, is he wandering around alone? If so, why doesn't he have help from others (like Vulkan He'stan?)

 

I don't understand where your relics come from? You say that some aren't originally from your chapter: how did they know where to find them in the first place? Why are they retrieving these? What happens if another chapter or imperial organisation claims them? What happens if they bring back a piece of technology that is truly possessed?

I think this could truly be an interesting element to your chapter, but it doesn't feel like you've put much thought into it yet - it feels more like you wanted a justification to an awesome techmarine dreadnought (as if any justification were needed ;) ). For the moment, it sounds like they are trawling the galaxy for lost equipment - Space Jawas if you will. However, I think that, by saying that they hope to retrieve elements of their lost history with these relics, you'll be able to craft a much more compelling story.

At the moment, you focus nearly exclusively on what the technology of the relics are, and how they were found - to me, that's a D&D trinket, not a "Relic". Each relic should have it's own history and symbolic meaning, which is often times more important then what it can do. You have elements of that with your lost star-fort - other examples are Vulkan's artefacts :)

[Runesfuer]

I'm writing it during down time at work, which has a block on this site.

 

Either way, the High Gothic name would be Imperialis Primos, which I prefer, because Latin and Greek just sound better to me.

 

The Relic master generally chooses a squad to search with him. Right now, in the year 999.M41, Relic Master Tecon, Chief Seer Runesfuer, Head Healer Artemis, Chief Shaman Thanatos, and Deathwatch Guardian Thorn are onboard a long lost space station, in an attempt to reclaim another relic.

 

The relics were initially lost during the chapters decimation, and, the Tome records their last known positions. It is not understood by the Chapter how it tracks them, but, when found, each relic will unlock a code, that code leads to the Chapter learning more about themselves, and leads to a new relic.

The storm eagle and fire raptor where originally owned by an unknown legion, potentially the Salamanders, or, more likely, a lost Legion, as they were scoured of all markings. Thats actually the lore of how they came to be in their possession i the first place. The crash and attempted suicide are the recovery.

If a relic is possessed, something both the Relic master and all librarians would be able to tell, it would be destroyed, no-matter how valuable. Similar to corrupted STC.

He doesn't have to, but, being a blank allows him to go places that are potentially infested with daemons, or Eldar, or any psyker really. As how they relics got lost, the daemon thing would be fairly feasible..

 

Also, the Veterans for the Salamanders are the Fire Drakes...

 

They have 2 extra squads per company. Those squads might be more specialized than the rest of the company.

And, from my understanding, minor deviations like this are okay. Unless your an ultramarine or their successors.

[Bjorn Firewalker]

 

 

being forced to recruit from the nearby Forgeworld, and Tullic Prime, the nearby Imperial Bastion.

Forge worlds and Imperial bastions (Astra Militarum fortress worlds) will NOT be happy a third party (Space Marines) are recruiting their people- workers THEY NEED to work their forges (in the forge world's case), and men THEY NEED to man their walls (in the bastion's case). Their planetary governors will complain to their superiors- to the Fabricator-General of Mars in the forge world's case, to the Lord Commander Militant in the bastion's case- who, as HIGH LORDS OF TERRA, will then demand answers from this Chapter of "unknown Founding" and "unknown Primogenitor."

 

How can the forge world and the Imperial bastion- both of which fall under the authority of a HIGH LORD OF TERRA- be certain the Imperialis Primos aren't actually Traitors, trying to steal the Emperor's men, to be corrupted into weapons with which the Traitors can destroy the Emperor's realm? If the HIGH LORDS OF TERRA don't get the answers they want, they will order the Inquisition (and any Space Marine Chapters willing to serve under an Inquisitor) to erase the "Imperialis Primos" from existence.

 

You best revise the Chapter's history. Either identify the Imperialis Primos' Primarch as a Loyalist- someone the HIGH LORDS OF TERRA would trust- or don't let the Chapter recruit from worlds under the direct authority of a HIGH LORD OF TERRA.

[Doctor Perils]

 

being forced to recruit from the nearby Forgeworld, and Tullic Prime, the nearby Imperial Bastion.

Forge worlds and Imperial bastions (Astra Militarum fortress worlds) will NOT be happy a third party (Space Marines) are recruiting their people- workers THEY NEED to work their forges (in the forge world's case), and men THEY NEED to man their walls (in the bastion's case). Their planetary governors will complain to their superiors- to the Fabricator-General of Mars in the forge world's case, to the Lord Commander Militant in the bastion's case- who, as HIGH LORDS OF TERRA, will then demand answers from this Chapter of "unknown Founding" and "unknown Primogenitor."

 

How can the forge world and the Imperial bastion- both of which fall under the authority of a HIGH LORD OF TERRA- be certain the Imperialis Primos aren't actually Traitors, trying to steal the Emperor's men, to be corrupted into weapons with which the Traitors can destroy the Emperor's realm? If the HIGH LORDS OF TERRA don't get the answers they want, they will order the Inquisition (and any Space Marine Chapters willing to serve under an Inquisitor) to erase the "Imperialis Primos" from existence.

 

You best revise the Chapter's history. Either identify the Imperialis Primos' Primarch as a Loyalist- someone the HIGH LORDS OF TERRA would trust- or don't let the Chapter recruit from worlds under the direct authority of a HIGH LORD OF TERRA.

 

Ah, I hadn't noticed that bit: good catch. Yeah, any marine chapter will have trouble recruiting from a forge world or a fortress world - even those with known ascendency.

 

HHowever, I don't think it's necessary to give an absolutely certain progenitor chapter: there are so many canon chapters with unknown ascendency that it would be a bit hypocritical to force Runesfuer to identify the primarch. Plus, she says that theories suggest the chapter is descended either from the salamanders or the raven guard. - especially considering that any chapter, even  the first founding chapters, will have trouble recruiting from forgeworlds or fortress worlds.

 

PS: High Lords of Terra doesn't need to be written in caps lock ;)

[Bjorn Firewalker]

PS: High Lords of Terra doesn't need to be written in caps lock

I know, but using caps lock will draw attention to the words, and emphasize them. I wanted to emphasize WHOSE subjects the Imperialis Primos were recruiting (an act that could be viewed as theft, as the East German government viewed West Germany drawing its citizens over the Berlin Wall), WHO they were pissing off, and how ed these Space Marines would be if the Imperialis Primos tried to get away with this.

[Arkangilos]

I actually don't think that would be a problem. Space marine recruitment is generally pretty low in number, and most worlds have so many people that even 1000 that go missing won't really be missed.

 

In one of the Imperial Navy books, they literally come down and scoop up hundreds of people to press gang into service. Plus the chapter might have an agreement

[Doctor Perils]

I actually don't think that would be a problem. Space marine recruitment is generally pretty low in number, and most worlds have so many people that even 1000 that go missing won't really be missed.

In one of the Imperial Navy books, they literally come down and scoop up hundreds of people to press gang into service. Plus the chapter might have an agreement

I don't think it would be a problem in terms of manpower, but in terms of showing off who has the most muscle, these other planetary governors wouldn't want to just give in lightly.

If the chapter has an agreement that would be fine - seeing the diplomatic negociations could be quite interesting too. Some planets might get the right in exchange to do some amount of trading through the chapter's navy; others might get a tribute in equipment, others might even get partial settlement rights for planets conquered by the chapter etc.

[Warsmith Uveron]

If the chapter has an agreement that would be fine - seeing the diplomatic negociations could be quite interesting too. Some planets might get the right in exchange to do some amount of trading through the chapter's navy; others might get a tribute in equipment, others might even get partial settlement rights for planets conquered by the chapter etc.

An agreement that says you can recrute from the fortress world, but marines from the chapter need to be deployed to the world... is 1000 'Mortals' worth one squad of marines?

[Doctor Perils]

If the chapter has an agreement that would be fine - seeing the diplomatic negociations could be quite interesting too. Some planets might get the right in exchange to do some amount of trading through the chapter's navy; others might get a tribute in equipment, others might even get partial settlement rights for planets conquered by the chapter etc.

An agreement that says you can recrute from the fortress world, but marines from the chapter need to be deployed to the world... is 1000 'Mortals' worth one squad of marines?

Yeah, I think that's just the kind of dilemma that would be right up the Imperialis Primos's alley :)

[Arkangilos]

Well I mean, they could allow them to recruit because in the past they saved them. It doesn't always have to a two way agreement. It could have been a reward type thing. A debt, so to speak.

[Claws and Effect]

Well I mean, they could allow them to recruit because in the past they saved them. It doesn't always have to a two way agreement. It could have been a reward type thing. A debt, so to speak.

 

The Raven Guard recruit from Kiavahr (which is a Forge World) almost exclusively. 

 

But that might have more to do with their homeworld being the moon that orbits the planet. 

 

Nevertheless, it is precedent. 

[Bjorn Firewalker]

Well I mean, they could allow them to recruit because in the past they saved them. It doesn't always have to a two way agreement. It could have been a reward type thing. A debt, so to speak.

That makes sense, and is something the Adeptus Mechanicus or Astra Militarum will be forced to tolerate. However, these worlds likely have powerful defense forces under the planetary governor's authority, because they're so important to the Adeptus Mechanicus and/or the Astra Militarum; a threat that would force these worlds to beg the Imperialis Primos for help, must be CRITICAL. An Ork Waaagh! or an attack by a Chaos Space Marine battle barge (with Chaos Space Marines landing on the planet to achieve their Captain's goals) would qualify.

[Doctor Perils]

 

Well I mean, they could allow them to recruit because in the past they saved them. It doesn't always have to a two way agreement. It could have been a reward type thing. A debt, so to speak.

 

The Raven Guard recruit from Kiavahr (which is a Forge World) almost exclusively. 

 

But that might have more to do with their homeworld being the moon that orbits the planet. 

 

Nevertheless, it is precedent. 

 

Kiavahr is not officially a Forge World, in that it doesn't belong to the Adeptus Mechanicus - I think it is technically an Industrial World, that has an output and technological know-how that rivals some of the most important true Forge Worlds, but it really belongs to the Raven Guard.

 

Back on track...

[Machine God]

I was thinking a golden 1, superimposed over the Aquila. Or a green 1.

 

My profile pic is an older version.

I personally like the white with the battle scars, but, with fresh plate, the blue looks better IMO.

Also acts as camo on their Icy Deathworld.

You could always convert the Dark Angels one, replace/turn the sword into a 1.