Bloody Legionnaire Posted August 5, 2016 Share Posted August 5, 2016 So, this is a bit of a modeling question, but how did the the Legions (Specifically World Eaters) mark their veterans in MKIV armor? I know the MKII World Eaters had the Modified helmets with the mantles... but I don't know how it's done for MKIV. Mods, if this is more of a modeling question feel free to move it. but I thought since this was Legion/30K specific I'd get better answers here. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/324485-world-eaters-mkiv-veterans-dipiction/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuskRaider Posted August 5, 2016 Share Posted August 5, 2016 Your best bet would be to use the Forge World Khorne Berzerker heads and shave the bunny ears and Khorne symbols off. They make great Sarum-pattern variants that look right at home on World Eaters. Source: My Word Bearers look like BAMFs with them. http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h169/DuskRaiderXIV/20160511_010034_zpsuxmaj0st.jpg Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/324485-world-eaters-mkiv-veterans-dipiction/#findComment-4458443 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandlemad Posted August 5, 2016 Share Posted August 5, 2016 You could keep those MII helms on MkIV bodies; the FW books show a veteran with a WE MkII helm on a MkIII body. If there's any part of the legion most likely to mix their gear, it's the veterans. Or the Sarum-pattern helms DuskRaider mentions, you could even say that these guys fought in the original liberation of Sarum, the first big WE campaign under Angron. Other than the type of armour, that same image shows a bronze helmet, noting that this indicates veteran status. You could perhaps do the same to their pauldrons. If you used the FW resin WE pads, the legion icon could be painted in bronze. The FW books also had a few other little features which, while not specifically called out as veteran indicators, could suggest long service and customisation. Kill-tallies scratched into vambraces, little ritual red markings under the eye-lenses, chain markings indicating a victory over a superior officer in the pits, a bound wolf indicating an honour from fighting the SW, a hound's head showing early crusade service from before Angron, spikes added to the armour (a lot of folks like using the SoH reaver bits for this), the bloody red handprint as a particular legion honour. The chap with the caedere remissum bunny ears in Retribution also has some of these. You also get some WE replacing elements of their heraldry with (blood) red towards the middle years of the heresy. If your veterans are meant to be seriously mind-bleached berzerkers, this could mark them out nicely. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/324485-world-eaters-mkiv-veterans-dipiction/#findComment-4458594 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted August 5, 2016 Share Posted August 5, 2016 Wow! Without the ears they do look really cool! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/324485-world-eaters-mkiv-veterans-dipiction/#findComment-4458600 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vodunius Posted August 5, 2016 Share Posted August 5, 2016 Legion emblem. Betrayal states that World Eater legion iconography is "an earned right of service", the example Veteran Legionary has the legion emblem on his shoulder, chest and knee and it's noted that this denotes long service, whilst beside him on the page is a legionary identified as a n00b due to his lack of any legion iconography. The Veteran legionary's armour is described as "older Legion issue, with modified helm (brazen colouration denoting veteran status)", my interpretation of the use of brackets there is that it's purely the bronze colour that denotes the status, not the modified helm itself, so when I get round to doing my World Eaters Veterans I'm just gonna paint the regular helmets bronze. The artist's proportions on the Sarum helmets in Betrayal are a bit off, but they are clearly MkV - the massive Star Wars Storm Trooper style protrusions that house the front half of the cables are rather distinctive. Forge World's Khorne Berzerker helmets are too blatantly MkVII to be convincing as Sarum to me. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/324485-world-eaters-mkiv-veterans-dipiction/#findComment-4458728 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guiltysparc Posted August 5, 2016 Share Posted August 5, 2016 Like Vodunius said, bronze helms are specifically mentioned as marking out veterans. The use of the maw icon was awarded based on merrit, so you could have a bronze helm guy (veteran) with multiple maw icons denoting several notable achievments. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/324485-world-eaters-mkiv-veterans-dipiction/#findComment-4458750 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloody Legionnaire Posted August 5, 2016 Author Share Posted August 5, 2016 Your best bet would be to use the Forge World Khorne Berzerker heads and shave the bunny ears and Khorne symbols off. They make great Sarum-pattern variants that look right at home on World Eaters. Source: My Word Bearers look like BAMFs with them. http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h169/DuskRaiderXIV/20160511_010034_zpsuxmaj0st.jpg That is true, but in reading the fluff I guess Angron was never down with the mantles and forbade his veterans from using them. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/324485-world-eaters-mkiv-veterans-dipiction/#findComment-4459007 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloody Legionnaire Posted August 5, 2016 Author Share Posted August 5, 2016 Legion emblem. Betrayal states that World Eater legion iconography is "an earned right of service", the example Veteran Legionary has the legion emblem on his shoulder, chest and knee and it's noted that this denotes long service, whilst beside him on the page is a legionary identified as a n00b due to his lack of any legion iconography. The Veteran legionary's armour is described as "older Legion issue, with modified helm (brazen colouration denoting veteran status)", my interpretation of the use of brackets there is that it's purely the bronze colour that denotes the status, not the modified helm itself, so when I get round to doing my World Eaters Veterans I'm just gonna paint the regular helmets bronze. The artist's proportions on the Sarum helmets in Betrayal are a bit off, but they are clearly MkV - the massive Star Wars Storm Trooper style protrusions that house the front half of the cables are rather distinctive. Forge World's Khorne Berzerker helmets are too blatantly MkVII to be convincing as Sarum to me. Thanks for this reply! I like the idea of the bronze coloration a lot. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/324485-world-eaters-mkiv-veterans-dipiction/#findComment-4459295 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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