Sete Posted September 1, 2016 Share Posted September 1, 2016 In this thread "swimming around" like a shark after blood is the guy that is going to kill my favourite caracther. Am I upset? Hella upset! RAWRRR But I have come to terms that it is the nature of the fluff. Just roll with the punches and enjoy the books for what they are. Works of fiction, meant to entertain and tell stories of dystopian lands and futures. Well I think the BT fans will have a heart attack if Abaddon beats Siggles like the red-headed step child he is :) ADB will be cursed to high heaven for daring to touch the wayward boy-child known as Sigismund. The complaints about how AL are treated in this book are a joke. The Legion with more plot armour that Tau. ADB will be the target of a most holy crusade if happens in an unworthy manner.Leave siggles alone. He has done nothing wrong. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/324545-praetorian-of-dorn/page/11/#findComment-4486525 Share on other sites More sharing options...
A D-B Posted September 1, 2016 Share Posted September 1, 2016 In this thread "swimming around" like a shark after blood is the guy that is going to kill my favourite caracther. Am I upset? Hella upset! RAWRRR But I have come to terms that it is the nature of the fluff. Just roll with the punches and enjoy the books for what they are. Works of fiction, meant to entertain and tell stories of dystopian lands and futures. Well I think the BT fans will have a heart attack if Abaddon beats Siggles like the red-headed step child he is ADB will be cursed to high heaven for daring to touch the wayward boy-child known as Sigismund. The complaints about how AL are treated in this book are a joke. The Legion with more plot armour that Tau. ADB will be the target of a most holy crusade if happens in an unworthy manner. I'll lead it myself. Sigismund is probably my favourite 40K character ever - at least in terms of his old, mythic lore. The idea of Sigsimund. This is going to hurt me as much as anyone. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/324545-praetorian-of-dorn/page/11/#findComment-4486551 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeritorA Posted September 1, 2016 Share Posted September 1, 2016 In this thread "swimming around" like a shark after blood is the guy that is going to kill my favourite caracther. Am I upset? Hella upset! RAWRRRBut I have come to terms that it is the nature of the fluff. Just roll with the punches and enjoy the books for what they are. Works of fiction, meant to entertain and tell stories of dystopian lands and futures. Well I think the BT fans will have a heart attack if Abaddon beats Siggles like the red-headed step child he is ADB will be cursed to high heaven for daring to touch the wayward boy-child known as Sigismund. The complaints about how AL are treated in this book are a joke. The Legion with more plot armour that Tau. Ohhh yesss. Tau plot armour is unbreakable. The only person who tried to break it was Peter Fehervari in Fire Caste and he was punished for it by 'blue fish' lovers. Even if the book was amazing - and one of the 3 greatest W40K novels of ALL times Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/324545-praetorian-of-dorn/page/11/#findComment-4486559 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeritorA Posted September 1, 2016 Share Posted September 1, 2016 In this thread "swimming around" like a shark after blood is the guy that is going to kill my favourite caracther. Am I upset? Hella upset! RAWRRR But I have come to terms that it is the nature of the fluff. Just roll with the punches and enjoy the books for what they are. Works of fiction, meant to entertain and tell stories of dystopian lands and futures. Well I think the BT fans will have a heart attack if Abaddon beats Siggles like the red-headed step child he is ADB will be cursed to high heaven for daring to touch the wayward boy-child known as Sigismund. The complaints about how AL are treated in this book are a joke. The Legion with more plot armour that Tau. ADB will be the target of a most holy crusade if happens in an unworthy manner. I'll lead it myself. Sigismund is probably my favourite 40K character ever - at least in terms of his old, mythic lore. The idea of Sigsimund. This is going to hurt me as much as anyone. 'Hello Sigi. - Hello Abby. - What's up - where you waiting for me? - Yeap, I did. - Ok, FIRE!!!. Arggkhm ..... - But.... victory.... As usual Sigismund will die in a most unhonorable way ever But sure, A D-B we believe in you! What can go wrong .... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/324545-praetorian-of-dorn/page/11/#findComment-4486562 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sete Posted September 1, 2016 Share Posted September 1, 2016 In this thread "swimming around" like a shark after blood is the guy that is going to kill my favourite caracther. Am I upset? Hella upset! RAWRRR But I have come to terms that it is the nature of the fluff. Just roll with the punches and enjoy the books for what they are. Works of fiction, meant to entertain and tell stories of dystopian lands and futures. Well I think the BT fans will have a heart attack if Abaddon beats Siggles like the red-headed step child he is ADB will be cursed to high heaven for daring to touch the wayward boy-child known as Sigismund. The complaints about how AL are treated in this book are a joke. The Legion with more plot armour that Tau. ADB will be the target of a most holy crusade if happens in an unworthy manner. I'll lead it myself. Sigismund is probably my favourite 40K character ever - at least in terms of his old, mythic lore. The idea of Sigsimund. This is going to hurt me as much as anyone. We will make a support group. :,( Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/324545-praetorian-of-dorn/page/11/#findComment-4486573 Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1soul Posted September 1, 2016 Share Posted September 1, 2016 you'll have some saying the AL are whipping boys getting their butts handed to them, others saying they're mary sues who run rings around the other legions, and both sides convinced they're right. I can at least understand the accusations of being over-powered Before PoD...who in their right mind would say they're whipping boys? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/324545-praetorian-of-dorn/page/11/#findComment-4486586 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acolyte of Dorn Posted September 1, 2016 Share Posted September 1, 2016 I was really pleased with how the Fists were "revealed" to us in this novel. I learned so much about the legion and I was particularly interested in the implantation and indoctrination procedure. PoD was a terrific read which I devoured in short order. More like this, please. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/324545-praetorian-of-dorn/page/11/#findComment-4486638 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper Posted September 1, 2016 Share Posted September 1, 2016 In this thread "swimming around" like a shark after blood is the guy that is going to kill my favourite caracther. Am I upset? Hella upset! RAWRRR But I have come to terms that it is the nature of the fluff. Just roll with the punches and enjoy the books for what they are. Works of fiction, meant to entertain and tell stories of dystopian lands and futures. Well I think the BT fans will have a heart attack if Abaddon beats Siggles like the red-headed step child he is ADB will be cursed to high heaven for daring to touch the wayward boy-child known as Sigismund. The complaints about how AL are treated in this book are a joke. The Legion with more plot armour that Tau. ADB will be the target of a most holy crusade if happens in an unworthy manner. I'll lead it myself. Sigismund is probably my favourite 40K character ever - at least in terms of his old, mythic lore. The idea of Sigsimund. This is going to hurt me as much as anyone. Dude, you kill characters in great ways, so I don't have the shadow of a doubt it will be cool. I can't wait to read about the fall of Sigismund, just like I'll be having a sound moment when I'll read about Lheor passing away in his brother's arms. You do your thing. I'll be reading. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/324545-praetorian-of-dorn/page/11/#findComment-4487052 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 1, 2016 Share Posted September 1, 2016 Dude, you kill characters in great ways, so I don't have the shadow of a doubt it will be cool. I can't wait to read about the fall of Sigismund, just like I'll be having a sound moment when I'll read about Lheor passing away in his brother's arms. You do your thing. I'll be reading. Well I got the impression at the time of ToH that Abaddon is still honourable (Well as much as he can be for a traitor). So maybe a duel for the centuries. but I would be just as at home with a dirty kill :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/324545-praetorian-of-dorn/page/11/#findComment-4487188 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sete Posted September 1, 2016 Share Posted September 1, 2016 He respects the strong. But im sure Siggles (lol cool nickname) will give him a parting gift. A card, a chocolate or maybe one of those fluffy bears... One thing is certain for some reason abby had to get the daemon sword and eventually got the marks of the 4 gods of chaos. I like to think it was because Sigismund gave him a run for his money. On topic tho. The book lacked siggles chooping up alphas. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/324545-praetorian-of-dorn/page/11/#findComment-4487268 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 1, 2016 Share Posted September 1, 2016 He respects the strong. But im sure Siggles (lol cool nickname) will give him a parting gift. A card, a chocolate or maybe one of those fluffy bears... One thing is certain for some reason abby had to get the daemon sword and eventually got the marks of the 4 gods of chaos. I like to think it was because Sigismund gave him a run for his money. On topic tho. The book lacked siggles chooping up alphas. Siggles is an affectionate term :). It would be an interesting thing comes close to dying and makes the pacts after to make sure death never comes close again. I think Dorn chopped up enough for the both of them :). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/324545-praetorian-of-dorn/page/11/#findComment-4487295 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother-serpent Tylydox Posted September 1, 2016 Share Posted September 1, 2016 That is very much down to how the AL operate, and what makes them interesting. They can do well enough in regular warfare, they're Space Marines after all - but their specialty is in covert ops and playing the long con. Their goals and methods are far more convoluted than those of other Legions. Most of their activities in the Heresy are trying to influence the course of history to their liking, nudging other forces here and there - that's a different type of victory, I give you that, but its not that they don't win. They win where it counts for their agenda. And even then, the stuff they pull off in Praetorian of Dorn is incredible, utterly brilliantly coordinated and all in character of the Legion. It seems also kinda ironic for an Alpha Legion fan to complain about their army not winning enough when this is the first real Imperial Fists book in the series, and apart from some stories like The Crimson Fist or Templar, have never been in the thick of it. And even then, The Crimson Fist had them take massive losses and retreat by Dorn's orders. You're somehow complaining that the AL didn't completely trump the stars of the book, who desperately needed some big success of their own. What makes AL interesting is that they are one of top best military forces who achieve their victories through a detailed planning and execution. What BL authors have failed to show again and again is that they are a military force with tanks, Thunderhaws, APCes, etc.who can come and smash whatever they are fighting against and do it in choreographic and well rehearsed manner with zero or minimal losses. Instead we read all the time about "sneaky-sneaky" Alpha Legion who are so smart they have a finger dipped everywhere but get their arses kicked when it comes to walk the walk. This book is no different. It supposed to be about the Imperial Fists but apparently a major part of it covers "sneaky-sneaky" Alpha Legion who... get their arses handed to them again at the end and their Primarch killed. And yes I do need a victory because frankly I m getting sick and tired of that "sneaky-sneaky" garbage in conjunction with what it usually followed by in every book or story about AL. Paramar V was one, and there were some pre-heresy ones from their FW entry. And while not conventional or full battlefield engagements, they seemed to win out in Hunter's Moon, The Face of Treachery, Deliverance Lost, The Harrowing, Liar's Due and on Tallarn. No. It's my personal opinion and I am entitled to it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/324545-praetorian-of-dorn/page/11/#findComment-4487310 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mellow Posted September 1, 2016 Share Posted September 1, 2016 Abaddon doesn't make any pacts with the Chaos Gods though does he. Unless I'm mistaken? To be honest, I've heard that Sigismund dies by choking on a carrot stick and Abaddon refuses to do the heimlich maneuver. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/324545-praetorian-of-dorn/page/11/#findComment-4487311 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sete Posted September 1, 2016 Share Posted September 1, 2016 Well he does have the 4 marks of chaos... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/324545-praetorian-of-dorn/page/11/#findComment-4487323 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tymell Posted September 1, 2016 Share Posted September 1, 2016 Paramar V was one, and there were some pre-heresy ones from their FW entry. And while not conventional or full battlefield engagements, they seemed to win out in Hunter's Moon, The Face of Treachery, Deliverance Lost, The Harrowing, Liar's Due and on Tallarn. No. It's my personal opinion and I am entitled to it. You're entitled to think whatever you want, sure. But if you post "AL doesn't have a single clear and overwhelming victory in all BL/FW books", which is phrased much more as a statement of fact than opinion, in a public forum, don't be surprised if someone provides an example to the contrary :p Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/324545-praetorian-of-dorn/page/11/#findComment-4487329 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH79 Posted September 1, 2016 Share Posted September 1, 2016 He respects the strong. But im sure Siggles (lol cool nickname) will give him a parting gift. A card, a chocolate or maybe one of those fluffy bears... One thing is certain for some reason abby had to get the daemon sword and eventually got the marks of the 4 gods of chaos. I like to think it was because Sigismund gave him a run for his money. On topic tho. The book lacked siggles chooping up alphas. I'm kind of on the same page here re giving him a run for his money... I believe Sigismund is the most deadly Imperial warrior still breathing (outside of a Primarch which = auto win in my eyes) at the time Abaddon appears to face him. The chances of him being swept aside in a single stroke are slim and if that were the case i think i would simply stop reading and throw my toys out of the pram. Whatever happens i hope Abaddon bleeds hard for every drop of Sigismunds blood that is shed. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/324545-praetorian-of-dorn/page/11/#findComment-4487352 Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1soul Posted September 2, 2016 Share Posted September 2, 2016 Instead we read all the time about "sneaky-sneaky" Alpha Legion who are so smart they have a finger dipped everywhere but get their arses kicked when it comes to walk the walk. When has the AL had their butts kicked? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/324545-praetorian-of-dorn/page/11/#findComment-4487485 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apothecary Vaddon Posted September 2, 2016 Share Posted September 2, 2016 That is very much down to how the AL operate, and what makes them interesting. They can do well enough in regular warfare, they're Space Marines after all - but their specialty is in covert ops and playing the long con. Their goals and methods are far more convoluted than those of other Legions. Most of their activities in the Heresy are trying to influence the course of history to their liking, nudging other forces here and there - that's a different type of victory, I give you that, but its not that they don't win. They win where it counts for their agenda. And even then, the stuff they pull off in Praetorian of Dorn is incredible, utterly brilliantly coordinated and all in character of the Legion. It seems also kinda ironic for an Alpha Legion fan to complain about their army not winning enough when this is the first real Imperial Fists book in the series, and apart from some stories like The Crimson Fist or Templar, have never been in the thick of it. And even then, The Crimson Fist had them take massive losses and retreat by Dorn's orders. You're somehow complaining that the AL didn't completely trump the stars of the book, who desperately needed some big success of their own. What makes AL interesting is that they are one of top best military forces who achieve their victories through a detailed planning and execution. What BL authors have failed to show again and again is that they are a military force with tanks, Thunderhaws, APCes, etc.who can come and smash whatever they are fighting against and do it in choreographic and well rehearsed manner with zero or minimal losses. Instead we read all the time about "sneaky-sneaky" Alpha Legion who are so smart they have a finger dipped everywhere but get their arses kicked when it comes to walk the walk. So your entire point boils down to 'I want my favorite faction to be a bunch of Mary Sues'. top kek Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/324545-praetorian-of-dorn/page/11/#findComment-4487497 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mc warhammer Posted September 2, 2016 Share Posted September 2, 2016 That is very much down to how the AL operate, and what makes them interesting. They can do well enough in regular warfare, they're Space Marines after all - but their specialty is in covert ops and playing the long con. Their goals and methods are far more convoluted than those of other Legions. Most of their activities in the Heresy are trying to influence the course of history to their liking, nudging other forces here and there - that's a different type of victory, I give you that, but its not that they don't win. They win where it counts for their agenda. And even then, the stuff they pull off in Praetorian of Dorn is incredible, utterly brilliantly coordinated and all in character of the Legion. It seems also kinda ironic for an Alpha Legion fan to complain about their army not winning enough when this is the first real Imperial Fists book in the series, and apart from some stories like The Crimson Fist or Templar, have never been in the thick of it. And even then, The Crimson Fist had them take massive losses and retreat by Dorn's orders. You're somehow complaining that the AL didn't completely trump the stars of the book, who desperately needed some big success of their own. What makes AL interesting is that they are one of top best military forces who achieve their victories through a detailed planning and execution. What BL authors have failed to show again and again is that they are a military force with tanks, Thunderhaws, APCes, etc.who can come and smash whatever they are fighting against and do it in choreographic and well rehearsed manner with zero or minimal losses. Instead we read all the time about "sneaky-sneaky" Alpha Legion who are so smart they have a finger dipped everywhere but get their arses kicked when it comes to walk the walk. So your entire point boils down to 'I want my favorite faction to be a bunch of Mary Sues'. top kek tad unfair. his point boils down to the type of victory, ie the majority of the legion are still astartes warriors first and can win battles the old fashioned stomp-them-into-the-ground way. though i can understand why BL focused on the "specialist" angle as it was 1) popular and 2) an easy way to distinguish the legion from the others. i mean, the casual reader could be forgiven for thinking the TS were all sorcerers due to their particular focus in the fiction as well. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/324545-praetorian-of-dorn/page/11/#findComment-4487656 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarevok Posted September 2, 2016 Share Posted September 2, 2016 I think that one of the greatest things about John French is that he rarely if ever plays favoritism with a single faction. In Praetorian of Dorn I really enjoyed, both, his Imperial Fists and his Alpha Legion. Both legions were exemplary in their conduct in the book. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/324545-praetorian-of-dorn/page/11/#findComment-4487845 Share on other sites More sharing options...
rendingon1+ Posted September 2, 2016 Share Posted September 2, 2016 Heresy needs more Fafnir Rann. IMO he's one of the coolest (if not THE) IF. I enjoy the contrast between him and Sig. Hope they'll get another short story or wathever. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/324545-praetorian-of-dorn/page/11/#findComment-4487986 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother-serpent Tylydox Posted September 2, 2016 Share Posted September 2, 2016 You're entitled to think whatever you want, sure. But if you post "AL doesn't have a single clear and overwhelming victory in all BL/FW books", which is phrased much more as a statement of fact than opinion, in a public forum, don't be surprised if someone provides an example to the contrary This thread is about "Praetorian of Dorn" book and I don't want to hijack it for a big number of posts proving my point of view. That's why I decided to be short in my answer. Instead we read all the time about "sneaky-sneaky" Alpha Legion who are so smart they have a finger dipped everywhere but get their arses kicked when it comes to walk the walk. When has the AL had their butts kicked? Almost In every book about AL that has a major combat engagement of AL with somebody else including those where AL officially wins but at such a price it may as well be a failure. So your entire point boils down to 'I want my favorite faction to be a bunch of Mary Sues'. top Did you just quote two big paragraphs of answers just so you could post a one sentence of sarcasm? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/324545-praetorian-of-dorn/page/11/#findComment-4488088 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted September 2, 2016 Share Posted September 2, 2016 In this thread "swimming around" like a shark after blood is the guy that is going to kill my favourite caracther. Am I upset? Hella upset! RAWRRR But I have come to terms that it is the nature of the fluff. Just roll with the punches and enjoy the books for what they are. Works of fiction, meant to entertain and tell stories of dystopian lands and futures. Well I think the BT fans will have a heart attack if Abaddon beats Siggles like the red-headed step child he is ADB will be cursed to high heaven for daring to touch the wayward boy-child known as Sigismund. The complaints about how AL are treated in this book are a joke. The Legion with more plot armour that Tau. ADB will be the target of a most holy crusade if happens in an unworthy manner. I'll lead it myself. Sigismund is probably my favourite 40K character ever - at least in terms of his old, mythic lore. The idea of Sigsimund. This is going to hurt me as much as anyone. Are we talking Legatus' favorite old lore, or just founder of the Templars still on the great crusade old lore? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/324545-praetorian-of-dorn/page/11/#findComment-4488238 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarKnight Posted September 2, 2016 Share Posted September 2, 2016 Who was the person in the cell with Kye when he was recruited? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/324545-praetorian-of-dorn/page/11/#findComment-4488276 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheAlephNull Posted September 2, 2016 Share Posted September 2, 2016 Who was the person in the cell with Kye when he was recruited? Obviously, Omegon. Setting up his brother many years later. jk jk! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/324545-praetorian-of-dorn/page/11/#findComment-4488292 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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