Dhar'Neth Posted August 10, 2016 Share Posted August 10, 2016 Can I take Cerastus-Atrapos (or two) in War Machine Detachment? According to the new Legiones Astartes Red book there is nothing prohibiting it, however the red box in Atrapos profile (In book 6: Retribution) indicates that it "may be used either as part of a Mechanicum Taghmata army as LOW choice as normal or as a part of Questoris Knight Crusade Army as a 0-1 choice per 2000 points in the army" Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/324624-cerastus-knight-atrapos-in-war-machine-detachment/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
m0nolith Posted August 10, 2016 Share Posted August 10, 2016 Yes, you can now take a single knight including the Atrapos. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/324624-cerastus-knight-atrapos-in-war-machine-detachment/#findComment-4463338 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spinsanity Posted August 10, 2016 Share Posted August 10, 2016 This is open to interpretation, unfortunately... In the Mechanicum red book, it does say the Atrapos can be taken as a 0-1 per 2000pts in a Mechanicum or Knights army, which kinda implies it cannot be taken in any other... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/324624-cerastus-knight-atrapos-in-war-machine-detachment/#findComment-4463354 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caillum Posted August 10, 2016 Share Posted August 10, 2016 I brought this up earlier. No, you can't take an Atrapos in a Legion list, Solar Auxilia List, or Imperialis Militia list. In the rules for taking War Machine Detachments, it specifically says you can take Knights from the Questoris Knights army list. But the Atrapos entry (which is in the Questoris Knights army list) says it's only available to Mechanicum and Questoris Knights, and you must abide by that rule too. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/324624-cerastus-knight-atrapos-in-war-machine-detachment/#findComment-4463373 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guiltysparc Posted August 10, 2016 Share Posted August 10, 2016 Ya, we talked about this a bit in the world eaters tactica thread and came to the conclusion that if you want an atrapos to face smash with your legion you need to take an allied detachment. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/324624-cerastus-knight-atrapos-in-war-machine-detachment/#findComment-4463382 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dhar'Neth Posted August 10, 2016 Author Share Posted August 10, 2016 Seems so. Thanks! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/324624-cerastus-knight-atrapos-in-war-machine-detachment/#findComment-4463390 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted August 11, 2016 Share Posted August 11, 2016 So rules from one source circumventing another ? What if you don't have that book... How would you ever know. The implication being you must have every book now. Seems a bit muddled. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/324624-cerastus-knight-atrapos-in-war-machine-detachment/#findComment-4464872 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caillum Posted August 11, 2016 Share Posted August 11, 2016 So rules from one source circumventing another ? What if you don't have that book... How would you ever know. The implication being you must have every book now. Seems a bit muddled. You need the Crusade Imperialis book to run Questoris Knights anyway, so what's your point? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/324624-cerastus-knight-atrapos-in-war-machine-detachment/#findComment-4464908 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guiltysparc Posted August 12, 2016 Share Posted August 12, 2016 Ya you need every book to run every option since the legions can take mechanicum and knights. That doesn't seem muddled to me. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/324624-cerastus-knight-atrapos-in-war-machine-detachment/#findComment-4464921 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spinsanity Posted August 12, 2016 Share Posted August 12, 2016 So rules from one source circumventing another ? What if you don't have that book... How would you ever know. The implication being you must have every book now. Seems a bit muddled.As stated, if you want to field a knight you should at least have the rules for the knight. The Atrapos can be found in the Mechanicum Crusade Imperialis red book and uh, book 5 I think? Both, afaik, limit his use to 1 per 2000 in a Mech or Knights army right in the unit entry. So unless there's something I missed in the LA:AoDAL book, I don't think he'd fit... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/324624-cerastus-knight-atrapos-in-war-machine-detachment/#findComment-4464978 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted August 12, 2016 Share Posted August 12, 2016 Okay - thanks ! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/324624-cerastus-knight-atrapos-in-war-machine-detachment/#findComment-4465136 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sol_Invictus Posted August 13, 2016 Share Posted August 13, 2016 So rules from one source circumventing another ? What if you don't have that book... How would you ever know. The implication being you must have every book now. Seems a bit muddled.As stated, if you want to field a knight you should at least have the rules for the knight. The Atrapos can be found in the Mechanicum red book and uh, book 5 I think? Both, afaik, limit his use to 1 per 2000 in a Mech or Knights army right in the unit entry. So unless there's something I missed in the LA:AoDAL book, I don't think he'd fit... Just for clarification, the Atrapos is not in the Mechanicum red book or book 5, it's in book 6, Retribution. And it's entry says it can be taken as a Mechanicum Taghmata army LoW as normal or as part of a Questoris Knight army as a 0-1 choice per 2,000 points. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/324624-cerastus-knight-atrapos-in-war-machine-detachment/#findComment-4465857 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Blackwood Posted August 13, 2016 Share Posted August 13, 2016 Mechanicum Cerastus Knight - Atrapos Boxed Rule on the upper right of the entry page. " The Mechanicum Knight - Atrapos may be used either as a part of a Mechanicum Thagmata army as a Lords of War choice as normal, or as part of a Questoris Knight Crusade army as a 0-1 choice per 2,000 points in the army." The Horus Heresy Crusade Imperialis Army Lists Page 114 The rules for the Knight in question from the most updated source make it clear as to when you can and when you cannot take the night atleast from my reading. Suffice to say that if you are going to use a Knight - Atrapos you should have this entry on hand in order to appropriately field the Knight. While the War Machine detachment allows for knights from the Questoris Knight list to be taken , the Atrapos is a special case that disqualifies it from being used in this manner. The only way to Include a Knight Atrapos for minimal points would be to take an allied detachment consisting of the Atrapos and another Knight OR if you are playing traitors , the traitor Magos in the HQ slot and the Atrapos in the troop slot. It is my personal opinion that taking the Knight along with another one as an allied detachment is stronger than taking it in a warmachine detachment as you can slot the Atropos as your HQ and taking two Knight Chassis is better than taking one. But of course your mileage may Vary. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/324624-cerastus-knight-atrapos-in-war-machine-detachment/#findComment-4465895 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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