Canadian_F_H Posted August 25, 2016 Author Share Posted August 25, 2016 I could have sworn th ere was a bit about a section of a watch fortress full of gear from fallen or MIA watch membets and something about a black shield taking that gear when his watch ended... I'll look for it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/324763-deathwatch-black-shields/page/6/#findComment-4478665 Share on other sites More sharing options...
FerociousBeast Posted August 25, 2016 Share Posted August 25, 2016 The Deathwatch Core Rulebook mentions a Black Shield called Israfil who went on to become a Watch Commander and held the role for around thirty years. It's certainly not impossible but extremely unlikely. On the contrary, I'd imagine that Black Shields rising to positions of authority within the Deathwatch would be fairly common. After all, everyone else eventually goes home, but the Black Shields stick around and continue to gain experience and expertise. Just logic, I don't have any fluff to back me up. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/324763-deathwatch-black-shields/page/6/#findComment-4479209 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lysere Posted August 25, 2016 Share Posted August 25, 2016 The Deathwatch Core Rulebook mentions a Black Shield called Israfil who went on to become a Watch Commander and held the role for around thirty years. It's certainly not impossible but extremely unlikely. On the contrary, I'd imagine that Black Shields rising to positions of authority within the Deathwatch would be fairly common. After all, everyone else eventually goes home, but the Black Shields stick around and continue to gain experience and expertise. Just logic, I don't have any fluff to back me up. I think it's just a matter of will the blackshield live long enough to be able to take on such a role since they tend to take part in some of the more dangerous missions. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/324763-deathwatch-black-shields/page/6/#findComment-4479241 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacques Corbin Posted August 26, 2016 Share Posted August 26, 2016 Maybe if a Blackshield found his redemption, he would take up the Crozius and Skull Helmet of a Chaplain instead. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/324763-deathwatch-black-shields/page/6/#findComment-4480289 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareddm Posted August 26, 2016 Share Posted August 26, 2016 Maybe if a Blackshield found his redemption, he would take up the Crozius and Skull Helmet of a Chaplain instead. There are already Blackshield chaplains. Redemption not required. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/324763-deathwatch-black-shields/page/6/#findComment-4480312 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nomus Sardauk Posted August 26, 2016 Share Posted August 26, 2016 Maybe if a Blackshield found his redemption, he would take up the Crozius and Skull Helmet of a Chaplain instead. I think there was a named Blackshield Chaplain mentioned somewhere once... Aha! Found it, Brother Vigilant his name is. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/324763-deathwatch-black-shields/page/6/#findComment-4480323 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian_F_H Posted August 26, 2016 Author Share Posted August 26, 2016 Yeah, isn't that the one that is supposedly a cast away from the destruction of calliban? I think I saw somewhere about a DA DW member being suspicious of him. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/324763-deathwatch-black-shields/page/6/#findComment-4480688 Share on other sites More sharing options...
pompeyladbfp Posted August 26, 2016 Share Posted August 26, 2016 really looking forward to modelling up mine.. there will be a classic unforgiven looking dude, a guy with remnants of mk4 armour who even i dont know where he is from (he may even be a survivor of the the two redacted legions), and a lone survivor. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/324763-deathwatch-black-shields/page/6/#findComment-4480712 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareddm Posted August 26, 2016 Share Posted August 26, 2016 Yeah, isn't that the one that is supposedly a cast away from the destruction of calliban? I think I saw somewhere about a DA DW member being suspicious of him. You're thinking of Chaplain Titus Strome, a Blackshield who became a Deathwatch chaplain after serving for a time. Though he also bears indicators that he's actually a Son of Antaeus, rather than a Fallen. Brother Vigilant already was a chaplain before joining as a Blackshield. And it's Watch Captain Ramiel of the Dark Angels who is after Titus Strome, though that's because Captain Ramiel literally travels from Watch Fortress to Watch Fortress, trying to uncover the truth of EVERY Blackshield, in the hope that one of them is secretly a Fallen. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/324763-deathwatch-black-shields/page/6/#findComment-4480729 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacques Corbin Posted August 26, 2016 Share Posted August 26, 2016 Ooooooo what is the source material for Watch Captain Ramiel?! That is DEFINITELY some Inner Circle :cuss right there! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/324763-deathwatch-black-shields/page/6/#findComment-4480853 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareddm Posted August 26, 2016 Share Posted August 26, 2016 Ooooooo what is the source material for Watch Captain Ramiel?! That is DEFINITELY some Inner Circle right there! Deathwatch: Rites of Battle, page 236 However, he disappeared while on a mission in 787.M41, leaving behind a gene-coded casket in his quarters that can only be opened by one of Dark Angel lineage. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/324763-deathwatch-black-shields/page/6/#findComment-4480896 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacques Corbin Posted August 26, 2016 Share Posted August 26, 2016 Thank you! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/324763-deathwatch-black-shields/page/6/#findComment-4480908 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grantyr Greymantle Posted September 3, 2016 Share Posted September 3, 2016 I have a more practical question… Say I want to put a Black Shield in my Kill Team (40K regular Kill Team, not Deathwatch Kill Team). Say I want to model him like the Black Shield Veteran armed with power swords that comes in the Deathwatch Kill Team box from GW. How many points would that model be? "Base" Deathwatch Veteran - 22 pts Upgrade to a Black Shield - 15 pts 2 Power Swords - 15 pts each 22 +15 +15 + 15 = 67 pts? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/324763-deathwatch-black-shields/page/6/#findComment-4489135 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apostle of the 30th Host Posted September 3, 2016 Share Posted September 3, 2016 I have a more practical question… Say I want to put a Black Shield in my Kill Team (40K regular Kill Team, not Deathwatch Kill Team). Say I want to model him like the Black Shield Veteran armed with power swords that comes in the Deathwatch Kill Team box from GW. How many points would that model be? "Base" Deathwatch Veteran - 22 pts Upgrade to a Black Shield - 15 pts 2 Power Swords - 15 pts each 22 +15 +15 + 15 = 67 pts? Yes, that is right (although a mod may ask you to remove individual points costs here - but you are totally correct). Just a quick note however: it makes no difference in terms of gameplay if he has 2 Power Swords or a Power Sword and Close Combat Weapon - in both cases you get +1 attack for 2 CCW's and in both cases you use the Power Sword profile to attack with. By all means, model him with two as it looks cool, but what I'm suggesting is only pay for one, and say the other is a standard close combat weapon as it drops his cost to 52 and you lose nothing for those points. If I was your opponent I would have no problem with that - building cool models is most important to me so as long as I knew what it was you were doing its fine. Especially as rules wise two power swords is pointless as you only gain +1 attack. So save 15 points and have the other sword count as a close combat weapon!! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/324763-deathwatch-black-shields/page/6/#findComment-4489179 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Sefiel Posted September 3, 2016 Share Posted September 3, 2016 Hello You're thinking of Chaplain Titus Strome, a Blackshield who became a Deathwatch chaplain after serving for a time. Though he also bears indicators that he's actually a Son of Antaeus, rather than a Fallen. That's interesting. What evidence is there? Please PM me if it is something that will spoil the plot for players. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/324763-deathwatch-black-shields/page/6/#findComment-4489277 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vel'Cona Posted September 4, 2016 Share Posted September 4, 2016 By all means, model him with two as it looks cool, but what I'm suggesting is only pay for one, and say the other is a standard close combat weapon as it drops his cost to 52 and you lose nothing for those points.If I was your opponent I would have no problem with that - building cool models is most important to me so as long as I knew what it was you were doing its fine. Especially as rules wise two power swords is pointless as you only gain +1 attack. So save 15 points and have the other sword count as a close combat weapon!! Or give him a power sword and a power axe, and pick the one you need for the situation. Though personally I agree that one or the other is probably better. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/324763-deathwatch-black-shields/page/6/#findComment-4489395 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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