olsol Posted August 16, 2016 Share Posted August 16, 2016 When running legion veterans with the marksman special add on for their veteran skill, they gain the sniper special rule for their ranged weapons. Does this mean that things like missile launchers and heavy bolsters wound on a 4+ even if it is against MEQ's?? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/324818-sniper-special-rule-high-strength-weapons/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted August 16, 2016 Share Posted August 16, 2016 The FAQ Answers your question: Are Tactical Veterans with the Sniper special rule now restricted to wounding on a 4+ if they take a meltagun, instead of its usual 2+? The wording of the Sniper special rule changed in 7th edition, and should be used as it is now shown in the 7th edition Warhammer 40,000 rulebook. However, if a model is making a shooting attack, if they would normally need less than a 4+ to wound thanks to their weapon’s Strength, the better To Wound roll is still used in games played with the Horus Heresy army lists, and if the weapon they are using has a superior AP value, that AP value is still used. In this example, a meltagun fired by a Tactical Veteran with the Sniper special rule still only needs a 2+ to wound against a target with Toughness 4, and uses its AP 1 regardless. Other special rules for the weapon they are using remain unchanged. https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/resources/fw_site/fw_pdfs/Horus_Heresy/Horus_Heresy_7th_Edition.pdf Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/324818-sniper-special-rule-high-strength-weapons/#findComment-4470044 Share on other sites More sharing options...
olsol Posted August 17, 2016 Author Share Posted August 17, 2016 Thanks M8!! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/324818-sniper-special-rule-high-strength-weapons/#findComment-4470056 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blindhamster Posted August 17, 2016 Share Posted August 17, 2016 But their strength is still counted as 3 (or 4?) When targeting armour Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/324818-sniper-special-rule-high-strength-weapons/#findComment-4470776 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terminus Posted August 17, 2016 Share Posted August 17, 2016 Nah, I think we can surmise you use the weapon's properties against armor too. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/324818-sniper-special-rule-high-strength-weapons/#findComment-4470844 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted August 17, 2016 Share Posted August 17, 2016 FW have answered this before. You still count the weapon strength as normal if Sniper is not required. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/324818-sniper-special-rule-high-strength-weapons/#findComment-4470994 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blindhamster Posted August 24, 2016 Share Posted August 24, 2016 i had this arguement before, I think RAI you're correct and we should use the weapons strength vs armour too. HOWEVER RAW you can't, it covers rolling to wound but at no time ever mentions armour penatration which are two very distinct things. (I have used veterans with the sniper rule and specifically tell me i couldnt make much use of melta guns/missile launchers for the above reason, so if anyone can provide a quote that proves otherwise, please do as it'd be useful to me too!) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/324818-sniper-special-rule-high-strength-weapons/#findComment-4477963 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted August 24, 2016 Share Posted August 24, 2016 So.... You are saying that people made you count your Meltagun's Str as 4 when targetting AV? That is really low and against the spirit of everything... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/324818-sniper-special-rule-high-strength-weapons/#findComment-4478022 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terminus Posted August 24, 2016 Share Posted August 24, 2016 If that's the case, rather than provide you a quote, I would suggest you find better friends! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/324818-sniper-special-rule-high-strength-weapons/#findComment-4478068 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted August 24, 2016 Share Posted August 24, 2016 Yeah, probably find some better peeps to game with. Being a Sniper and thus being able to aim better than an average joe somehow makes your gun not hit as hard? What? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/324818-sniper-special-rule-high-strength-weapons/#findComment-4478129 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obscura Posted August 25, 2016 Share Posted August 25, 2016 Blindhamster, you need better friends if they're going to nickel and dime you to death like that. I've had good luck with combining Sniper and Missile Launchers. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/324818-sniper-special-rule-high-strength-weapons/#findComment-4478673 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted August 25, 2016 Share Posted August 25, 2016 Forgeworld literally answered this in an FAQ I think, an older one. We can always ask them again. I guess if worst comes to pass, I'll just use the +1 Str against armour. Str8 plasmas can definitely be a worry. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/324818-sniper-special-rule-high-strength-weapons/#findComment-4478841 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted August 25, 2016 Share Posted August 25, 2016 https://m.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1376547422373824&id=100000557383657&set=o.257094630974491 There's a photo from FAQ and have asked FW to clarify weapons against AV targets. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/324818-sniper-special-rule-high-strength-weapons/#findComment-4478882 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blindhamster Posted August 25, 2016 Share Posted August 25, 2016 Nice one guys. It was a go to option for my veterans tbh Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/324818-sniper-special-rule-high-strength-weapons/#findComment-4479245 Share on other sites More sharing options...
olsol Posted August 27, 2016 Author Share Posted August 27, 2016 https://m.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1376547422373824&id=100000557383657&set=o.257094630974491 There's a photo from FAQ and have asked FW to clarify weapons against AV targets. They've replied to your post!! Nice to see that it's all cleared up! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/324818-sniper-special-rule-high-strength-weapons/#findComment-4481152 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 Ah yes. So, we can now be sure of the intent behind the rule :-) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/324818-sniper-special-rule-high-strength-weapons/#findComment-4481196 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terminus Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 Ironically they show just how dumb the people are who answer these questions. They clearly misunderstood the point of the question because they say "vehicles aren't mentioned", which is the whole problem, rather than the supposed solution they see. They basically say "well the rule doesn't allow vehicles, so we don't see why vehicles wouldn't be allowed". Brain-dead morons, every one of them. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/324818-sniper-special-rule-high-strength-weapons/#findComment-4481726 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spinsanity Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 Terminus, I think the problem is not that they're morons, just that poorly worded questions, which skirt the uncertainty without explaining what needs clarification is the main cause. Here someone asked what happens to hits against AV without pointing out that the rules for sniper says they hit at S4, hence the stupid answer. Recently we had the issue regarding Burning Retros which asked which - the pod or the dread - the question referred to, which was the dread, but failing to mention the uncertainty whether the rule applied when the dread remained inside or when it dropped out. Sure the answers sometimes are stupid, but a proper question would go a long way... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/324818-sniper-special-rule-high-strength-weapons/#findComment-4481851 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terminus Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 So basically we're all stupid and should just eat our collections until we die of resin, glue and paint overdose. :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/324818-sniper-special-rule-high-strength-weapons/#findComment-4481875 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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