appiah4 Posted August 18, 2016 Share Posted August 18, 2016 There are not nearly enough Frag Cannons in the kits anywhere so I'm looking at third party alternatives to fill in the blanks. I've been scouring the internet for a while, and these are the only two possible alternatives I've found. I'm really looking forward to other people's ideas.. Anvil Industries Widow Maker SAW http://anvilindustry.co.uk/image/cache/data/a-new/rifles_pistols/heavywidow3ebay-400x400.jpg Might need a barrel replacement Grey Knight Psycannon from the Grey Knight Strike Team Box: http://www.bitzbox.co.uk/images/grey_knights_squad_psycannon_large.jpg Ammo casing isn't a great fit.. Is there anything that would look better? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/324854-firstthird-party-alternatives-for-deathwatch-frag-cannons/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
unerde Posted August 18, 2016 Share Posted August 18, 2016 I have done mine with Psylencers and Psycannons. Then they're just other Patterns Fragcannons :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/324854-firstthird-party-alternatives-for-deathwatch-frag-cannons/#findComment-4471223 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted August 18, 2016 Share Posted August 18, 2016 Theres also some FW Heavy Weapons that might fit the bill with little to no extra work needed: https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-US/Proteus-II-Pattern-Missile-Launchers-Set https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-US/Mars-Pattern-Heavy-Bolters-Set https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-US/Kalibrax-Pattern-Autocannon-Set Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/324854-firstthird-party-alternatives-for-deathwatch-frag-cannons/#findComment-4471227 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quixus Posted August 18, 2016 Share Posted August 18, 2016 I've just seen this: http://images2.sw-cdn.net/product/picture/625x465_15416026_9122417_1471456663.jpg on shapeways. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/324854-firstthird-party-alternatives-for-deathwatch-frag-cannons/#findComment-4471240 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reyner Posted August 18, 2016 Share Posted August 18, 2016 $25 for three?! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/324854-firstthird-party-alternatives-for-deathwatch-frag-cannons/#findComment-4471250 Share on other sites More sharing options...
appiah4 Posted August 18, 2016 Author Share Posted August 18, 2016 $25 for three?! Also includes the backpack and is 3D printed so the price is fair for what it is, but I think the cheaper alternatives will do just fine. I'm really keen on grabbing four of the Anvil Industries Widowmaker.. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/324854-firstthird-party-alternatives-for-deathwatch-frag-cannons/#findComment-4471252 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reyner Posted August 18, 2016 Share Posted August 18, 2016 The Widowmakers look very cool to be fair. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/324854-firstthird-party-alternatives-for-deathwatch-frag-cannons/#findComment-4471278 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vel'Cona Posted August 18, 2016 Share Posted August 18, 2016 Agreed, the Widowmakers are selling it for me. Between the price and the look that seems to be the superior option. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/324854-firstthird-party-alternatives-for-deathwatch-frag-cannons/#findComment-4471492 Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildweasel Posted August 18, 2016 Share Posted August 18, 2016 I'm going to be using these volkites: https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-US/Telerac-Pattern-Volkite-Culverins-Set Archeotech beam weapons with dispersed and focused settings! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/324854-firstthird-party-alternatives-for-deathwatch-frag-cannons/#findComment-4471505 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irbis Posted August 18, 2016 Share Posted August 18, 2016 The Widowmakers look very cool to be fair. It's puny though. Barely larger than a bolter, never mind heavy bolter or the bulk of real frag cannon. It's about as big size difference as between chaos bolt pistol and heavy bolter (yes, chaos HB is very small)... Ditto for FW or GK guns, none of them looks even remotely close to frag (or if they do, it's clear they are something else), or has as big ammunition/barrel. The only thing from GW that could pass for frag cannon, IMHO, and that after bulking up the front somehow with the huge muzzle brake equivalent, is this gun from Calth: http://twentyfirstlegion.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/12/2016/02/image11-e1456698230596.jpg All you need is bulking up the barrel, power cable running to backpack, done, something that doesn't look lazy or out of place EDIT: Culverin from last post could work, too, at least it's not something commonly found on battlefields of 40K desperately trying to pass for something else Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/324854-firstthird-party-alternatives-for-deathwatch-frag-cannons/#findComment-4471510 Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildweasel Posted August 18, 2016 Share Posted August 18, 2016 Exactly - it's very distinctive, and owns the rule of cool. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/324854-firstthird-party-alternatives-for-deathwatch-frag-cannons/#findComment-4471517 Share on other sites More sharing options...
old git Posted August 18, 2016 Share Posted August 18, 2016 Kromlech will be all over it very soon I expect. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/324854-firstthird-party-alternatives-for-deathwatch-frag-cannons/#findComment-4471565 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Sheol Posted August 18, 2016 Share Posted August 18, 2016 I think that now a very good source for the frag cannon is to modify a Sternguard HB... Scouts HB can work too... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/324854-firstthird-party-alternatives-for-deathwatch-frag-cannons/#findComment-4471584 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indefragable Posted August 18, 2016 Share Posted August 18, 2016 The Widow Maker actually looks pretty cool to me. I think a touch of colored paint on the tips of the shells could make all the difference (Blue for the Shred Template, Red for the S9 AP2 one, etc....). paint the ones on the belt going into the weapon one color and the ones on a bandolier a different color. Do they sell extra bandoliers? I want to make Watch Sgt Ionus Ramboicus covered in them Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/324854-firstthird-party-alternatives-for-deathwatch-frag-cannons/#findComment-4471596 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Cohort Posted August 18, 2016 Share Posted August 18, 2016 The widow maker is really cool, having loose ammo strips may not be tactically sound, but it looks bad ass. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/324854-firstthird-party-alternatives-for-deathwatch-frag-cannons/#findComment-4471610 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spinsanity Posted August 18, 2016 Share Posted August 18, 2016 I'm pretty sure a converted FW Autocannon, with shortened barrel, would look perfect. With limited options while at work, only option I have that lets me share my "shopped" idea is this... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/324854-firstthird-party-alternatives-for-deathwatch-frag-cannons/#findComment-4471626 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machine God Posted August 18, 2016 Share Posted August 18, 2016 Ogryn Ripperguns? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/324854-firstthird-party-alternatives-for-deathwatch-frag-cannons/#findComment-4471722 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indefragable Posted August 19, 2016 Share Posted August 19, 2016 Ogryn Ripperguns? I have a couple Ogryns and their RipperGuns would be a bit off in terms of scale. The ripper itself is almost the size of a SM tactical. Sure the oversized ammo drum and barrel could be kitbashed onto something, but as the primary platform, it would look very GI Joe-ish. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/324854-firstthird-party-alternatives-for-deathwatch-frag-cannons/#findComment-4472636 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vel'Cona Posted August 19, 2016 Share Posted August 19, 2016 Just ordered a pile of Widowmaker S.A.W.s; I'll let you guys know how they work out. Gotta say, for what I spent I got a heck of a deal compared to trying to buy the frag cannons from bit stores! BIG UPDATE: Just got this in the e-mail from a cool dude at Anvil Industry! http://anvilindustry.co.uk/The-Armoury/Heavy-Weapons/frag-launcher-grenade-cannon-heavy-weapon Looks like they were paying attention to the big C:DW release! Note that this includes two ammo boxes and an optional flash suppressor/barrel extension, too! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/324854-firstthird-party-alternatives-for-deathwatch-frag-cannons/#findComment-4472674 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quixus Posted August 19, 2016 Share Posted August 19, 2016 I'm pretty sure a converted FW Autocannon, with shortened barrel, would look perfect. With limited options while at work, only option I have that lets me share my "shopped" idea is this... If you are cutting barrels, maybe the same treatment for these autocannons would be an alternative. don't know enough photoshop to make a prediction how it would look and I like mine as they are. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/324854-firstthird-party-alternatives-for-deathwatch-frag-cannons/#findComment-4472728 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Cohort Posted August 19, 2016 Share Posted August 19, 2016 Just ordered a pile of Widowmaker S.A.W.s; I'll let you guys know how they work out. Gotta say, for what I spent I got a heck of a deal compared to trying to buy the frag cannons from bit stores! BIG UPDATE: Just got this in the e-mail from a cool dude at Anvil Industry! http://anvilindustry.co.uk/The-Armoury/Heavy-Weapons/frag-launcher-grenade-cannon-heavy-weapon Looks like they were paying attention to the big C:DW release! Note that this includes two ammo boxes and an optional flash suppressor/barrel extension, too! Any photos once you are done converting your guys would be appreciated. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/324854-firstthird-party-alternatives-for-deathwatch-frag-cannons/#findComment-4472768 Share on other sites More sharing options...
appiah4 Posted August 19, 2016 Author Share Posted August 19, 2016 Just ordered a pile of Widowmaker S.A.W.s; I'll let you guys know how they work out. Gotta say, for what I spent I got a heck of a deal compared to trying to buy the frag cannons from bit stores! BIG UPDATE: Just got this in the e-mail from a cool dude at Anvil Industry! http://anvilindustry.co.uk/The-Armoury/Heavy-Weapons/frag-launcher-grenade-cannon-heavy-weapon Looks like they were paying attention to the big C:DW release! Note that this includes two ammo boxes and an optional flash suppressor/barrel extension, too! Any photos once you are done converting your guys would be appreciated. Yes please Im also about to order some. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/324854-firstthird-party-alternatives-for-deathwatch-frag-cannons/#findComment-4472771 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Sheol Posted August 19, 2016 Share Posted August 19, 2016 Yes... the Anvil frag cannon is simply perfect! http://anvilindustry.co.uk/image/cache/catalog/Anvil/Weapons/Frag%20Launcher/FragCannonRender-400x400.jpg Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/324854-firstthird-party-alternatives-for-deathwatch-frag-cannons/#findComment-4472788 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quixus Posted August 19, 2016 Share Posted August 19, 2016 Wow, I was too late, no more need to shorten the barrels of the AI autocannons. The weapon looks great, I only wonder why Joel and his guys didn't go for the "bit ends at the right wrist" design that is so popular since the latest tactical squad. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/324854-firstthird-party-alternatives-for-deathwatch-frag-cannons/#findComment-4472811 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vel'Cona Posted August 19, 2016 Share Posted August 19, 2016 Well, I appreciate that they don't have to follow GW's design aesthetic. Interestingly, the choice to go for an ammo box means that you won't have big honking backpacks on Veterans carrying these; for me, this is a plus but some may prefer the large "ammo pack" style that GW does. In either case, I'll have these reasonably soon so I'll post some pre-assembly, full assembled and then painted pics when I have them. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/324854-firstthird-party-alternatives-for-deathwatch-frag-cannons/#findComment-4472893 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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